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We are proud to announce a new member for our StarCraft 2 team: Marcus "ThorZaIN" Eklöf.
ThorZaIN boosts our current lineup as another strong Terran player. From now, he carries the tag of Mousesports and will give his debut in the mouz-dress tomorrow in a tournament at Inferno Online.
News & Statement: http://www.mousesports.com/en/news/9997/
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Congrats to ThorZaIN and mouz for gaining a really good player; very good for both in my opinion!
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Thorzain Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Congrats ThorZain. Sick pickup by Mouz. Looking forward to what you got in store for us fans
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Wow, nice! Grats on signing him!
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gratz Mouz and gratz Thorzain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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wow . good call on that one mousesports! applauds
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gratz thorzain, also mouz lineup just got immensly strong now
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Grats Thorzain and Mouz!!
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very good pick
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you should've made it in english ((
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Wow news wasn't a lame duck. Congratz Thorzain
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Congrats mouz and Thorzain. Now I want to see a mouz TSL final!
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Good pick up for mouz. Hopefully thorzain's online results will translate into lan wins now.
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Oh really, wow, gratz ThorZain! Poor NightEnd though, might get lonely
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Love to see him in a team league.
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Congratulations! I look forward to see ThorZaIN at more events in the future!
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Nice job mouz! Looking forward to the team's future endeavours!
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Awesome pick indeed.... ThorZain's been doin work
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Great pick up by Mouz and congrats to Thorzain.
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For the lazy people:
Marcus "ThorZaIN" Eklöf I'm officially teaming up with team mousesports, which will be a big step in my gaming carreer. Already since wc3 I wanted to play in one of the bigger teams in e-Sports, and now I'm getting the chance to be a part of such a team. I will be participating in a lot more tournaments in the future, both online and offline, to show that my TSL run wasn't a fluke. And I'm happy that mousesports is willing to support me in that. I believe that mousesports will become an even bigger name in the SC2-community in the near future and I hope to be a part of that. I would like to thank mousesports and all it's sponsors: Home of Hardware (hoh.de), GeIL, MEDION, Intel, Razer and Sansibar for making this possible, and also thank my former clan Praetoriani for a great time without any problems whatsoever. Expect a lot from me and mousesports in the future!
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Gratz to Thorzain and Mousesports.
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Gratz to both.
Kinda funny though, JF 2.0, anyone?
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
Poor Praetoriani T_T, grats to Mouz though!
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Congratz :D! ThorZaIN is so awesome !
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On May 08 2011 05:14 zende wrote:you should've made it in english  ((
Maybe they just wanted to get it up fast because the news had already been leaked. Thorzains statement is in English and what more could it say really.
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wasnt he on mouz during his wc3 days?
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Congrats mouz! Thorzain is a beast, I fuckin love his play!
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Wow, mouse has a pretty sick lineup now, with morrow, hasuobs, strelok, mana and now thorzain.
Gratz to both!
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I wonder who leaked the News before . This Announcment was obviosly timed with Thorzains TSL Semi.
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Congrats to both parties. I always feel bad for the team a famous player leaves though
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Grats, I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the big fish snapped him up.
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United States7483 Posts
Mousesports is quite lucky to get Thorzain, congratulations!
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Congrats to Mousesports on this awesome pickup.
Now fly his ass to Korea! Or stuff him in the house with TLO, Morrow and Sjow.
One of the two.
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prae. fans are going to be pissed >< lol.
Grats to mouz and Thorzain though, hope he does well
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Nice, congrats Thorzain. Pretty good pickup for mouz. With Hasu, Mana, Morrow, Strelok and now Thorzain they are a force to be reckoned with.
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I wonder if he'll be mouzThorzain by the TSL finals. Grats on the new team thorzain!
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Mouz is awesome ~~
They're the only team in SC2 we have never beat! We're like 0-5 vs them in clan wars and now it's gonna be even harder!
goodluck Thorzain & Mouz
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He should move into TLO's pro-house IMO
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Congratulations to thorzain!! I'm pumped and extremely excited to see him in future major and minor events. His play through the TSL certainly made fans, and I'm definitely one of them!
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On May 08 2011 05:15 Rampager wrote:Oh really, wow, gratz ThorZain! Poor NightEnd though, might get lonely 
My first reaction aswell, huge gratz to Thorzain though!
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Big grats to both parts 
Thorzain you're going boss mode man, I really LOVE your play. It's just SO solid
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Mousesports has already damn scary SC2 lineup and now with Thorzain, is even scarier. Congrats and GL.
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and will give his debut in the mouz-dress Ahahahahahaha. 
Anyway, mouz' lineup is pretty beastly now.
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On May 08 2011 05:25 InsaniaK wrote: I wonder if he'll be mouzThorzain by the TSL finals. Grats on the new team thorzain!
It would be kind of weird to change teams in the middle of a tournament, the proper thing would probably be that he continues representing prea the tournament out.
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Mousesports is slowly becoming one of my favorite teams. ThorZaIN helps a lot in that. Congrats.
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On May 08 2011 05:28 Dagobert wrote: Ahahahahahaha.  Anyway, mouz' lineup is pretty beastly now. Just imagine how more beastly they will be if they still had whitera, and to a lesser degree naama.
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That's one way to ensure you have a mouz member in the TSL finals :D
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Congrats although personally I was hoping Dignitas would have picked him up :D
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Mouz or mau5 dress?
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On May 08 2011 05:30 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 05:28 Dagobert wrote:and will give his debut in the mouz-dress Ahahahahahaha.  Anyway, mouz' lineup is pretty beastly now. Just imagine how more beastly they will be if they still had whitera, and to a lesser degree naama.
Ya that would just be overpowered...
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Congratulations...I can't think of anyone that deserves it more! =D
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On May 08 2011 05:29 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 05:25 InsaniaK wrote: I wonder if he'll be mouzThorzain by the TSL finals. Grats on the new team thorzain! It would be kind of weird to change teams in the middle of a tournament, the proper thing would probably be that he continues representing prea the tournament out. The tournament isn't about teams. The proper thing would be to represent the team he is in at the time.
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Really nice pick up for mouz, and great for thorzain as well im sure. Looking forward to seeing this guy at more lan tournaments!
