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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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BuddhaMonk
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On August 22 2012 11:13 nkr wrote: He was responding to the general outrage in the thread here on TL rather than what IdrA said. I mean if you had listened to what was said and then thought for 2 seconds, you would've figured that out yourself. It was a funny sequence. If you had thought for 2 seconds you might have found the humor in it yourself. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
On August 22 2012 10:45 Rezudox wrote: Heres the mp3 for tonights show (Episode 50). http://archive.org/download/InsideTheGameEpisode50/insidethegame50.mp3 (Right click, save as.) Enjoy. Posted this link to my audio feed as well at http://itg-audio.blogspot.com. Should be subscribable in iTunes using the RSS links found on the right. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
On August 22 2012 12:03 TheWorldToCome wrote: someone want to explain the tasteless joke? tasteless got a birthday cake which was a giant mothership. incontrol asks did he know what it was joke about his supposed lack of game knowledge (which obviously not true, he just casts besides artosis!) it was damn hilarious, and im sure tasteless would laugh at it too | ||
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pooMonger
United States30 Posts
Considering that certain areas of the United States have more playable latencies to the KR server, while the arrangement might be more expensive than Arizona, wouldn't the practice alone be worth it? And so one of the points Geoff brought up was that the EG lair was in proximity to the studio where EG currently produces their content. I feel that if we want the NA scene to be as strong as possible, NA players should be practicing in the utmost optimal conditions. By choosing the team house location based on content-production abilities, versus a practice-environment focus, it almost feels as if NA has resigned to a position of 'will-always-be-behind-koreans' and that makes me a sad panda  I think it's obvious that Americans love the foreigner vs. korean storyline... I just hope that one day more than just 1 or 2 foreigners can handle their own against the top-tier korean pros.I don't mean to diss NA players, or belittle them, and I seriously love incontrol. He is indubitably one of the handsomest and funniest men I have ever had the chance to come across, even outside of starcraft. But to me, it still sounds like incontrol is hungry to be the best player he can possibly be. It made me sad when he was talking about his hopes for his future with the game. As if he, too, thought that it would be unrealistic to have a major tournament victory. But fuck that. If you're hungry for something incontrol, there's nothing standing in your goliath way. Hell, Nestea won his GSLs when he was 30, so there's plenty of time left! "This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it." -Ralph Waldo Emerson And while I don't know know for certain that playing on the KR server from the USA will help produce more NA champions... the alternative seems to be universally agreed as a worse practice environment. Just my 2 cents! | ||
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On August 22 2012 10:57 BuddhaMonk wrote: Idra: As long as Stephano doesn't post racist tweets, he'll be fine in EG. Geoff: The community is so bad, I can't believe we're talking about this instead of about what a great player he is, [insert more ranting] Dude, your own teammate brought it up lol Geoff's "rant" still doesn't cover EG's blatant hypocrisy over this issue, and tbh there is no way out of it for them where their integrity can stay intact other than not hiring Stephano. | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:44 mememolly wrote: Geoff's "rant" still doesn't cover EG's blatant hypocrisy over this issue, and tbh there is no way out of it for them where their integrity can stay intact other than not hiring Stephano. You're such a tryhard drama queen | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
omg insult of the year hahahaha | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
On August 22 2012 13:54 pooMonger wrote: Hoping incontrol will see this! I was the first caller on today's show asking about team house locations. I was hoping to clarify a few things. Isn't the KR server de facto the best practice environment? The NA vs. EU debate seems fruitless because they both pale in comparison to the level of play on the KR server. Considering that certain areas of the United States have more playable latencies to the KR server, while the arrangement might be more expensive than Arizona, wouldn't the practice alone be worth it? And so one of the points Geoff brought up was that the EG lair was in proximity to the studio where EG currently produces their content. I feel that if we want the NA scene to be as strong as possible, NA players should be practicing in the utmost optimal conditions. By choosing the team house location based on content-production abilities, versus a practice-environment focus, it almost feels as if NA has resigned to a position of 'will-always-be-behind-koreans' and that makes me a sad panda I think it's obvious that Americans love the foreigner vs. korean storyline... I just hope that one day more than just 1 or 2 foreigners can handle their own against the top-tier korean pros.I don't mean to diss NA players, or belittle them, and I seriously love incontrol. He is indubitably one of the handsomest and funniest men I have ever had the chance to come across, even outside of starcraft. But to me, it still sounds like incontrol is hungry to be the best player he can possibly be. It made me sad when he was talking about his hopes for his future with the game. As if he, too, thought that it would be unrealistic to have a major tournament victory. But fuck that. If you're hungry for something incontrol, there's nothing standing in your goliath way. Hell, Nestea won his GSLs when he was 30, so there's plenty of time left! "This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it." -Ralph Waldo Emerson And while I don't know know for certain that playing on the KR server from the USA will help produce more NA champions... the alternative seems to be universally agreed as a worse practice environment. Just my 2 cents! He also stated that the current team house location is much closer to tournaments, like MLGs for example, and it would be unrealistic to get a house further away from tournaments because of the costs and stuff. