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Which Non-Korea Nation has the best pro lineup? - Page 25

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unlmtd
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany76 Posts
December 28 2011 14:22 GMT
#481
Sweden, Ukraine, Germany
Try again. Fail again. Fail Better. | viOlet fighting :)
Jombozeus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
China1014 Posts
December 28 2011 14:24 GMT
#482
I'm going to say that Sweden, China and Ukraine in the first tier where there might be differences in skill, but can all potentially take out each other in a BO9.

The second tier is Canada, US, Poland, Taiwan, and France. Again, probably able to take each other out in a BO9. These countries can probably also take out the first tier on a good day.

China and Taiwan are currently very separated from the "foreign" scene, so this may not be totally accurate. My guess is mostly on anecdotal evidence from myself, others, the few international competitions involving China/Taiwan, but mostly on the Korean ladder ranking of known Chinese players/players with simplified or traditional Chinese names.
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
December 28 2011 14:24 GMT
#483
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
December 28 2011 14:26 GMT
#484
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?

what about Huk and select? You can count Huk as both, US and Canadian and Select as US and Korean
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 14:43:39
December 28 2011 14:26 GMT
#485
My top 10:

1) Sweden
2) Ukrain
3) China
4) Poland
5) Canada
6) Germany
7) France
6) Russia
7) USA
8) Italy ( only one player LOL )
9) Netherland
10) Spain

On December 28 2011 23:26 Hardigan wrote:
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On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?

what about Huk and select? You can count Huk as both, US and Canadian and Select as US and Korean


NO, Select is not american. Same for HuK.


edit:

On December 28 2011 23:42 BlitzerSC wrote:
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On December 28 2011 23:40 plouer wrote:
OMG

you can't put incontrol a in a list of great player like stephano or Idra

he is a important member of the community but that's all

american have some good player like idra and sheth, very nice streamer like destiny, but many of them are really overated
Incontrol is one of the best exemple.

and for the top 10 i would put netherland higher with grubby and ret who both play really really good


Yeah, I completly forgot about Ret. To be honest i don't think that Grubby is better than ClouD but Ret is !

Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
December 28 2011 14:26 GMT
#486
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?
MoMan and Adelscott too. And tbfh you'd not even bring QXC to a top american team list, if you wanted best terran.
#freeshauni
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 14:29:42
December 28 2011 14:27 GMT
#487
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?


Tons of other french players?

(Wiki)Adelscott

(Wiki)MoMaN

(Wiki)SarenS

Edit: That was to justify the french. That being said both nations have quite a bit of 'good' players - but in the aspect of great players I think both countries can only manage 2-4 players, while e.g. Sweden can line quite a bit more.

(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
December 28 2011 14:27 GMT
#488
Ukraine the Motherland. After Sweden, sadly.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 14:28:18
December 28 2011 14:28 GMT
#489
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?


Stephano, tod, adelscott, sarens, moman are pretty damn good. You listed tyler I see... should have listed incontrol too then
KriptoKnight
Profile Joined September 2011
United States6 Posts
December 28 2011 14:37 GMT
#490
(Z)MoMaN? really?
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
December 28 2011 14:38 GMT
#491
1) China (Xiaot, Xigua, Lovecd, Lovett, F91... this list is far too good to be compared with any other country)
2) Sweden (Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, Sase, Sjow, Naugrim, Lalush, Merz, Bischu)
3) Ukraine (Kas, Dimaga, Whitera, Strelok, HappyZerg, Bly)

Definitely in this order. Chinese players, while few are far too skilled to be beaten by any european/american lineup. Sweden players definitely come second with powerhouses like morrow/sase/thorzain/naniwa. After that my pick would go to the eastern europeaners like kas, dimaga, whitera, strelok.

france is possibly #4 with adelscott/stephano/tod/moman/sarens/carn.
"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
December 28 2011 14:38 GMT
#492
On December 28 2011 23:27 Mentalizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?


Tons of other french players?

(Wiki)Adelscott

(Wiki)MoMaN

(Wiki)SarenS

Edit: That was to justify the french. That being said both nations have quite a bit of 'good' players - but in the aspect of great players I think both countries can only manage 2-4 players, while e.g. Sweden can line quite a bit more.


France also got SarenS
Holy check.
plouer
Profile Joined October 2011
France32 Posts
December 28 2011 14:40 GMT
#493
OMG

you can't put incontrol a in a list of great player like stephano or Idra

he is a important member of the community but that's all

american have some good player like idra and sheth, very nice streamer like destiny, but many of them are really overated
Incontrol is one of the best exemple.

and for the top 10 i would put netherland higher with grubby and ret who both play really really good
swordboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada299 Posts
December 28 2011 14:41 GMT
#494
Sweden without a doubt.
MarineKing | ThorZaIN | IMMvp | MMA | Sase | Sen | Kas
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
December 28 2011 14:42 GMT
#495
The swedish powerhouse is godlike.
Mo0Rauder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada182 Posts
December 28 2011 14:42 GMT
#496
Well Kiwi has the most money, if that counts


but it's all from poker... somewhere around $200,000 someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I would say for my top 5 in no particular order:
Ukraine
Sweden
Canada
China
Germany
All work or all play? Nive to five? Or, five to nine?
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
December 28 2011 14:42 GMT
#497
On December 28 2011 23:40 plouer wrote:
OMG

you can't put incontrol a in a list of great player like stephano or Idra

he is a important member of the community but that's all

american have some good player like idra and sheth, very nice streamer like destiny, but many of them are really overated
Incontrol is one of the best exemple.

and for the top 10 i would put netherland higher with grubby and ret who both play really really good


Yeah, I completly forgot about Ret. To be honest i don't think that Grubby is better than ClouD but Ret is !
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
December 28 2011 14:43 GMT
#498
Sweden, Ukraine, USA, Germany
Evil Geniuses<3
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
December 28 2011 14:48 GMT
#499
On December 28 2011 23:28 Ryps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote:
On December 28 2011 23:21 mki wrote:
Sweden by far

I'm truly shocked that people are ranking the US so highly.

France, Ukraine, Germany, Poland all outclass the US in my eyes pretty convincingly.


How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on?


Stephano, tod, adelscott, sarens, moman are pretty damn good. You listed tyler I see... should have listed incontrol too then



I too would rate France over the US for sure. Idra, qxc and Sheth are probably the only ones worth mentioning. tyler/incontrol have totally failed in 2012. I would put stephano/tod/adelscott/sarens/carn/moman over idra/sheth/qxc/tyler/incontrol/destiny. Others may differ, but thats definitely my opinion.
"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 15:15:50
December 28 2011 14:49 GMT
#500
Sweden has a lot of talent in Sc2 so far. Ukraine also has a beasty lineup. I think Germany takes third place but Sweden has a lot of talent. Even though I'm from Sweden and it may sound biased but we have a lot of good players here in Sweden...

Thorzain, Naniwa, Sjow, Sase, Merz, MorroW, Jinro, Haypro, Bischu, Cytoplasm, Naugrim

and some lesser Swedish players (still good though)

Lalush, Seiplo, Runa, Forsen
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