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On May 08 2011 05:32 schreddertt wrote:Mouz or mau5 dress? 
I don't get it. Does he listen to Deadmau5 or something?
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Russian Federation57 Posts
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:20 THEPPLsELBOW wrote: wasnt he on mouz during his wc3 days? he was on GaB at the end, which was just a clan of semipro players ( i think )
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Huge congrats to Thorzain!!! Now he will get to play in the EG Masters Cup as well!
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Can also be mention that Praetoriani is losing NightEnD who is joining Fnatic. This according to reliable sources to Rakaka.
Gratz Markus for the win and the transfer to Mousesports!
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DANGGG- they picked him up rite as he is a potential TSL3 CHAMPION! Lets see if Thorzain will make it to any big lans
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His TSL matches were probably an important factor in this decision and you can tell he prepares for them like crazy. Great to see his hard work paid off.
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On May 08 2011 05:36 Hellspawnl wrote: Can also be mention that Praetoriani is losing NightEnD who is joining Fnatic. This according to reliable sources to Rakaka.
Gratz Markus for the win and the transfer to Mousesports!
Nice, I was just wondering what Nightend would do in this situation. He defiantly deserves a big team as well.
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On May 08 2011 05:36 Hellspawnl wrote: Can also be mention that Praetoriani is losing NightEnD who is joining Fnatic. This according to reliable sources to Rakaka.
Gratz Markus for the win and the transfer to Mousesports! lolz poor praetoriani T_T Hope they can acquire some new good players though :O
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Amazing to see all these awesome players get rewarded for their hard work, congratulations thorzain on your new team !
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Gotta be honest, he deserved it. Gl Thorzain
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:40 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 05:36 Hellspawnl wrote: Can also be mention that Praetoriani is losing NightEnD who is joining Fnatic. This according to reliable sources to Rakaka.
Gratz Markus for the win and the transfer to Mousesports! lolz poor praetoriani T_T Hope they can acquire some new good players though :O ahh good news for nightend imo, he was kind of in the same boat as thorzain - great player but much better than his team.. sucks for prae but business is business
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Wow, this is amazing news following the big news. Congratulations to ThorZaIN and good luck with your new team!
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I was just commenting to a friend about how I could see ThorZaIN moving to mouz =D...btw nice timing lol
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Grats Thorzain. Ur play is increadible. U deserve it. Wish u the best
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Hope he can prove it's not a fluke in the TSL3! Gratz.
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Uh-oh, any information about that Inferno online tomorrow? Stream, or sth... I want to watch Thorzain all day long...:D
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Happy for both Thorzain and Nightend. Excellent players, good luck with your new (and probably also improved) teams!
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Huge move by mousesports!
They have had some ups and downs as an organization that last year so this is nice to see.
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Awesome news.
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Great deal for both parties!
Seems like Prae is losing their entire SC2 division, NightEnD got picked up by fnatic..
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Good for both sides imo. Plus Thorzain will be seen at more events in the future (i think)
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United States4796 Posts
Grats, mousesports. You got a choice pick.
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congratz mouz and thorzain!
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Thorzain will ever have fond memories of TSL3.
Congratulations to both him and his new team.
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HasuObs Morrow Mana Strelok Thorzain
Pretty sick lineup for any team league.
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Kinda of expected this earlier, either Mousesports or Dignitas.
Congrats to both parties. :D
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meh :D mouz want to have the title of the TSL3
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Woah, sick pickup and mouz is looking to be a crazy strong team right now, picking up one of the, if not the best Terran in Europe if not the world.
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I Hope this in some way makes Thorzain want to stream, Such a amazing Terran. and his Barracks>FC>Barracks>Engineering bay is so good.
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Dignitas and Mouz are getting so incredibly stacked with high caliber players. I'm very excited to see these European power house teams clash in the future.
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Poor Prae...
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Congratulations Thor! WP on TSL.
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Great pickup for Mouz. Best of luck!
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Glad to see that his hard work paid off. I wish both Thorzain and mouz the best of luck
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 08 2011 06:06 GoKu` wrote: I Hope this in some way makes Thorzain want to stream, Such a amazing Terran. and his Barracks>FC>Barracks>Engineering bay is so good. he does stream! or did, before TSL, doesn't want his opponents to study him 
i guess he will stream again afterwards
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Strongest team in Europe got even stronger!
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gz Thorzain, bout to time a big team picked him up..... especially since he's gonna be TSL3 champ!
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Cool liked his wc3 play and now his sc2 play. However have seen cooller stuff
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wooooo great pickup by Mouz! Thorzain will give them great results!
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wot wot! ThorZaIN so guuuuuuud :D
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mouz has a pretty sick team for a teamleague. Thorzain, strelok, mana, dreiven, hasuobs, morrow etc. Can't see anyone rolling them too easily now.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
ThorZaIN fighting
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Damn, as if mouz didn't have enough good players already >.> thorzain fighting!!
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pretty huge pickup for team mouz. Must have been kinda expensive pickup if he had a running contract.
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Awesome, Congrats to ThorZain!! :D
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I think with a real team helping him train we'll actually continue to see good results from him. I guess this also means we'll be finding him at more and more tournaments too.
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lol imagine if he played Hasu in the finals. "Welcome to the team! Now I must destroy you."
Pretty sick team.
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This feels like the prom king getting asked out by the hottest girl in school right after he's crowned...
WEAR THAT CROWN THORZAIN!!!
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On May 08 2011 05:46 Volband wrote:Uh-oh, any information about that Inferno online tomorrow? Stream, or sth...  I want to watch Thorzain all day long...:D
Yea, that stuff needs some highlighting. Naniwa versus Thorzain the same day that the two of them might be ready for the TSL Final? Awesome!
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grats to both mouz and thorzain. This is going to be a sweet team to watch
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On May 08 2011 06:39 Darclite wrote: lol imagine if he played Hasu in the finals. "Welcome to the team! Now I must destroy you."
Pretty sick team.
although i think he'd destroy hasu tbh
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Korea (South)504 Posts
Awesome!! Those TSL matches today really showed that he needs to be on one of the main SC2 teams.
