The same guy who made the Tasteless theme song finally came out with one for Artosis. I haven't seen him posting on Team Liquid so I thought I would make a thread.
The author is Kenashcorp on youtube. Very talented song writer and has a great love for the community so far!
This is how it all ends Tell your guinea pig friends That this man can't be ignored Don't step back on your word We all know what we heard Now swallow that damn sword
Cause San Zenith's a man and July's got a plan and MC is OP Let's repeat Season 3
When Huk tells you to hush You just 4 warpgate rush Keep trying, Leenock There's still cans to crush
Canadian bred The stats in his head, making me insane The patch notes tell of "nerfed colossus"? Here it goes again!
A R T O S I S Rollin' like a god damn baneling nest Strollin' cause he rocks that P v Z Ballin when he casts on GomTV
G S L he's M V P So come and spread your creep all over me Describe in one word? I M B A! BAM Tastosis everyday!
It's utterly tasteful How you make me feel And your wordplay and haircut would make young girls squeal Here's the deal We won't call you mermaid The day Idra types "GG well played"
We all love MKP and that baller Nestea It's a shame bit by bit Isn't on TV
When life deals you some fruit You make "Virus shake" The up and down's too much for me to take
The casting archon It goes on and on, making me insane The patch notes say "Queens cost no supply"? Here it goes again
(MY LIFE FOR)
A R T O S I S Rollin' like a god damn baneling nest Strollin' cause he rocks that P v Z Ballin when he casts on GomTV
(GSL, baby) G S L he's M V P So come and spread your creep all over me Describe in one word? I M B A! BAM Tastosis everyday!
A R T O S I S Rollin' like a god damn baneling nest Strollin' cause he rocks that P v Z Ballin when he casts on GomTV
G S L he's M V P So come and spread your creep all over me Describe in one word? I M B A! BAM Tastosis everyday!
I was waiting for someone to make a thread instead of me. Feels better that way B)
You probably want to follow the same format as the old thread of posting links to mp3s and bandcamp and whatever. Anyway, enjoy you lovely guys and gals of TL.net. If you guys spot mistakes in the lyrics, feel free to correct it. <3 <3 <3
Been waiting SO long for this ever since the chorus was sampled out (which was much faster btw) in the Tasteless thread!!!!!! (more exclamation marks!!!!!)
On March 16 2011 10:58 GrimAngel wrote: Glad artosis finally got his own theme song too! Sounds a lot different from the sample I heard a while back though still awesome! :D
No matter what I tried, I couldn't make it work. There were some days where I'd spend 12 hours on my guitars and synths and then just give up again and again because it just wasn't as good as TASTELESS. I think I went through 3 different revisions of the song before I got to this.
On March 16 2011 10:55 kenashcorp wrote: I was waiting for someone to make a thread instead of me. Feels better that way B)
You probably want to follow the same format as the old thread of posting links to mp3s and bandcamp and whatever. Anyway, enjoy you lovely guys and gals of TL.net. If you guys spot mistakes in the lyrics, feel free to correct it. <3 <3 <3
Yeah I wasn't sure if I should've asked you or not before I posted but I was just so pumped I needed to. Huge fan. Very high quality music that isn't just thrown together. Looking forward to more! ^ ^
oh my god this must be the song that sounds the best out of all the tribute songs professional stuff :D and the lyrics were damn funny, keep it up mate :D
On March 16 2011 10:53 Zim23 wrote: Haha wow, this song makes me feel weird inside.
Lol, me too ^^
This one's going straight to the ipod too! "Spread your creep all ooooover me" is now stuck in my head as well as "niiiiiick taaaaaeeeeessstless ploooooaaaoooaaahhht". Damn it.
On March 16 2011 12:09 Elegy wrote: Well, it's not quite as good as Rebecca Black's Friday, but it's close hehe ^_^
Keep up the amazing work!
Thats because Black's Friday is on another level, we are only mere mortals, who are going to be studying that song for years to come.
But yeah I love the song, hope Artosis shoutouts it tonight on gsl
Funny story, I was actually going to make a mock video of me singing that song. But then I realized that if I actually tried to sing it well, I would never compare to the beauty of Rebecca Black's voice...