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On August 22 2012 13:54 pooMonger wrote: Hoping incontrol will see this! I was the first caller on today's show asking about team house locations. I was hoping to clarify a few things. Isn't the KR server de facto the best practice environment? The NA vs. EU debate seems fruitless because they both pale in comparison to the level of play on the KR server. Considering that certain areas of the United States have more playable latencies to the KR server, while the arrangement might be more expensive than Arizona, wouldn't the practice alone be worth it? And so one of the points Geoff brought up was that the EG lair was in proximity to the studio where EG currently produces their content. I feel that if we want the NA scene to be as strong as possible, NA players should be practicing in the utmost optimal conditions. By choosing the team house location based on content-production abilities, versus a practice-environment focus, it almost feels as if NA has resigned to a position of 'will-always-be-behind-koreans' and that makes me a sad panda I think it's obvious that Americans love the foreigner vs. korean storyline... I just hope that one day more than just 1 or 2 foreigners can handle their own against the top-tier korean pros.I don't mean to diss NA players, or belittle them, and I seriously love incontrol. He is indubitably one of the handsomest and funniest men I have ever had the chance to come across, even outside of starcraft. But to me, it still sounds like incontrol is hungry to be the best player he can possibly be. It made me sad when he was talking about his hopes for his future with the game. As if he, too, thought that it would be unrealistic to have a major tournament victory. But fuck that. If you're hungry for something incontrol, there's nothing standing in your goliath way. Hell, Nestea won his GSLs when he was 30, so there's plenty of time left! "This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it." -Ralph Waldo Emerson And while I don't know know for certain that playing on the KR server from the USA will help produce more NA champions... the alternative seems to be universally agreed as a worse practice environment. Just my 2 cents! I think it all comes down to money. In the end, Arizona has an extremely cheap(very very very cheap) housing market at the moment, and is in a decent place as far as flying around. Quite a bit of EG management lives either in AZ or the west coast. It was far cheaper to have the EG lair in AZ than anywhere else. Despite EG's pockets being deep, they still have to manage a budget. In the future, I'm sure they'd love to have a house on each major continent in great locations, but for the moment esports still is limited by money. One of the hardest things about the US training environment is it is really hard to get people near each other. EU kind of has Sweden as a good hub, and a couple of other places for players to come together. The US, funny enough, is much harder to move around in. Arizona was a nice cheap option, and EG took what they could. | ||
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pooMonger
United States30 Posts
So, instead of opting for the cheapest and most convenient housing location, perhaps EG might consider a tighter roster that lived in a US location that provided playable latencies to the KR server. I have a feeling that if you asked IdrA, Huk, or Thorzain on where the best location for a SC2 team-house in America would be, they might respond, "Anywhere that will be playable to the KR server." Geoff re-tweeted earlier, "It's kind of intimidating how much everyone practices at the EG house." -Zhang Jingna @zemotion But if the quality of the practice is not the absolute best possible, as in, on the KR server, I feel too strongly that the NA scene will never be able to catch up to the Koreans... Reading back on my posts, it appears that I'm harping heavily on the quality of KR server players, but I've been playing on it for the past 6 months or so and the difference is nothing short of the gap that we see between Koreans and most foreigners in every single tournament. The micro of a GM-level NA player would only amount to the micro-ability of a low-mid-master KR player. My dream is that 5 years from now, GSL Ultra Tournament (Grand Prize: $250,000) we see not just a 'foreigner' vs. Korean, but an American vs. Korean finals. How incredibly epic and awesome would that be? But as it stands, the trajectory we are on now doesn't seem conducive to such a dream from ever happening. So please please please, NA teams. Please focus on producing the best players possible, rather than compromising the practice environment to place any amount of focus on content production. The money we see now from advertisers would be peas relative to the money we would see if an NA player ever reached the GSL finals. I have a dream! | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On August 23 2012 16:19 pooMonger wrote: Geoff re-tweeted earlier, "It's kind of intimidating how much everyone practices at the EG house." -Zhang Jingna @zemotion But if the quality of the practice is not the absolute best possible, as in, on the KR server, I feel too strongly that the NA scene will never be able to catch up to the Koreans... You shouldn't equate the development of EG with the development of the NA scene. IMHO, one of the problems of the NA scene is that it FIRST selects few players THEN give them the resources necessary to compete. This results in the top placing Americans in major tournaments hardly changing. The fluctuation goes more into unknown players/players from small teams dropping out of the scene rather than some of them developing and rising to the top. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Lol so true. Not the first time I've seen that guys name pop in this kind of situation. | ||
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Scoop05333
United Kingdom55 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On August 22 2012 12:58 Hashbaz wrote: Posted this link to my audio feed as well at http://itg-audio.blogspot.com. Should be subscribable in iTunes using the RSS links found on the right. ^ You want this here. | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On August 23 2012 10:35 Biggun69 wrote: He also stated that the current team house location is much closer to tournaments, like MLGs for example, and it would be unrealistic to get a house further away from tournaments because of the costs and stuff. The lair just proves that you can't polish a turd, do you really think that if they exclusively practiced in Korea or on the KR server that they would be up there competing with the worlds best? Im not so sure. | ||
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hibbleton
Canada25 Posts
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