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Congratz to ThorZaIN and mouz. for getting a new great member!
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SICK!
double mousesports TSL finals go!
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niiiiiiice !
Mouz and dignitas are the top EU clans now!
i mean : morrow , hasu, thorzain, mana, naama, strelok
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naniwa, sjow, select
The quality of top players is equal, but the quantity is heavily in favor of mouz :D
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Solid pick up should mean we get to see him at a lot more tournaments ^^
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On May 08 2011 06:50 ChaosArcher wrote: niiiiiiice !
Mouz and dignitas are the top EU clans now!
i mean : morrow , hasu, thorzain, mana, naama, strelok
and
naniwa, sjow, select
The quality of top players is equal, but the quantity is heavily in favor of mouz :D
Naama is part of team Virus.
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I would say mouz are the best Western clan now, along with EG. Such an amazing lineup of players.
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Gratz thor Zain and mouz!
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Congratz ThorZAIN!! :D AWESOME
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i had my money on EGThorZaIN, but this is cool too :D
gratz
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Amazing news, Thorzain will probably only get better with a first class team.
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On May 08 2011 07:07 WArped wrote: I would say mouz are the best Western clan now, along with EG. Such an amazing lineup of players. There is also Dignitas and Liquid...
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Wooow this is huge news for Mouz. God damnit they have such an impressive lineup now.
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Glad to see Thorzain is joining a really good team. I'm not saying that Prae is bad it's just that I never see anyone on the team except Thorzain and mouz is everywhere.
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wow that's awesome. He really deserves it ! Hopefully he wont have to worry about anything from now on ^^
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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they couldnt pick a better player, gl
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NICE mouz just got better in my eyes than they already were, and that is saying alot!
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On May 08 2011 07:09 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 07:07 WArped wrote: I would say mouz are the best Western clan now, along with EG. Such an amazing lineup of players. There is also Dignitas and Liquid...
Of course, they are also both great.
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Awesome pickup! Mouz is looking really sick.
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On May 08 2011 07:09 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 07:07 WArped wrote: I would say mouz are the best Western clan now, along with EG. Such an amazing lineup of players. There is also Dignitas and Liquid...
Also Empire... Although I think Dignitas takes the top, followed by Empire/Mouz and only then EG/Liquid.
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Awesome :D good luck for both camp
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big gratz to mouz and Thorzain. Thorzain will even have a better training environment than he had for the TSL3 games. I expect greatness
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Yay, along with strelok now :D
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I gotta admit though, Prae Thorzain sounds better than MouzThorzain...
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Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late.
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On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would pick up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing. But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about. Why is it disappointing? German team, you should be happy
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He has to proof his skill in the future (to me). Whatever AAA team picks him up :p
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Make a Swedish team instead But Mousesport is a good and old organization with tradition. GL
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Time to move in with fellow Mouz player Morrow & co in Stockholm?
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He's swedish! OF COURSE he's gonna do great!
Damn you swedes and your fantastic country!
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. hes definitely not a one hit wonder... hes beating people with straight up solid macro play in all three matchups, and his only weakness seemed to be TvT which he has shown he can practice, prepare and beat one of the best Terrans outside of Korea.
TSL isn't his first notable performance anyway, he won a bo5 vs MorroW in the viking cup finals ages ago, when morrow was terran and had just beaten IdrA and was looking pretty much unbeatable in TvT. school obligations and not having any sponsors on Prae make attending LANs more difficult, and can't play in many online cups since they are such a time investment for little to no gain
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Really fantastic for Thorzain! Huge step up for him, all the best in mouz !
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Mouz sports is awesome for sniping such talent before other teams!!! grats to thorzain i hope he wins TSL even if its against hasuobs
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His performance in the TSL is awesome, but creating insane expectations.
Hope he can live up to these!
GL HF Thorzain, ill definitely be cheering for you.
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On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late.
I hate it when people say they don't want to say something but says it anyway. Make up your mind.
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On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already
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i was hoping for liquid'thorzain
to bad
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Congrats to both Thorzain and Mouz! I'll be cheering for you.
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Russian Federation122 Posts
Gratz to Thor and mouz. He is a really good player, who can win versus every opponent (if has a time to prepare). I suppose him to be a future star of Euro Starcraft scene, who probably will rush GSL.
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congrats Thorzian. mouz is a great team looking forward to the finals, GL
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On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already
That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised.
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reminds me of Jinro. One hit wonder. Both terran and swedish. I am sure the majority don't even know thorzain outside of TSL. Lets see how he does in future lans with more known and stronger opponents.
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Sick pickup for mousesports, but it totally suck for praetoriani lol.
Anywho, best of luck to all parties involved, Thorzain fighting!
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On May 08 2011 08:19 backtoback wrote: reminds me of Jinro. One hit wonder. Both terran and swedish. I am sure the majority don't even know thorzain outside of TSL. Lets see how he does in future lans with more known and stronger opponents.
More known and stronger opponents...?
I guess Fruitdealer, Tyler, MC and Kas just aren't well known and strong enough huh?
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On May 08 2011 08:19 backtoback wrote: reminds me of Jinro. One hit wonder. Both terran and swedish. I am sure the majority don't even know thorzain outside of TSL. Lets see how he does in future lans with more known and stronger opponents. Are you trolling? ThorZaiN beat FruitDealer, MC, Kas and Tyler on his way to the TSL finals.
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Nice, looks like those TSL accomplishments paid off, congratulations!
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It's about time a more influential clan signed this beast of a Terran. Congrats Thorzain! You're the freakin best!
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On May 08 2011 08:19 backtoback wrote: reminds me of Jinro. One hit wonder. Both terran and swedish. I am sure the majority don't even know thorzain outside of TSL. Lets see how he does in future lans with more known and stronger opponents.
i dont think 1 hit wonder means what you think it means
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Congratz ThorzaiN well deserved.
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Ohh congrats Throzain! Good pickup
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On May 08 2011 08:14 Striker.superfreunde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised. About what?
On May 08 2011 08:19 backtoback wrote: reminds me of Jinro. One hit wonder. Both terran and swedish. I am sure the majority don't even know thorzain outside of TSL. Lets see how he does in future lans with more known and stronger opponents.