On March 16 2011 12:32 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I love the swallow that damn sword reference nicely done
What's the reference to?
He said something along the lines of and I'm paraphrasing at the start of the GSL season "If San makes it out of this group I will swallow a sword. And not one of the straight ones one of those curvy ones."
So I watched a video that was related video to this one, Ret's 3rd try at Courage, where Ret plays against Hyung Joon. He called the inventor of Mutalisk Stacking and now one of the primary commentators for MBC a boy bander T.T
Kenashcorp makes consistently makes the best Starcraft-related songs. Only other person comparable is Tempo. Although I did like the style in the original sample better, but Kenashcorp said he just couldn't make it work for a whole song unfortunately.
On March 16 2011 13:24 Kazzabiss wrote: So I watched a video that was related video to this one, Ret's 3rd try at Courage, where Ret plays against Hyung Joon. He called the inventor of Mutalisk Stacking and now one of the primary commentators for MBC a boy bander T.T
Artosis I am disappoint
You know HyungJoon and Shark are 2 different people right? Also, amazing song! 10/10 would listen over and over again
On March 16 2011 10:52 Munk-E wrote: Tasteless lyrics were much better. Artosis music is much better.
I somewhat agree however, the lyrics are much more subtle in his song. I like the jokes, but at a same time Dan is just so very iconic, but very low key. He's not flashy, he's just a constant baller, so it's hard to make something very punchy like the Tasteless song in my opinion.
Wow, the lyrics are great, impressive work. edit : and the music/chant is top level too. Just impressive First time I want to listen a sc2 song again (for other than a laugh purpose)
Like I already said, I couldn't make the preview work. And I will admit, I really liked the fast paced preview as well.
Before I think about making a song for John (It'll be a short one if anything. No longer than 1:30), I've got a fair few commissions from various people to finish. That and I promised I'd make a song about my journey from 1-85 in World of Warcraft and I definitely still want to do that.
Either way, I'm just glad for the positive feedback that this song received and I hope I can continue to make the TL community, Blizzard Community and THE WORLD happy <3
On March 16 2011 23:37 kenashcorp wrote: Like I already said, I couldn't make the preview work. And I will admit, I really liked the fast paced preview as well.
Before I think about making a song for John (It'll be a short one if anything. No longer than 1:30), I've got a fair few commissions from various people to finish. That and I promised I'd make a song about my journey from 1-85 in World of Warcraft and I definitely still want to do that.
Either way, I'm just glad for the positive feedback that this song received and I hope I can continue to make the TL community, Blizzard Community and THE WORLD happy <3
In the back of my head I kept thinking "Oh man, when it is going to get funky up in here?" and it never came and that kind of disappointed me. Then I Listened to it without thinking that is coming, it is much better.
Just like they got Glider to do a portrait for TSL3 teaser video. They should hit this guy for making a song for the next TSL promo video. This guy has some skills. Probably spotlight worthy too.
I remember you posting a teaser for the lyrics quite some time ago, I remember me liking them better, but they wouldn't go well with the rest of the song if they were like that...
On March 16 2011 13:24 Kazzabiss wrote: So I watched a video that was related video to this one, Ret's 3rd try at Courage, where Ret plays against Hyung Joon. He called the inventor of Mutalisk Stacking and now one of the primary commentators for MBC a boy bander T.T
Artosis I am disappoint
You know HyungJoon and Shark are 2 different people right? Also, amazing song! 10/10 would listen over and over again
That's what he meant, Artosis called Shark just another boybander since he was around Hyungjoon :p
On March 17 2011 20:08 ABOOMAN wrote: 100/10 amazing lol
also encourage ppl to buy highQ version for 1$. This is sooooo well made :D
Although it's titled "low quality" for the free mp3, it's actually 128kbps, which isn't fuckawful. But yeah, if anyone complained too much, I'd put it back to the usual standard of 160kbps or 192kbps. I want people to pay if they REALLY like it or want to donate, but I also want people to have a good option of having it for free. Also, the free version doesn't contain lyrics, Album art and other nice stuff that makes it nice to look at on an iPod or whatever.
