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Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 02:02:47
April 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#181
After trying really, really, really hard to find something critical to say about the IPL, I have come up with the following (if you can even call it a criticism):

I would love if they did a 2-man commentary team with one good play-by-play caster (e.g. TB or Wheat) and one analytical caster (e.g. Day9, Artosis, iNcontroL, etc. – pay them whatever they ask, it'd be worth it) rather than the somewhat monotonous solo casting.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
April 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#182
On April 22 2011 10:58 Z3kk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 10:57 Engore wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:47 SKC wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:41 Dommk wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:29 Doodsmack wrote:
Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys.

It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting.

IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down.

That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show...


Honestly, this may be a little harsh, but does it really matter? What matters is what is more enjoyable and more succesfull. If NASL chose a system they cant handle and would be more sucessful with another system, it's their fault, and if they would attract more viewers as a smaller league, perhaps they shouldn't have tried to grow that big that fast. Still, they may fix a lot of things and stop looking this bad, so it may be too soon to say it was a mistake.

This. To the viewer, IPL blows NASL out of the water.


blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you..

it got turned off as soon as TB came on..


Heh i had to mute him so i could watch idra but not rage cause of terrible casting.


Really? I was the opposite lol >< Muted djwheat and instantly unmuted once I realized that they rotated the casters.

What do you find bad about totalbiscuit? Edit: oh never mind he has less experience with SC I think

Oh snap, the animations they have look like street fighter (the win animation ) and general awesomeness.


Just dont like his personality honestly.
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Flameling
Profile Joined July 2010
United States413 Posts
April 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#183
Wow, I just looked at the stream after reading your post.. and I have to say I'm really impressed so far.
quentel
Profile Joined March 2011
349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 02:04:09
April 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#184
Wonderful quality on video, sound, A+ for everything besides TB as caster
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
April 22 2011 02:04 GMT
#185
On April 22 2011 11:00 Jayrod wrote:
You guys wanna criticize TB and DJ Wheat's game knowledge, but then you turn around and want "e-sports to grow". You do realize that e-sports won't grow if every cast is jam packed with a bunch of technical stuff or tips to improve your play? This style without the technical stuff is the only way you are going to ever appeal to a broader audience... period. SC2 is exclusive enough as it is


That's why you have a pair of casters, one who leads in analysis and one who leads in introductory information and play-by-play.

If you have a solely casual oriented caster, you're likely to put off the hardcore fans.

If you have a solely analytical caster you're likely to not be able to rake in newer casual audiences.

It's about balance.

Tastosis works, Day9 and DJWheat made a good pair too, it's about strong duos who can balance.
jermo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada46 Posts
April 22 2011 02:04 GMT
#186
IPL is simply amazing. As it's been said before - production value, stream quality, audio quality, etc... Not a big fan of TotalBiscuit but not a hater either, and I think it was a brilliant idea to rotate the casters. 10/10
Zomodok
Profile Joined September 2010
United States41 Posts
April 22 2011 02:05 GMT
#187
You know, I'm not a real big TB fan but at least he's not freaking Gretorp.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
April 22 2011 02:05 GMT
#188
The production quality is amazing, but in the end I turned it off and switched back to NASL. I just couldn't stand the casting. NASL has better players and prize pool, and in my opinion a better tournament format and casters (though they're far from perfect). IGN has a professional organization and production crew that actually knows what it's doing. Imagine what these people could do if they merged instead of trying to compete with each other.... Obviously nothing that doesn't require the players to all move to the same city and show up in person is going to reach the level of GSL, but they could actually create a really high-quality tournament. Instead, we have two tournaments that are extremely impressive in some ways and extremely lacking in others.
schlarp
Profile Joined February 2011
7 Posts
April 22 2011 02:05 GMT
#189
Perfect picture and sound. Awesome info graphics.

I just did a side-by-side comparison with NASL and the difference is just astounding.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
April 22 2011 02:05 GMT
#190
On April 22 2011 11:02 Engore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 10:58 Z3kk wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:57 Engore wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:47 SKC wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:41 Dommk wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote:
On April 22 2011 10:29 Doodsmack wrote:
Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys.

It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting.

IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down.

That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show...