*troll bait taken*
Name me 5 LAN:s in the last few months LANs with more known and stronger opponents (not counting the gsl).
By your standards a lot of players would be "one hit wonders."
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mousesports is so stacked it's scary. I'm lookin for them to dominate the new EG Master's cup.
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On May 08 2011 08:29 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:14 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised. About what?
About his progress. I don't have the time to watch nearly every tournament which is going on.
He came, he saw, he crushed.
That's all i know so far. Not more not less. So, with the fact i only saw him on TSL so far, im quite suprised to see him on mouz (or any other aaa team).
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Love his mech style, nice pick by mousesports.
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Mouz has a sick team now. I think they're gonna tear up EG masters cup.
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Awesome pick mouz!!! Thorzain is gonna fit perfectly into the mouz line up. Its gonna be awesome to see a mouz mouz final hopefully xD and thorzain playing more often. awesome decisions by both mouz and thorzain
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And mouz gets even scarier.
Grats to both parties, I'm really glad for ThorZaIN, really great addition to an already strong line-up!
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On May 08 2011 08:37 Striker.superfreunde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:29 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 08:14 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised. About what? About his progress. I don't have the time to watch nearly every tournament which is going on. He came, he saw, he crushed. That's all i know so far. Not more not less. So, with the fact i only saw him on TSL so far, im quite suprised to see him on mouz (or any other aaa team).
I'm pretty sure that if a player rapes some of the best foreigners, one GSL champion and one double GSL champion + the best player in the world, and he's in a bad team, things are going to switch up.
There are tonnes of players in aaa teams that basically havn't won much - if even anything, but show alot of promise in the game. Look at dignitas team roster for instance.. This guy is now the favourite to win the olympics of foreigner e-sports.
This guy might well be the best player in the world right now.
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Fantastic news! Congratulations and best of luck to both Thorzain and Mouz!
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why did he leave team Prae.????? just wondering.
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Wow Mouz already had a strong line up, and with Thorzain thats insane! Thorzain has been pure beast in TSL can't wait to see more of him!
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Awesome news, well deserved for Thorzain, he is a total baller!
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Congrats, good choice imo.
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On May 08 2011 08:53 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:37 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:29 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 08:14 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised. About what? About his progress. I don't have the time to watch nearly every tournament which is going on. He came, he saw, he crushed. That's all i know so far. Not more not less. So, with the fact i only saw him on TSL so far, im quite suprised to see him on mouz (or any other aaa team). I'm pretty sure that if a player rapes some of the best foreigners, one GSL champion and one double GSL champion + the best player in the world, and he's in a bad team, things are going to switch up. There are tonnes of players in aaa teams that basically havn't won much - if even anything, but show alot of promise in the game. Look at dignitas team roster for instance.. This guy is now the favourite to win the olympics of foreigner e-sports. This guy might well be the best player in the world right now.
Wow.. best player in the world? I don't think koreans take offline events as serious as GSL. But i don't even think korean players are the best in the world in general, also. He has to proof his skill in long term, to me. That's all i want to say. He may be the best... time will show. And i don't question that he might be.
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On May 08 2011 08:37 Striker.superfreunde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:29 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 08:14 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised. About what? About his progress. I don't have the time to watch nearly every tournament which is going on. He came, he saw, he crushed. That's all i know so far. Not more not less. So, with the fact i only saw him on TSL so far, im quite suprised to see him on mouz (or any other aaa team).
I thought you said you were disappointed? I don't get the leap from surprised to that.
Besides, how do you propose teams find up and coming players? You all start somewhere. He's young, was a excellent WC3 player and have shown really high potential lately. You don't need much more than that as a resume to be interesting to a lot of teams. Most teams are looking for players that have room to grow and judging by his games in the TSL, he's got plenty of that. I would have been surprised in teams weren't interested in him.
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I hope this means he can make it to future MLG events :D
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Awesome, he deserves to be on one of the best EU teams.
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Awww, was this before or after the TSL game? Where he was still with Prae?
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Thorzain definitely earned it, feel bad for prae but congrats to both parties!
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On May 08 2011 09:03 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:37 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:29 nam nam wrote:On May 08 2011 08:14 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On May 08 2011 08:05 Enox wrote:On May 08 2011 07:46 Striker.superfreunde wrote: Didn't recognized his games until TSL. And have to say, in my head he's still a "one hit wonder". Don't thought he would picked up by mouz. That's realy dissapointing But i don't wanna say he's that one hit wonder, i thougt about, cause i recognized him so (prolly) late. 1 hit wonder after beating 2 GSL winners, the winner of TSL2 and "the best terran EU"? learn to count.. thats 4 hits already That wasn't my point. I'm just suprised. About what? About his progress. I don't have the time to watch nearly every tournament which is going on. He came, he saw, he crushed. That's all i know so far. Not more not less. So, with the fact i only saw him on TSL so far, im quite suprised to see him on mouz (or any other aaa team). I thought you said you were disappointed? I don't get the leap from surprised to that. Besides, how do you propose teams find up and coming players? You all start somewhere. He's young, was a excellent WC3 player and have shown really high potential lately. You don't need much more than that as a resume to be interesting to a lot of teams. Most teams are looking for players that have room to grow and judging by his games in the TSL, he's got plenty of that. I would have been surprised in teams weren't interested in him.
Oh, sorry, disappointed has a comlpletly other meaning of what i thought about. Surprised is the term i was looking for. Sorry for that. I just checked a translator and ... yeah, i'm not disapointed, i'm surprised! My fault! I understand the controversy now!
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Thorzain is a great player and mouz is a great team. congrats to both!
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Sick timing push! lol..
Great pick up mousesports! <3 Gl in the inferno tourney aswell!
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mouz is looking so scary :D
Grats Thorzain, can't wait to see how well you'll perform at Lans!!!
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Mouz.sc2 looking great.
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Wow that is a sick line up now Strelock Mana Morrow thorzain Hasuobs. It's like the Liquid of Europe.
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Yeah i feel bad for nightend... its pretty scummy of thorzane just leaving his buddy behind
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On May 08 2011 09:29 LostBLuE wrote: Wow that is a sick line up now Strelock Mana Morrow thorzain Hasuobs. It's like the Liquid of Europe.
liquid is already the liquid of europe!