Either way, all donations and purchases so far are GREATLY appreciated <3 You guys have been so awesome ;3;
On March 17 2011 20:08 ABOOMAN wrote: 100/10 amazing lol
also encourage ppl to buy highQ version for 1$. This is sooooo well made :D
Although it's titled "low quality" for the free mp3, it's actually 128kbps, which isn't fuckawful. But yeah, if anyone complained too much, I'd put it back to the usual standard of 160kbps or 192kbps. I want people to pay if they REALLY like it or want to donate, but I also want people to have a good option of having it for free. Also, the free version doesn't contain lyrics, Album art and other nice stuff that makes it nice to look at on an iPod or whatever.
Either way, all donations and purchases so far are GREATLY appreciated <3 You guys have been so awesome ;3;
Your songs are awesome, but there's just one thing lacking:
At first I couldn't get over the differences between the previously released sample and the chorus of this song but after a few listens I have to deem this epicness. The trolling at the beginning always gets me smiling and the tune is just so mellow and chill. Really, really enjoy the track kenashcorp!
Polish. Generally speaking if it ends in -ski it's Polish and if it ends in -sky it's Jewish. Exceptions abound of course. And obviously there are and have been many Jewish Poles.
I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
On March 25 2011 12:43 Chicane wrote: I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
It's fine. It becomes increasingly hard to create a 3min song for one person. And besides, the GSL references make the song a lot more entertaining.
On March 25 2011 12:43 Chicane wrote: I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
I wrote two songs for Artosis. People also wrote songs about "Moss on the tree" and other "Artosis is ill" related songs. There are at least 5 songs for Artosis on Youtube including my two. Please don't criticize me for not including things that people have already sung about. I understand that it's not all about Artosis. Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
Other than that, I'm glad that you liked the theme. Sorry that two songs wasn't enough.
On March 25 2011 12:43 Chicane wrote: I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
I wrote two songs for Artosis. People also wrote songs about "Moss on the tree" and other "Artosis is ill" related songs. There are at least 5 songs for Artosis on Youtube including my two. Please don't criticize me for not including things that people have already sung about. I understand that it's not all about Artosis. Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
Other than that, I'm glad that you liked the theme. Sorry that two songs wasn't enough.
I am referring to the Artosis Theme song, not other songs. I don't think you should remove lines that would otherwise be perfect for an Artosis Theme song just because other people have mentioned it in some other song, especially if they would have worded it differently. I am obviously not suggesting that you copy lyrics so don't try to spin it that way.
In fact nothing in your song was the first time it was mentioned otherwise that wouldn't make sense that you are mentioning it (other than the Canadian part). I'm not sure why you are completely fine with singing about stuff that has been mentioned many times (on places like Reddit and TL)... but once someone mentions it in the form of a song it is automatically off limits (this of course is ignoring the very real possibility of mentioning many other things about him... possibly him trying to get into the NASL... getting Code A casters to replace him so he can play more... casting with Kelly which includes many things like the missed high five... which also brings up the missed high five with IdrA and a more specific reference to his imbalanced show... etc).
Again... my main point is this is the Artosis Theme song, so I feel that Artosis should have been the focus. That's my opinion and you can go ahead and disregard it since you are the one writing the songs and I am just giving feedback... but if anything I think a separate song for season 5 of the GSL would have been a better idea so you could get all that stuff out of the way and make the song more about Artosis.
I think some of the player references were fine especially if they are quotes from Artosis, but I just felt that at some point in the song that if it weren't for the chorus, I would just feel that it is a GSL season 5 song... which is completely fine if the song weren't intended to be an Artosis Theme. Am I not making valid points? This is constructive criticism with valid points... so don't get to frustrated with it. Clearly your tone was not polite at the end when you bolded the "Sorry that two songs wasn't enough" part. I am not saying you are doing a poor job or that I personally think the song was a waste or anything like that... it is just feedback which may be beneficial. Read and consider it with an open mind for future songs and it may help, even if you end up disagreeing.
Also... you said that the Tasteless song wasn't all about Tasteless either...
On March 26 2011 03:31 kenashcorp wrote: Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
PLEASE quote ONE line from that song that is not talking about him.
PLEASE quote ONE line from that song that is not talking about him.
But there's just one thing I'll never forget
There's just SO MANY BANELINGS
There's two for you.