Honestly, this may be a little harsh, but does it really matter? What matters is what is more enjoyable and more succesfull. If NASL chose a system they cant handle and would be more sucessful with another system, it's their fault, and if they would attract more viewers as a smaller league, perhaps they shouldn't have tried to grow that big that fast. Still, they may fix a lot of things and stop looking this bad, so it may be too soon to say it was a mistake.

This. To the viewer, IPL blows NASL out of the water.


blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you..

it got turned off as soon as TB came on..


Heh i had to mute him so i could watch idra but not rage cause of terrible casting.


Really? I was the opposite lol >< Muted djwheat and instantly unmuted once I realized that they rotated the casters.

What do you find bad about totalbiscuit? Edit: oh never mind he has less experience with SC I think

Oh snap, the animations they have look like street fighter (the win animation ) and general awesomeness.


Just dont like his personality honestly.


D'aww

I definitely think that the experience could be improved by having two commentators on at the same time. TB is a pretty good play-by-play announcer, but a color commentator to go with him would make IPL golden for me.
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
April 22 2011 02:06 GMT
#191
Good casting, good quality, no stream issues, cool score display, the minimap-thing along with portraits etc. between games is great and overall the production value is just awesome.
Looking forward to the start of the real IGN seasons.
Esper
Profile Joined May 2010
United States87 Posts
April 22 2011 02:06 GMT
#192
@Jayrod, you're 100% correct it's true that these play-by-play casters are much more accessible for the overwhelming majority of people, ESPECIALLY people who are not well versed in SC2. But for those of us who are it's a little painful...then again i'm sure that's how any sport + casters are
My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up!
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
April 22 2011 02:07 GMT
#193
On April 22 2011 11:00 Stijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
Take a look at the viewer count. TB is loved by many whether he appeals to you personally or not. Wheat is also a great caster and the IPL is so far amazing and noone can deny that it's making the NASL league terrible especially considering they're trying to charge $25 for their service.

Keep in mind that IGN is able to afford all this free service because they've got a huuuuge company backing the whole thing. NASL's funding isn't completely clear but it's obvious they don't have a huge name like IGN backing them, and hence really can't afford the same as the IPL, at least not for the same price.

Notwithstanding that NASL has its issues at the moment, but there's been enough debate about those I'd say


All NASL needs is the editor to change the encoding. That would greatly help reduce the lag on vods, the live stream and fix the audio problems in one fell swoop.
There's no S in KT. :P
Flameling
Profile Joined July 2010
United States413 Posts
April 22 2011 02:07 GMT
#194
Man... I really love that guys accent
Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1323 Posts
April 22 2011 02:07 GMT
#195
I totally agree, TB is an amazing caster.
The quality is insane too, this > NASL.
Sorry.
nope
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
April 22 2011 02:07 GMT
#196
Woot! I have tuned in for one game and I am in love with the IGN proleague. Keep it up! This great production!!!!! I love itttttttt.
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
April 22 2011 02:08 GMT
#197
On April 22 2011 10:25 VGhost wrote:
I think they could use another caster, but on the whole, great production quality.

Still waiting for an American league (not MLG "events") that can be a big enough draw to cast/produce live though.


MLG is the closest to that
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
April 22 2011 02:08 GMT
#198
Even IGN isn't perfect, they just played the Kiwikaki vs Stalife voiceover with Rootcatz vs LGagh on the screen.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
April 22 2011 02:08 GMT
#199
Non stop game lol
FearGorm
Profile Joined July 2010
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 04:16:12
April 22 2011 02:09 GMT
#200
On April 22 2011 10:55 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:
Very nice from the IPL, but people trash talking the NASL are seriously getting out of proportion... not even GOM has this kind of production, and it's simple enough why: Rupert Murdoch. If you can't really see the difference that was to be expected between a Rupert Murdoch owned company and seven amateur esports fans, no matter how you try to spin it, what you're saying is that you want the NASL to fail. Unless what you're trying to say is that you want all media billionaires in the world to get into esports. In that case, I'm all ears as to how you're going to do it.

Still, we should keep being nice to the IPL so they spoil us more, that way even GOM may fear going down in the pecking order of the community, 'cause really, half of what keeps GOM up there is Tastosis

Edit: ^^^ You know, some people don't want to know what you just said...


As has been said several times, this event was produced by the team at WellPlayed.org, which is not composed of employees of IGN. We are an entirely separate group.

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