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Which Non-Korea Nation has the best pro lineup? - Page 17

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Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
May 09 2011 07:04 GMT
#321
Sweden or Ukraine.

Canada's up there, but not on top.
Jaedong plz
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 07:09:27
May 09 2011 07:07 GMT
#322
On May 09 2011 16:03 SweetAs wrote:
Ukraine.

Best toss, best Zerg, and some pretty damn good terrans.


Naniwa>Whitera, at least right now. Dimaga has showed way to little results/achievements to be considered the best european Zerg, id say Ret probably holds that title. Beating Nestea in one series doesnt suddenly make you a Bonjwa
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
May 09 2011 07:11 GMT
#323
Sweden is probably the best. Ukraine, Germany and Canada are all stacked too. Lots of great Russians as well.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 09 2011 07:13 GMT
#324
I have been afraid of opening this thread being afraid that it would turn into another flame war. Pleasantly surprised.

Banelings are too cute to blow up
bugabinga
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany17 Posts
May 09 2011 07:19 GMT
#325
Europe ,baby!
No need to divide, we are one ^^
Mass Orbital, hard counter to Charge!
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
May 09 2011 07:25 GMT
#326
I would probably say:
Sweden
Ukraine
Germany
God is dead.
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
May 09 2011 07:31 GMT
#327
Sweden or Ukraine.
Russia has some good players too, but we don't see them very often
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 07:33:34
May 09 2011 07:31 GMT
#328
On May 09 2011 10:29 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 10:14 Widz wrote:
US got tons of player but do they have any really good ones? Idra and Select then what?

Edit: Wait Select is Korean

The US has far more players in the Top 100 ELO in TLPD than Sweden. ThorZain and Naniwa are killing it right now, but MorroW is not what he used to be, and Sjow is no better than [insert random NA player here] in his current form right now.

Sheth, IdrA, Kawaiirice, Tyler, qxc, Response; but Sweden has others like Sase as well.

The real 'numbers' country is Canada, afaik they have the most players in the Top 100 ELO atm, but no real superstar.

As for my opinion, I think China, Ukraine, USA, Sweden, Canada, and Germany are the top countries.


Gotta take into account that sweden has roughly 9 million citizens, whereas the US has close to 300 million?

Edit: USA has 311,314,000 (May 9, 2011), Sweden has 9,422,661 (February 28, 2011)
God is dead.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
May 09 2011 07:32 GMT
#329
China and Chinese Taipei will prove you all wrong at WCG.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Xerrea
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark41 Posts
May 09 2011 07:34 GMT
#330
Denmark for sure! we got like... Ciara and Joe!!!
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 09 2011 07:36 GMT
#331
In terms of number of players who realistically could win Dreamhack/MLG/Assembly/NASL standard tournaments you'd have to go with Sweden followed by Ukraine with Germany/Canada/USA following. Pointless imo to discuss players below that level as contributing to their nations status for this discussion.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
May 09 2011 07:36 GMT
#332
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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
May 09 2011 07:43 GMT
#333
On May 09 2011 16:31 Rabbitmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 10:29 mikyaJ wrote:
On May 09 2011 10:14 Widz wrote:
US got tons of player but do they have any really good ones? Idra and Select then what?

Edit: Wait Select is Korean

The US has far more players in the Top 100 ELO in TLPD than Sweden. ThorZain and Naniwa are killing it right now, but MorroW is not what he used to be, and Sjow is no better than [insert random NA player here] in his current form right now.

Sheth, IdrA, Kawaiirice, Tyler, qxc, Response; but Sweden has others like Sase as well.

The real 'numbers' country is Canada, afaik they have the most players in the Top 100 ELO atm, but no real superstar.

As for my opinion, I think China, Ukraine, USA, Sweden, Canada, and Germany are the top countries.


Gotta take into account that sweden has roughly 9 million citizens, whereas the US has close to 300 million?

Edit: USA has 311,314,000 (May 9, 2011), Sweden has 9,422,661 (February 28, 2011)

Sweden has also earned the most price money outside of Korea.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 09 2011 07:43 GMT
#334
Sweden and Ukraine are 100% on top. Probably sweden #1 though.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 09 2011 07:45 GMT
#335
On May 09 2011 16:31 Rabbitmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 10:29 mikyaJ wrote:
On May 09 2011 10:14 Widz wrote:
US got tons of player but do they have any really good ones? Idra and Select then what?

Edit: Wait Select is Korean

The US has far more players in the Top 100 ELO in TLPD than Sweden. ThorZain and Naniwa are killing it right now, but MorroW is not what he used to be, and Sjow is no better than [insert random NA player here] in his current form right now.

Sheth, IdrA, Kawaiirice, Tyler, qxc, Response; but Sweden has others like Sase as well.

The real 'numbers' country is Canada, afaik they have the most players in the Top 100 ELO atm, but no real superstar.

As for my opinion, I think China, Ukraine, USA, Sweden, Canada, and Germany are the top countries.


Gotta take into account that sweden has roughly 9 million citizens, whereas the US has close to 300 million?

Edit: USA has 311,314,000 (May 9, 2011), Sweden has 9,422,661 (February 28, 2011)

Population isn't that important. More important is what % of that population is heavily into esports. You'll find that esports as a whole is much more popular in Sweden than in NA. While yes US will still probably have more people overall, the difference isn't as large as the two population differences will make it seem.
Fates
Profile Joined June 2010
United States91 Posts
May 09 2011 07:51 GMT
#336
I'd say Sweden as well.

Sweden's Terran is especially terrifying.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
May 09 2011 07:51 GMT
#337
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towel
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden156 Posts
May 09 2011 07:52 GMT
#338
sweden is so smug i want to puke
"Sir we are surrounded! - Exelent, then we can attack in every direction!"
Namakaye
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia114 Posts
May 09 2011 07:54 GMT
#339
IMO Ukraine has the best. Who can argue that when Dimaga and White-ra came form Ukraine?
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
May 09 2011 07:54 GMT
#340
Sweden and Ukraine. The Americans dont even come close to the Europeans at the moment.
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
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