He is saying that he won't forget how Tastosis says "SO MANY BANELINGS!!!" It is a memorable and very commonly repeated line from them and worth mentioning in Tasteless' song. It's more than just a quote... it's something they are associated with. Regardless I will give that one to you even though I disagree... any other ones? I didn't see any.
On March 25 2011 12:43 Chicane wrote: I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
I wrote two songs for Artosis. People also wrote songs about "Moss on the tree" and other "Artosis is ill" related songs. There are at least 5 songs for Artosis on Youtube including my two. Please don't criticize me for not including things that people have already sung about. I understand that it's not all about Artosis. Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
Other than that, I'm glad that you liked the theme. Sorry that two songs wasn't enough.
I am referring to the Artosis Theme song, not other songs. I don't think you should remove lines that would otherwise be perfect for an Artosis Theme song just because other people have mentioned it in some other song, especially if they would have worded it differently. I am obviously not suggesting that you copy lyrics so don't try to spin it that way.
In fact nothing in your song was the first time it was mentioned otherwise that wouldn't make sense that you are mentioning it (other than the Canadian part). I'm not sure why you are completely fine with singing about stuff that has been mentioned many times (on places like Reddit and TL)... but once someone mentions it in the form of a song it is automatically off limits (this of course is ignoring the very real possibility of mentioning many other things about him... possibly him trying to get into the NASL... getting Code A casters to replace him so he can play more... casting with Kelly which includes many things like the missed high five... which also brings up the missed high five with IdrA and a more specific reference to his imbalanced show... etc).
Again... my main point is this is the Artosis Theme song, so I feel that Artosis should have been the focus. That's my opinion and you can go ahead and disregard it since you are the one writing the songs and I am just giving feedback... but if anything I think a separate song for season 5 of the GSL would have been a better idea so you could get all that stuff out of the way and make the song more about Artosis.
I think some of the player references were fine especially if they are quotes from Artosis, but I just felt that at some point in the song that if it weren't for the chorus, I would just feel that it is a GSL season 5 song... which is completely fine if the song weren't intended to be an Artosis Theme. Am I not making valid points? This is constructive criticism with valid points... so don't get to frustrated with it. Clearly your tone was not polite at the end when you bolded the "Sorry that two songs wasn't enough" part. I am not saying you are doing a poor job or that I personally think the song was a waste or anything like that... it is just feedback which may be beneficial. Read and consider it with an open mind for future songs and it may help, even if you end up disagreeing.
Also... you said that the Tasteless song wasn't all about Tasteless either...
On March 26 2011 03:31 kenashcorp wrote: Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
PLEASE quote ONE line from that song that is not talking about him.
You're essentially telling me to rewrite the song because it wasn't all about Artosis. I agree that a lot of it was based off of current events, but I wasn't going to stick Idra's High 5, Kelly, Code A, Imbalanced, etc, because it's already been done. Mainly by me. In its own song. That's my justification for that stuff not being in there and there not being a lot else to lyrically fit into the song. I'm all for conscrit, but you're essentially just telling me that I should have made the same song twice.
On March 25 2011 12:43 Chicane wrote: I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
I wrote two songs for Artosis. People also wrote songs about "Moss on the tree" and other "Artosis is ill" related songs. There are at least 5 songs for Artosis on Youtube including my two. Please don't criticize me for not including things that people have already sung about. I understand that it's not all about Artosis. Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
Other than that, I'm glad that you liked the theme. Sorry that two songs wasn't enough.
I am referring to the Artosis Theme song, not other songs. I don't think you should remove lines that would otherwise be perfect for an Artosis Theme song just because other people have mentioned it in some other song, especially if they would have worded it differently. I am obviously not suggesting that you copy lyrics so don't try to spin it that way.
In fact nothing in your song was the first time it was mentioned otherwise that wouldn't make sense that you are mentioning it (other than the Canadian part). I'm not sure why you are completely fine with singing about stuff that has been mentioned many times (on places like Reddit and TL)... but once someone mentions it in the form of a song it is automatically off limits (this of course is ignoring the very real possibility of mentioning many other things about him... possibly him trying to get into the NASL... getting Code A casters to replace him so he can play more... casting with Kelly which includes many things like the missed high five... which also brings up the missed high five with IdrA and a more specific reference to his imbalanced show... etc).