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Remebering the old days of mousesports counterstrike 1.6 @ gamesconvention 2008--- hmm yeah that was great... but THAT IS HUGE... i mean, he just won the semifinals and *snap* mousesports takes him under their wings :D
Now i'd love to see HasuObs vs ThorZain in the finals =D *haha* :D
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I think that I bet against him every single game so far in TSL3.
I will not make this mistake going forward.
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Congratulations!! very nice pick-up!
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Great pick up!
mouse is the best EU team going.
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Team mouz is a powerhouz.
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Australia8532 Posts
Great pickup; Thorzain made his mark at the TSL so it is awesome to see him picked up by mouz
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ThorZaIN has been nothing short of impressive. Nice choice, mouz.
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Yes!. Thorzain is so good. This is really great news. GSL soon?
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ThorZain is a great player, he was onto something about Thors
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This guy is a beast! Glad to see mouz pick him up!
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gratz mouz
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Gratz ThorZaiN, you surely deserved it!
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Grats Thorzain & Mouz + Show Spoiler +Really nice to see such an amazingly good TSL run be rewarded
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Wonder how Prae feels about the switch
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wow, he did get famous for his TSL run. grats.
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Congratulations! Another great team, another great player! Can't wait to see TSL!
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Congrats to Thorzain and Mouz. Glad to see the team expanding with even more great players. Keep it up guys <3.
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On May 08 2011 11:06 The_Piper42 wrote: Wonder how Prae feels about the switch Sad to see one of their best players go, happy that one of their own made the jump to one of the preeminent teams in the scene.
How else?
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Mouz was already good as it is. They just got that much better. Gratz to thorzain on the recognition.
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On May 08 2011 05:26 .Enigma. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 05:15 Rampager wrote:Oh really, wow, gratz ThorZain! Poor NightEnd though, might get lonely  My first reaction aswell, huge gratz to Thorzain though! NightEnd joins Fnatic
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congrats, well deserved from excellent play.
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Hmm, what was thorzain's clan before he switched? Congrats!
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Thorzain is the man bu tthought he was already on prae? any way congrats.
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On May 08 2011 10:06 neats wrote: Great pick up!
mouse is the best EU team going.
Dunno. Liquid and Dignitas are up there as well. If you mean with only EU players in it... then I guess you're right cuz I think mouz is the only one. Dignitas and Liquid are like 90% EU though. NA got EG and Root.
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mouz has a pretty damn sick lineup right now. Congrats ThorZaIN!
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I really wish TL would have picked him up, I'm a HUGE fan.
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I'd put Mouz, Dignitas and Liquid at the top of the foreigner clan pile.
Great pickup. Thorzain is an awesome player.
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mouz has a super strong line up now, nice!
look out other teams :D
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On May 08 2011 12:07 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:06 neats wrote: Great pick up!
mouse is the best EU team going. Dunno. Liquid and Dignitas are up there as well. If you mean with only EU players in it... then I guess you're right cuz I think mouz is the only one. Dignitas and Liquid are like 90% EU though. NA got EG and Root. 90%?
Liquid's line up is:
HuK Jinro TLO HayprO Ret Tyler
2/3 Euro
Also dont count ONE out of NA, they did really well in that team league, w/e its called, the one ROOT has won twice
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On May 08 2011 12:36 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:07 Euronyme wrote:On May 08 2011 10:06 neats wrote: Great pick up!
mouse is the best EU team going. Dunno. Liquid and Dignitas are up there as well. If you mean with only EU players in it... then I guess you're right cuz I think mouz is the only one. Dignitas and Liquid are like 90% EU though. NA got EG and Root. 90%? Liquid's line up is: HuK Jinro TLO HayprO Ret Tyler 2/3 Euro Also dont count ONE out of NA, they did really well in that team league, w/e its called, the one ROOT has won twice
Well technically Nazgul's in there as well, right? I was thinking of Dignitas in particular. I think Select is the only non-european there. ONE is such a new team it's hard to estimate, especially as NA is considered the weakest server at the moment. Kind of like SixJax.
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Hasuobs, Strelok, Morrow, Thorzain. That lineup would do decently well in the GSTL imo.
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mouz lineup is so boss. grats throzain
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Oh nice! Thorzain is so good. I cannot wait to see more of him.
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Great job ThorZaIN! Good luck to mouz in the EG team league!
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Grats to Thorzain and Mouz!
Hopefully this leads to more LAN appearances for Thorzain. Maybe he could even move to the Swedish team house now!
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Grats! gogo mouzThorZAIN! :D
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If White Ra were still on mouz, I would probably have died with the epicness of the roster.
Morrow, HasuObs, White Ra, and Thorzain? Pretty sic lineup, and thats not even everyone on it. Good job Thorzain, just lose to Naniwa/Hasu in the finals of TSL. ^^
On a completely irrelevant question, isn't FXO based it NA as well, or am I incorrect?
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On May 08 2011 12:47 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 12:36 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 08 2011 12:07 Euronyme wrote:On May 08 2011 10:06 neats wrote: Great pick up!
mouse is the best EU team going. Dunno. Liquid and Dignitas are up there as well. If you mean with only EU players in it... then I guess you're right cuz I think mouz is the only one. Dignitas and Liquid are like 90% EU though. NA got EG and Root. 90%? Liquid's line up is: HuK Jinro TLO HayprO Ret Tyler 2/3 Euro Also dont count ONE out of NA, they did really well in that team league, w/e its called, the one ROOT has won twice Well technically Nazgul's in there as well, right? I was thinking of Dignitas in particular. I think Select is the only non-european there. ONE is such a new team it's hard to estimate, especially as NA is considered the weakest server at the moment. Kind of like SixJax. SEA is probably weaker, at least from what Ive seen.
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In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
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To bad that ThorZain gets nerfed^^
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Congratulations ThorZaIN! And Mouz too!
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On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
agreed. I'd also add sixjax to at least tier 2 team list.
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Nice pickup by mouz. ThorZaIN is really establishing himself as one of the top terran players.
