• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:19
CEST 07:19
KST 14:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-67SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)11Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE18
StarCraft 2
General
Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE State of the Game podcast archive? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 2/8
Tourneys
Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
[Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 ASL22 General Discussion Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 2v2v2v2 Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5350 users

Build Order Visualizer -- Looking for feedback

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Invariant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
May 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#1
Hello TL,

Me and my friend have been working on a build order visualizer as a programming project, and are looking for some early feedback. We designed the visualizer based on the idea that it could help people learn new BOs, or compare existing BOs to analyze the timings. The site can be found here:

http://sc2.karlhe.com

Credit
This uses Haploid's Build order calculator ( http://sc2calc.org ) to figure out the timings, the thread for that can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159994

This project heavily relies on his excellent work, so much thanks to him.

Usage
The syntax is the same as sc2calc ( http://www.sc2calc.org/build_order/syntax.php ). There are a few examples build into the "Saved Build Orders" on the left.

Click either "Show on Left" or "Show on Right" to display the build order in either the left or right column, respectively. You can hover over the timeline to see the current units for each column, or hover over an icon on the timeline to see a description.

Things we'd like to know:
* Does this actually help, and what does it help with specifically?
* What could be improved?

Any feedback is appreciated!
PR4Y
Profile Joined November 2010
United States260 Posts
May 04 2011 05:49 GMT
#2
I'm not trying to be too hard on you or anything, but I can't figure out what this is supposed to do, that 50 other programs don't already do.


From a programmer's perspective, the application lacks functionality. The buttons "Show on Left / Right" aren't clearly labeled and don't seem to respond to even the most basic input.

Some documentation wouldn't hurt, either.

I'm just having a hard time seeing what this application does other then taking the sc2calc build order syntax and wrapping a few images and buttons around it. Perhaps I'm missing something though?
I'm your average Brotoss brother, weilding my brommortal, brothership, brolossus, bro ray, broenix... BROTHERHOOD OF BROTOSS
Invariant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 05:59:02
May 04 2011 05:57 GMT
#3
On May 04 2011 14:49 PR4Y wrote:
From a programmer's perspective, the application lacks functionality.

It's pretty mediocre from a programming perspective, I admit. What functionality are you looking for?

The buttons "Show on Left / Right" aren't clearly labeled and don't seem to respond to even the most basic input.

Could you elaborate? It seems like you got it to work, so I don't know what you mean by "don't seem to respond".

Some documentation wouldn't hurt, either.

True. I was hoping my explanation would be enough, what was confusing?

I'm just having a hard time seeing what this application does other then taking the sc2calc build order syntax and wrapping a few images and buttons around it. Perhaps I'm missing something though?

In a sense, you are right. In the same sense, a bar chart is just wrapping images around a spreadsheet, but it gives you a new way to look at the data that may be hard to see in the original format.


Thanks for the response!
ArhK
Profile Joined July 2007
France287 Posts
May 04 2011 09:50 GMT
#4
I had a "hard time" understanding how does it work.

It is pretty nice, but tips regarding the most common sc2calc rules to write down the build orders would be appreciated, I felt to lazy to bounce back to sc2calc website to check things.

Regarding functionnalities, I would like to be able to make build orders, and share them through a unique URL, in order to link it easily between teammates for example. Making account where you can store "private BO" would be nice as well.
Invariant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
May 05 2011 05:46 GMT
#5
On May 04 2011 18:50 ArhK wrote:
I had a "hard time" understanding how does it work.

What would you say is the most confusing part / how did you finally understand it?

It is pretty nice, but tips regarding the most common sc2calc rules to write down the build orders would be appreciated, I felt to lazy to bounce back to sc2calc website to check things.

Good idea, I tripped up a lot on stuff like chronoboost, transferring workers, and swapping addons when I first started using it too.

Regarding functionnalities, I would like to be able to make build orders, and share them through a unique URL, in order to link it easily between teammates for example. Making account where you can store "private BO" would be nice as well.

The URL-sharing is definitely on our to-do list. In terms of "private BOs", we do plan to make the Saved BO's tree store permanently, which would I hope is what you're thinking of?
ArhK
Profile Joined July 2007
France287 Posts
May 16 2011 11:44 GMT
#6
On May 05 2011 14:46 Invariant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2011 18:50 ArhK wrote:
I had a "hard time" understanding how does it work.

What would you say is the most confusing part / how did you finally understand it?

Show nested quote +
It is pretty nice, but tips regarding the most common sc2calc rules to write down the build orders would be appreciated, I felt to lazy to bounce back to sc2calc website to check things.

Good idea, I tripped up a lot on stuff like chronoboost, transferring workers, and swapping addons when I first started using it too.

Show nested quote +
Regarding functionnalities, I would like to be able to make build orders, and share them through a unique URL, in order to link it easily between teammates for example. Making account where you can store "private BO" would be nice as well.

The URL-sharing is definitely on our to-do list. In terms of "private BOs", we do plan to make the Saved BO's tree store permanently, which would I hope is what you're thinking of?


The most confusing part was to understand that the "Show on left, Show on right" were the "Calculate button". Since I didn't understand it at first, I had a hard time figuring out how to use the BO tree on the left.

As for the saving of the tree store, yes it would be a great idea to have this.

We are using your website with a friend atm, and we would love to be able to link ourselves different BO without an entire C/C of the bo .

Don't hesitate to PM me for further questions !
RobiTL
Profile Joined July 2010
France55 Posts
May 16 2011 12:54 GMT
#7
Can you please add the larvea number ?
The most usefull info to have a solid zerg build order is to prevent the larvae-block (having 3 larvae or more)
[image loading]

PS : hatch = 1larva/15s, inject = 4larva/40s
Born to be Zerg
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
December 11 2011 22:54 GMT
#8
I just found this tool and think it's absolutely great! It's by far the easiest way to follow a build order in-game for me... So I'm wondering if you guys have plans to update this project with the latest patch or to possibly release the source code so the community could work with it?
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 03:15:36
December 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#9
I would love to see resources and nexus energy included in the timeline. (yeah, i play protoss. who cares about mules! )
Just noticed the mouse over on the timeline which is good, but a little fiddly. I would prefer a simple xxm/xxg next to the time.

I find the visualization very helpful for planning out a BO.

Also it is hard to see what you're chrono-boosting once you start getting a few things in production at once.

for example in the 1 gate stargate build order from the icons alone it's hard to tell if you're chronoboosting the VR or the warpgate.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 41m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft679
RuFF_SC2 124
Nina 102
FoxeR 67
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3775
GuemChi 2282
Shuttle 531
JYJ 438
Leta 166
ggaemo 153
Mind 70
Hyun 65
Noble 29
Bale 23
[ Show more ]
ZergMaN 17
Purpose 12
Icarus 10
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm186
League of Legends
JimRising 688
Counter-Strike
summit1g7202
tarik_tv2707
Coldzera 1404
m0e_tv507
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King241
C9.Mang0205
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick600
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 81
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki5
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1144
• Rush1103
• Stunt388
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
4h 41m
OSC
4h 41m
INu's Battles
5h 41m
Percival vs Cure
Classic vs Clem
Replay Cast
18h 41m
Escore
1d 4h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 5h
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
The Patches Monday
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-04
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.