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branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
March 25 2011 09:40 GMT
#381
Incontrol and Artosis are the first that spring to mind.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
March 25 2011 09:40 GMT
#382
I find all the criticism of artosis lol in this thread.

Watching other casters 99 percent of the time they just call what is seen or make blatantly obvious calls. Artosis actually makes predictions and is not casting pre seen replays either.

But seeing as how he is the only full time commentator to qualify for gsl, and do relatively well on kr ladder i would say he is far and away the best, then again i don't count the pro's that moonlight as commentators.
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link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
March 25 2011 09:42 GMT
#383
Artosis
Gretorp
Psy
InControl
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bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
March 25 2011 09:42 GMT
#384
And also the last vikings are horrible on ground comment came as 2 archons ripped apart 10 vikings so...
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bornslippy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia50 Posts
March 25 2011 09:49 GMT
#385
day9 vs artosis NOW !
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 25 2011 09:59 GMT
#386
Obviously it would be one of the professional players like Incontrol, Gretorp, or Sheth, but unless we create a rigorous league of competition specifically for commentators, there's really no saying (with good reason) that any of them are better than the others. The commentators who haven't secured any comparable tournament results really shouldn't even be in the running for "highest play skill level" though I'm sure legends like Day9 and Artosis could ascend to that level given full-time practice.

It's somewhat of an irrelevant consideration anyways because of the fact that no one can spend maximum time on both pursuits. Believe it or not, but time spent commentating improves one's commentary, and time spent playing improves one's play... moreso than it improves anything else. The best in the world usually won't be commentators, and the best commentators will probably not be bonjwas.
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Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
March 25 2011 11:00 GMT
#387
On March 25 2011 04:36 iNcontroL wrote:
lol

No it isn't.



How much did you two play eachother in Sc2 as of lately tho?
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Ksyper
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Bulgaria665 Posts
March 25 2011 11:11 GMT
#388
Incontrol atm, but I think PsY and Artosis are gonna catch up.
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
March 25 2011 11:44 GMT
#389
On March 25 2011 00:45 ShinyGerbil wrote:
it depends on who you consider a commentator. Gretorp and iNcontroL are very strong players but they aren't as committed to commentating as artosis. However, PsY and Artosis are perhaps the strongest players who are also top commentators. Day9 is a total dark horse, nobody knows what his real skill level is at so I wouldn't even bother discussing that.


that'S exactly right.

In my opinion RotterdaM is a pretty strong player too, considering he's primarily a commentator.
woofwoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada63 Posts
March 25 2011 14:15 GMT
#390
commentating doesn't make you a better player. Thats akin to saying commentating basketball is gong to make you a better basketball player. Yeah maybe you have an advantage on a 12 year old but against any real player who trains your commentating wont help you at all. We all love day9 but some people take too much of what he says as gospel
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
March 25 2011 17:56 GMT
#391
On March 25 2011 23:15 woofwoof wrote:
commentating doesn't make you a better player. Thats akin to saying commentating basketball is gong to make you a better basketball player. Yeah maybe you have an advantage on a 12 year old but against any real player who trains your commentating wont help you at all. We all love day9 but some people take too much of what he says as gospel


That's like saying that when you talk to your friends about the game and think deeply about the game that you won't become better. Your mechanics might not become better, but if you are making a shitty unit mix then execution isn't going to matter as much either.

Good analytical commentators play the game along with talking about the game with friends. Commentating a physical sport isn't the same as commentating a mental game, so the link between the two isn't coherent. Day9 talks broadly about the game and his BW background gives him an extra edge in understanding a similar game.
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Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
March 25 2011 18:11 GMT
#392
Artosis. He's a pretty good player and has a very strong knowledge of the game.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
March 25 2011 18:12 GMT
#393
Definately Incontrol if you count him as a commentator. Otherwise Artosis no contest. His knowledge of the game alone makes him a threat even if he needs to brush up on his mechanics.
Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
March 25 2011 18:17 GMT
#394
On March 25 2011 18:40 bigjenk wrote:
I find all the criticism of artosis lol in this thread.

Watching other casters 99 percent of the time they just call what is seen or make blatantly obvious calls. Artosis actually makes predictions and is not casting pre seen replays either.
There is a difference between making a prediction that is wrong and saying 'There is no chance he's coming back, some of you noobs at home might think that he can possibly come back if he does ... but trust me guys, there is absolutely no way.', after which he comes back.

Calling a game over is also not a prediction, saying what someone is going to probably do is.

Also, there's a lot more we criticized, like the fact that despite constantly preaching to go templar, he was unaware that one has to get armour before attack upgrades then, and the next week when obviously tonnes of people mailed him on it he was like 'Yeah, he gets armour before attack, that's what you have to do.' sounding all confident (I doubt he still understands the real reason).

Or the fact that he perpetuates popular myths about vikings which have no empirical backing whatsoever but are just sustained by the parroting effect.

Also, he has a tendency to call people good just because they win (winning is a lot about luck) instead of them actually being good and then trying to rationalise this. Come on, San isn't THAT good, he makes some good decisions, but also some bizarrely bad ones. But it's a cool story how he suddenly got that far.

But most importantly the fact is his analyses which are filled with shaky logic, it's like talking to a psycho-analyst, trying to find a connexion or pattern between simple things which may or may not be true.
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tGFuRy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
March 25 2011 18:23 GMT
#395
If day9 actually played then it would without question be day9...
Always a Gamer
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
March 25 2011 18:23 GMT
#396
On March 25 2011 05:16 JackDino wrote:
BiggerT

How did we all forget about him?

Clearly one of the most skilled to ever play the game, to think he ALSO had the time to cast is amazing.

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vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
March 25 2011 18:25 GMT
#397
On March 25 2011 00:47 emythrel wrote:he said on SotG he intends to once school is over


Actually what he said was that he "plans on doing sc2 fulltime". While I do want to see him play competitively, that could mean that he will become a fulltime commentator/promoter/esports organizer kind of thing, and if goes down that way he probably wouldn't have the time to become a top pro.

But who knows, hopefully it'll come out the way you said
Ethic
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada439 Posts
March 25 2011 18:26 GMT
#398
Uh guys? Tastosis? Archon is better than Templar.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 25 2011 18:28 GMT
#399
I think Sean could definitely be the best commentator/ player if he dedicated more time to playing. He was great at BW and that skill would definitely carry over.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
March 25 2011 18:37 GMT
#400
On March 26 2011 03:26 Ethic wrote:
Uh guys? Tastosis? Archon is better than Templar.
Lolnowhat.

Maybe better than a templar out of energy. In most situations a high templar with enough energy to perform a storm is worth more than an archon, of course, there are exceptions, like versus ultralisks or immortals or something.
Workers and town centres are the ultimate counter to turtles.
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