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Mouz is a absolutely stacked. I can definetely see them taking the EG masters cup.
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On May 08 2011 14:45 Cloud9157 wrote: If White Ra were still on mouz, I would probably have died with the epicness of the roster.
Morrow, HasuObs, White Ra, and Thorzain? Pretty sic lineup, and thats not even everyone on it. Good job Thorzain, just lose to Naniwa/Hasu in the finals of TSL. ^^
On a completely irrelevant question, isn't FXO based it NA as well, or am I incorrect? for mouz, strelok/mana/naama also come to mind, they are all sick.
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On May 08 2011 16:06 Nexic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 14:45 Cloud9157 wrote: If White Ra were still on mouz, I would probably have died with the epicness of the roster.
Morrow, HasuObs, White Ra, and Thorzain? Pretty sic lineup, and thats not even everyone on it. Good job Thorzain, just lose to Naniwa/Hasu in the finals of TSL. ^^
On a completely irrelevant question, isn't FXO based it NA as well, or am I incorrect? for mouz, strelok/mana/naama also come to mind, they are all sick. naama isnt on mouz anymore since late february i think.
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On May 08 2011 15:49 Karthane wrote: Mouz is a absolutely stacked. I can definetely see them taking the EG masters cup.
i think they won every match in the last eg cup when you only count 1on1s but they failed allways in 2on2, might happen again^^
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On May 08 2011 16:11 Influ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 15:49 Karthane wrote: Mouz is a absolutely stacked. I can definetely see them taking the EG masters cup. i think they won every match in the last eg cup when you only count 1on1s but they failed allways in 2on2, might happen again^^ 2v2 is all strategy with Thorzain on their team...
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gratz ThorZaIN!! Good luck with your new team! I really like roster of mouz now :D
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Nice pick up my mouz, can't wait to see thorzain at more tournaments! gl!
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On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot.
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On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot.
I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are.
RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results.
When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2.
And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet.
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probably mouz.ThorZain vs mouz.HasuObs in the TSL final. Go Hasu!!! this would mean, that mousesports are the best team^^
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On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
hmm i think Empire and MYM should be roughly on a lvl with Root. Also if you add coL, FXO or RoX in there u might as well add teams like Sixjax, Virus, Cybernation, Alien Invasion, One, vVv etc.
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mouz obviously has smart management, their roster is scary good ^^ gratz to Thorzain, wish both parties the best of luck!
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On May 08 2011 17:33 UnderDuck wrote: probably mouz.ThorZain vs mouz.HasuObs in the TSL final. Go Hasu!!! this would mean, that mousesports are the best team^^
Or it could be ThorZain vs. Naniwa, and that would mean Sweden is awesome.
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Thorzain is shaping up to be one of my favorite terran players!! Congrats to him AND all of mouz!
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Nice! Will be fun to see if thorzain can keep doing well in tournaments.
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Although I was really rooting for Kas, I'm happy for Thorzain. Must be great to have such a renowned sponsor backing you.
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oh my god. I just love ThorZaIN and his play so much, and it's going to be so much better for him at LANS, tournaments and stuff, although I still think Prae and NightEnd are still an amazing clan.
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funny, yesterday i was thinking that Thorzain would probably would join a new team after his success in TSL, and one day later i read this.
GL Thorzain and Mousesports
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Russian Federation94 Posts
On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote: [ RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. Russian proleague is only for russian players and played much time ago. Lineup there was without our top-players Happy, Nerchio and Beastyqt and rox had their top-line. So RPL isn't so big win.
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I think both, Mouz and Thorzain will benefit from this. It was clearly just a matter of time that a big team would sign him after those matches against MC
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Gratz to both Thorzain and Mousesports!
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Japan6199 Posts
Grats Thorzain!
Mouz is probably one of the strongest non-korean teams in SC2 right right now.
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Good for Thorzain. I don't know how much money mousesports puts into starcraft 2, but they are one of the biggest teams in e-sports as a whole, so hopefully we'll get to see Thorzain at a lot more events.
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Thorzain is really good so it's a great pickup by mouz!
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Mousesports sure has got a promising team now!
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Fun fact:
Thorzain is the only grandmaster player in Europe with 100 win-%
Though he's played a whooping 7 games. Still impressive being grand master within 7 games.
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I wonder how much that cost Mouse.
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congrats to thorzain
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I cant remember lately any huge team invites or dominating performance besides from the race Terran (in all mu´s ) , try to prove me wrong . However that is fitting regarding "my balance thoughts" currently
And that is ment especialy in TvP
And if you come now with oGs.MC he just wins allot of matches by playing risky strats that punish greedy terran play.
User was warned for this post
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Russian Federation823 Posts
On May 08 2011 19:30 Serashin wrote: I cant remember lately any huge team invites or dominating performance besides from the race Terran (in all mu´s ) , try to prove me wrong . However that is fitting regarding "my balance thoughts" currently
And that is ment especialy in TvP
And if you come now with oGs.MC he just wins allot of matches by playing risky strats that punish greedy terran play.
Nice try plugging in balance whining.
Good job Thorzain, good luck in the finals.
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On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot. I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are. RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results. When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2. And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet. The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end. . Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances. Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire.
On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong. In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either.
Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene.
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sick pickup, grats to both
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My favourite team acquires monster terran, mouz will be u-n-s-t-!o-p-a-b-l-e
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Yeah, it was obvious some team would enlist him after how he has been performing
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Isn't there some swedish tournament being played this afternoon? Sjow, thorzaihn, naniwa etc.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot. I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are. RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results. When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2. And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet. The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end. . Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances. Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire. On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong. In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either. Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene. Yep pretty much in agreement with this. putting ROOT as a t1 team is especially lol, they have kiwikaki and thats about it. they are american though so may as well put them up there )
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On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot. I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are. RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results. When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2. And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet. The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end. . Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances. Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire. On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong. In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either. Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene. Also, don't count out FXO, with Sheth, Moonan, moonglade, optikzero etc... they have a very strong team
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On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that empire and MYM is better than root
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On May 08 2011 20:31 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that empire and MYM is better than root i'd say the same
good luck in mouse Thorzain!
