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Andtwo
Profile Joined June 2009
United States126 Posts
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#161
I have to admit I'm really impressed. I would like to see a casting archon instead of the solo casters.

The post game screen and animations are kinda neat too.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 01:59:53
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#162
On April 22 2011 10:57 Engore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:47 SKC wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:41 Dommk wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:29 Doodsmack wrote:
Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys.

It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting.

IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down.

That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show...


Honestly, this may be a little harsh, but does it really matter? What matters is what is more enjoyable and more succesfull. If NASL chose a system they cant handle and would be more sucessful with another system, it's their fault, and if they would attract more viewers as a smaller league, perhaps they shouldn't have tried to grow that big that fast. Still, they may fix a lot of things and stop looking this bad, so it may be too soon to say it was a mistake.

This. To the viewer, IPL blows NASL out of the water.


blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you..

it got turned off as soon as TB came on..


Heh i had to mute him so i could watch idra but not rage cause of terrible casting.


Really? I was the opposite lol >< Muted djwheat and instantly unmuted once I realized that they rotated the casters.

What do you find bad about totalbiscuit? Edit: oh never mind he has less experience with SC I think

Oh snap, the animations they have look like street fighter (the win animation ) and general awesomeness.
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#163
Simple format is best.
Quick transitions, nice graphics, good video/ audio. Simple, effective, and I love it.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#164
They should think about changing the name though. IGN Cheese League. Seems more appropriate. Good production though. Still going to watch NASL as well.
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qdenser
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada133 Posts
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#165
totalbiscuit is as annoying and clueless as ever
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viletomato
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada277 Posts
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#166
These casters are for the casual crowd. Sorry to say DJWheat and Totalbiscuit don't really add anything to the understanding of the game, they just cast whatever they see which isn't anything we already don't know (since we have eyes). They need to be combined with analytical casters (painuser) to make a good cast. All those that say the casting is good... I think what they mean is that their voices are good, have nice flow. but to me the casting is really sub par, NASL has much
more knowledgeable casters.
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FearGorm
Profile Joined July 2010
United States112 Posts
April 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#167
On April 22 2011 10:20 Poyo wrote:
I do love the street fighter theme, and its quite obvious professionals are behind the scene.

Very impressive.


Professionals indeed!
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 01:59:16
April 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#168
On April 22 2011 10:55 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:
Very nice from the IPL, but people trash talking the NASL are seriously getting out of proportion... not even GOM has this kind of production, and it's simple enough why: Rupert Murdoch. If you can't really see the difference that was to be expected between a Rupert Murdoch owned company and seven amateur esports fans, no matter how you try to spin it, what you're saying is that you want the NASL to fail. Unless what you're trying to say is that you want all media billionaires in the world to get into esports. In that case, I'm all ears as to how you're going to do it.

Still, we should keep being nice to the IPL so they spoil us more, that way even GOM may fear going down in the pecking order of the community, 'cause really, half of what keeps GOM up there is Tastosis


I would still consider the GSL to have superior quality in addition to the added excitement of being a live LAN tournament, but your point is fair.

GSL is still going to be the top dog though until someone can come up with a LAN tournament with a fantastic top player list and the production quality of the IPL.
GriNn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States243 Posts
April 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#169
Good production.

Dislike solo casting
Games not nearly as high-level as NASL.
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applejuice
Profile Joined October 2010
307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 01:59:57
April 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#170
Very good job IGN. NASL, hope you're taking notes.

But it does need two casters, of course. But for a test league, this is amazing.
Esper
Profile Joined May 2010
United States87 Posts
April 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#171
The production quality is superb. Going with caricatures was a great idea, looks clean and simple but professional. The solo caster isn't an issue considering TB's style of being a stream of verbal vomit for the entire duration of the match. It'd be weird if his flow was blown constantly. That being said I'm watching the show on mute because TB doesn't have a single thing to say that's of value if you're beyond platinum.
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 02:00:38
April 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#172
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:47 SKC wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:41 Dommk wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:29 Doodsmack wrote:
Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys.

It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting.

IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down.

That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show...


Honestly, this may be a little harsh, but does it really matter? What matters is what is more enjoyable and more succesfull. If NASL chose a system they cant handle and would be more sucessful with another system, it's their fault, and if they would attract more viewers as a smaller league, perhaps they shouldn't have tried to grow that big that fast. Still, they may fix a lot of things and stop looking this bad, so it may be too soon to say it was a mistake.

This. To the viewer, IPL blows NASL out of the water.


blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you..

it got turned off as soon as TB came on..

Casters aside... IGN looks like a broadcast and a tournament which was carefully planned, and with great effort put into it. It's like experienced, professional people did it.

NASL looks like it was planned and put together by a bunch of amateurs and everything about it was just sloppy.

Yeah sure, NASL's got the bigger prize pool and better players. But you gotta remember that this is IGN's first season which they've already said is just a preview for what's to come. NASL didn't bother with this and instead tried to get themselves into more than what they could handle.

It's pretty clear who planned better. Based on sheer potential alone, IGN looks like it has more potential to do well than NASL. Imagine next season when they'll have their qualification systems in place and more quality players are in.
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Stijn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands363 Posts
April 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#173
Take a look at the viewer count. TB is loved by many whether he appeals to you personally or not. Wheat is also a great caster and the IPL is so far amazing and noone can deny that it's making the NASL league terrible especially considering they're trying to charge $25 for their service.

Keep in mind that IGN is able to afford all this free service because they've got a huuuuge company backing the whole thing. NASL's funding isn't completely clear but it's obvious they don't have a huge name like IGN backing them, and hence really can't afford the same as the IPL, at least not for the same price.

Notwithstanding that NASL has its issues at the moment, but there's been enough debate about those I'd say
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Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
April 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#174
Everything is sooo nice when it comes to production. It doesn't sound like a radio call talking over a ugly laggy stream xD
Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
April 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#175
If IPL can manage to get a lineup like that of NASL, only then I feel it can compete. Production quality is important, super important, but we need to be honest its all about the games and the competition.
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#176
I'd rather have 1 entertaining seamlessly speaking solo caster then 2 awkward casters bumbling off each other. Still tastosis > all though.
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gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
April 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#177
I'll probably watch a few matches via VODs, but it really sucks that the results for the entire tournament were leaked.
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
April 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#178
You guys wanna criticize TB and DJ Wheat's game knowledge, but then you turn around and want "e-sports to grow". You do realize that e-sports won't grow if every cast is jam packed with a bunch of technical stuff or tips to improve your play? This style without the technical stuff is the only way you are going to ever appeal to a broader audience... period. SC2 is exclusive enough as it is
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#179
IPL is great quality. The only gripe I have is the quality of the games played aren't quite there, but I'm sure that will improve with following seasons as more and better players get into the league through qualifiers.

The other criticism I have is sole commentators are kinda dumb. That works for youtube channels, but for tournaments and leagues of this caliber, dual commentating adds more excitement and analysis to the game.

Other than that, everything else is amazing. Stream quality is flawless. I love the post-game summaries and the general production value of it all. It seems like something you could very likely see on TV. Overall I'm very impressed and would definitely pay for future leagues if they keep this up and/or improve it.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
April 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#180
I don't know what you guys are complaining about, but I think TB is awesome at what he does - just cast the game. Not every caster has to be Professor Analyst for it to work.
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