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Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 08 2011 20:31 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that empire and MYM is better than root Empire is a very strong team indeed, they deserve a lot more recognition, id put them above EG and Root
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oh that sucks, I hope someone does a stream.
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On May 08 2011 20:31 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that empire and MYM is better than root
Idd as I wrote earlier. Root is getting much attention because they are American but aside from Kiwikaki who maybe is on par with Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. they dont have any players who have accomplished anything besides high ladder and some online tournament results on the weakest three servers (KR/EU/US).
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Congrats ThorZaIN, hope you'll be tearing things up in the major tournaments.
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my favourite clan gets thorzain , omg a dream comes true *_*
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Thumbs up to thorzain
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mouz is starting to look really, really beastly. i wonder though, if and how long will it take for someone one the team to figure thorzain's style out.
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If it doesn't have a livestream or a TL thread, does it really exist?
+ Show Spoiler +Looks like Naniwa just 2-0ed Thorzain and Jimpo advances as well.
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On May 08 2011 05:46 Glowbox wrote: Hope he can prove it's not a fluke in the TSL3! Gratz. That would have to be a pretty hefty fluke, to beat FruitDealer, Tyler, MC and Kas in a row.
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Question for mouz:
will thorzain be allowed to finish the sc2cl with Praetoriani? (since mouz isnt there, and this situation has happened in the past, during the bwcl).
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2 mouz player in the semi finals now ^^ and one for sure in the final
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Thorzain is a boss! Congrats to both player and team!
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Congratulations to mouz for the great catch! As many people mentioned, ThorZaIN's accomplishments are very impressive. I don't think anyone would've believed at the start of this tournament that anyone would have defeated so many former champions.
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It really had to happen sooner or later. Thorzain have shown a ability to prepare before a match i probably never have seen :D
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GZ ThorZain! Hope to see more of him in the future. His TSL results got him a pretty big fanbase.
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Grats will be looking forward to seeing more of Thor.
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mousesports is looking stronger than ever.
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lovely
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On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot. I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are. RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results. When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2. And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet. The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end. . Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances. Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire. On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong. In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either. Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene.
I like how you open your post mainly with an attack on Xeris, and then end with the same. Definitely makes your point more legitimate.
Empire definitely has some beastly players, and so does ROOT, but while Xeris mentioned several results to back his post up you only mentioned potential results that may occur in the near future. I agree with a lot of your opinions here, but for the most part we have to wait until those results come in definitively. Besides, why begrudge someone their own list of good teams?
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Poor prae, they lost thorzain and i heard night end will be transferring aswell... tho i might have been miss informed :p Other then that gratz ThorZaIN.
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Zaire1232 Posts
On May 08 2011 21:25 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Why no Liquid`Thorzain? the real questin is, why not mym.Strafe ?! i want see old tot's in sc2
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Hehe, I'm playing at South East Asia atm and I'm moving to USA soon so let's see!
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:21 KingVietKong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot. I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are. RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results. When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2. And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet. The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end. . Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances. Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire. On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong. In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either. Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene. I like how you open your post mainly with an attack on Xeris, and then end with the same. Definitely makes your point more legitimate. Empire definitely has some beastly players, and so does ROOT, but while Xeris mentioned several results to back his post up you only mentioned potential results that may occur in the near future. I agree with a lot of your opinions here, but for the most part we have to wait until those results come in definitively. Besides, why begrudge someone their own list of good teams? because his opinion determines what teams get invited to leagues
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Was it his showing in the TSL which got this in motion, or just his play in general?
Either way its good for both sides, can't wait to see if he gets a trip to Korea!!
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This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's like the American (European) dream. Nobody gave this guy a chance and he worked his ass off and is steamrolling his way through the biggest online tournament ever (even if it's not, let's just go with it). IMO mouz is as good as it gets.
Congrats.
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it will be quiet funny if both mouz player will face in the finals
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sad to see prae clan close down but gl to thorzain and nightend in the future
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On May 09 2011 01:31 Neo.NEt wrote: This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's like the American (European) dream. Nobody gave this guy a chance and he worked his ass off and is steamrolling his way through the biggest online tournament ever (even if it's not, let's just go with it). IMO mouz is as good as it gets.
Congrats.
I agreed with everything up until "mouz is as good as it gets" and I do realize your statement of in my opinion. So I'm not disagreeing with your opinion so much as would like clarification as to why you make that statement?
Congrats and good luck to ThorZain and Mouz; I see great thing for the future of Mouz sports.
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very awesome. hopefully we can see him playing more now
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congrats thorzain and mousesports. sorry Praetoriani
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too bad, i really liked praetoriani. But why did nightend and thorzain go separate ways?
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On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote: In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):
Tier 1 Teams: Dignitas Fnatic Liquid Mouz EG ROOT
Tier 2 Teams: Empire Millenium RoX MYM compLexity FXO
I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot. I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are. RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results. When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2. And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet. The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end. . Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances. Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire. On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong. In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either. Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene. I would say that Aristeo/Cubert is easily the best in EU (possibly the best in the world). That duo is unbelievably good! And that's not "potential results that may occur in the near future", KingVietKong, just check their 4PL results (and ladder profile aswell). They're gods of 2v2 
So far, in the running Go4SC2 #103, Kas and Happy made to the semi-finals (Kas is yet to play) and Aristeo to the quarter-finals. By the way, just check last TL Tournament Roundup, Happy and Nerchio tied for the first place with three 1st places and one 2nd place.
I believe is quite safe to say that Empire and ROOT indeed aren't in the same level, there are already some results out there that proves it.
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Damn, this isn't looking good for Praetoriani
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Great pickup by mousesports and Congrats to Thorzain. Glad to see Nightend got picked up by FnaticMSI.
I am sad though that Prae is shutting down though.
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On May 09 2011 02:29 Zeroxk wrote:Damn, this isn't looking good for Praetoriani
seems they have closed down
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Congratulation ThorZaIN!! Gogo Sweden!
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mousesport better train ThorZain for TvP like champions. No time for small tournaments!
He has to become a hero.
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A mouz final would be so awesome =)
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So the deal was only so they have one player in the TSL final? scnr :>
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On May 09 2011 02:59 Steel wrote: mousesport better train ThorZain for TvP like champions. No time for small tournaments!
He has to become a hero.
Agreed. ThorZain is a Norse god that shall send down mighty blows indeed! Mouz just received a champion. NASL Finals next year. O.o
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decent player, decent team. Perfect match !! go thorzain <3~
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Too bad because of him, thor will get nerf in the next patch.
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On May 09 2011 04:40 -miDnight- wrote: Too bad because of him, thor will get nerf in the next patch.
He ruined it for everyone
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really like that =) mouz is one of the best lead teams and thorzain has all it takes to stay at the top. so far mouz just placed average in teamleauges but with thorzain and hasus improvement over the last month they will definitely show us an impressiv winstreak
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Well have fun there I think.
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Wow this is huge.... Morrow, hasuobs, and ThorZain on the same team... that will be such a strong team league matchup.. having a strong player from each race is huge! ^^ THORZAIN FIGHTING!
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Nice going! Keep up being a baller, Thorzain!
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Damn sux for Prae but Thorzain is to beastly to be on such a small team anyways. He is the future TSL winner.
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Well nice to see him on a bigger team. Maybe now he will get more opportunities to go to live events and show his skills offline. GL GL
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Nice job ThorZaIN. Keep on pwning!
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Fantastic news for him, congratulations Thorzain!
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ThorZaIN.. so handsome right now
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Sucks for his old team, who do they have left?
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United States7483 Posts
On May 09 2011 08:20 GreEny K wrote: Sucks for his old team, who do they have left?
His old team is now officially gone for good, and no longer exists.
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brutal pickup, grats to thorzain for joining such a formidable team
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Sweet, great news for him and the team. Such great practice partners to work with.
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this is expected, mouz is one of the established sc2 team in Europe and it was good pick from them. He will be better in this team and we might be seeing him more often in future tournaments.
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Good terran play is so exciting Wanna see this guy hit his full potential
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Well deserved. Please send Thorzain to korea.
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Cool nice to see him join a great team. I was actually wondering if some of the teams like Mouz, Dignitas, or Liquid may have tried to get him on after his strong showing at TSL 3. This is great to see
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Congratulations, that's some great news.
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Someone please give this guy a ticket to Korea for the next prelims. He needs to show whats up to MKP and MVP.
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mouz already doing well in the master's cup and thats without thorzain! going to be such a solid team
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Wow big news. TSL really has been huge for Thorzain...
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Sweet! Though Praetoriani (sp?) is a far superior name :D + Show Spoiler + Will he be wearing the tag in the TSL finals or will he round out the tournament in Prae? Seems a bit unfair to switch tags beforehand.
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Here is hoping for mouzThorz because nothing is scarier then mouse-thor hybrids.
TSL3 Semi Final Spoiler! + Show Spoiler +So if Hasuobs would of won we would be having a mouz finals! Well gratz to mouse sports for having 2 players in the quarter finals of TSL3!
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Einstein didn't do it correct. It's: ThorZaIN = MC²
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Best 'a Luck to ThorZain!
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Mousesports has got a really good lineup now. A good terran was the only missing thing, Im glad they fixed the problem by adding Thorzain to their team
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It now seems like everyone has left Prae Team
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i would like to see thorzain compete in the GSL super tournament to see his skills in a korean type environment. grats to mouz and thorz, also GL in GSL finals thorzain
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Wow, as if mouz hasn't already been a sick strong team with Morrow, Strelok, Hasu and Mana - they are really getting ahead of the other European teams it seems.
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On May 09 2011 22:52 sleepingdog wrote: Wow, as if mouz hasn't already been a sick strong team with Morrow, Strelok, Hasu and Mana - they are really getting ahead of the other European teams it seems.
Now they just have to add another top level zerg and they'll rule the universe.
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Yay ThorZain, I've been following him since Warcraft 3 and he was a very good Human player. Now with his Starcraft 2 success and many Warcraft 3 pros doing good in Starcraft 2, it's going to be interesting to see how all of these teams compete against each other. Awesome pick up by Mouz!
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Congrats thorzain! Not surprised at all, I don't think any player can do as well as he did/is doing (no spoilers!) in the TSL without getting picked up by a big team ASAP.
Definitely looking forward to more of him around, absolutely stunning play.
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On May 09 2011 22:40 Ph03NiX wrote:Mousesports has got a really good lineup now. A good terran was the only missing thing, Im glad they fixed the problem by adding Thorzain to their team 
seems u forgot strelok?  2 good terrans was what they were missing :D
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Congrats ThorZaIN from a fellow Swede. Your games against Kas and MC were SICK and you just gained a new fan, please win against Naniwa in the finals 
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add dimaga (since mTw has 1 toppplayer only anyway) and we would have an imba lineup with 2 topplayers each race 
Strelok
ThorZaiN
HasuObs
MaNa
MorroW
Dimaga
how imba would that be
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Awesome, cant wait to see him in clan battles
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Nice, TharZaIN has really been playing great lately.
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ThorZaIN the best terran in the world
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Bra jobbat ThorZain. Sjukt bra spelet i TSL, och lycka till i finalen!! :D
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Thorzain fighting!!! Deffiantly a step in right direction, going to have a fewmore teammates to practice with on his level!!!
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On May 10 2011 17:21 Easybot wrote: Bra jobbat ThorZain. Sjukt bra spelet i TSL, och lycka till i finalen!! :D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 "7. ENGLISH IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE"
Tho it seems so similar to english :d I have 0 knowledge in swedish but I'll try to translate: Good job ThorZain. Well played in TSL and good luck in finals!!
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Not only is he moving, his former team is disbanding:
Praetoriani Closes Down
With Lazarus closing too, I wonder if it's a trend that all small teams will disband to make way for the big ones.
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Wow Mouz is getting really strong. ThorZain has been really impressive in the TSL.
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Congratulations to ThorZaIN :D Mouse is an awesome team, and ThorZaIN is an awesome player. Couldn't be a better fit. Im excited for this news.
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Very good pick up for mouz and great for thorzain also congrats and GL
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Congrats. Sick player.
One of the most naturally talented, strong players I've seen play SC2 yet..imo.
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