Again... my main point is this is the Artosis Theme song, so I feel that Artosis should have been the focus. That's my opinion and you can go ahead and disregard it since you are the one writing the songs and I am just giving feedback... but if anything I think a separate song for season 5 of the GSL would have been a better idea so you could get all that stuff out of the way and make the song more about Artosis.
I think some of the player references were fine especially if they are quotes from Artosis, but I just felt that at some point in the song that if it weren't for the chorus, I would just feel that it is a GSL season 5 song... which is completely fine if the song weren't intended to be an Artosis Theme. Am I not making valid points? This is constructive criticism with valid points... so don't get to frustrated with it. Clearly your tone was not polite at the end when you bolded the "Sorry that two songs wasn't enough" part. I am not saying you are doing a poor job or that I personally think the song was a waste or anything like that... it is just feedback which may be beneficial. Read and consider it with an open mind for future songs and it may help, even if you end up disagreeing.
Also... you said that the Tasteless song wasn't all about Tasteless either...
On March 26 2011 03:31 kenashcorp wrote: Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
PLEASE quote ONE line from that song that is not talking about him.
You're essentially telling me to rewrite the song because it wasn't all about Artosis. I agree that a lot of it was based off of current events, but I wasn't going to stick Idra's High 5, Kelly, Code A, Imbalanced, etc, because it's already been done. Mainly by me. In its own song. That's my justification for that stuff not being in there and there not being a lot else to lyrically fit into the song. I'm all for conscrit, but you're essentially just telling me that I should have made the same song twice.
Nice assumption. I clearly said that this feedback may help you in future songs whether or not you agree with it. Quote me where I told you to rewrite the song? No where. If anything you are feeling that maybe some of my points are valid and it could have been better... so you are assuming I am telling you to redo it. Uh oh!! Time to get defensive about that! I said your song isn't perfect even though I said I liked it!
You are way too defensive. I can understand disagreeing with me... but that doesn't mean you have to put words in my mouth. You clearly aren't "all for conscrit" since you can't take it well.
On March 25 2011 12:43 Chicane wrote: I enjoy the song and I am not trying to be overly critical... but I think you should have talked more about Artosis if the song is his theme. Even if they are exact quotes from what he said in the GSL, the part "We all love MKP" to "The Up and Down's too much for me to take" felt so out of place and unnecessary. Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion. I personally didn't mind some of it like the first time (though it still felt out of place as you just kind of went off talking about other players) but later on it just didn't feel like a song about Artosis (once again... even if you were quoting him).
Also, I don't know why you put an inside joke in it when (from my understanding) Artosis doesn't even know it.
In short... sing more about Artosis in an Artosis theme song.
All that being said, it was catchy and I still enjoyed it.
I wrote two songs for Artosis. People also wrote songs about "Moss on the tree" and other "Artosis is ill" related songs. There are at least 5 songs for Artosis on Youtube including my two. Please don't criticize me for not including things that people have already sung about. I understand that it's not all about Artosis. Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
Other than that, I'm glad that you liked the theme. Sorry that two songs wasn't enough.
I am referring to the Artosis Theme song, not other songs. I don't think you should remove lines that would otherwise be perfect for an Artosis Theme song just because other people have mentioned it in some other song, especially if they would have worded it differently. I am obviously not suggesting that you copy lyrics so don't try to spin it that way.
In fact nothing in your song was the first time it was mentioned otherwise that wouldn't make sense that you are mentioning it (other than the Canadian part). I'm not sure why you are completely fine with singing about stuff that has been mentioned many times (on places like Reddit and TL)... but once someone mentions it in the form of a song it is automatically off limits (this of course is ignoring the very real possibility of mentioning many other things about him... possibly him trying to get into the NASL... getting Code A casters to replace him so he can play more... casting with Kelly which includes many things like the missed high five... which also brings up the missed high five with IdrA and a more specific reference to his imbalanced show... etc).
Again... my main point is this is the Artosis Theme song, so I feel that Artosis should have been the focus. That's my opinion and you can go ahead and disregard it since you are the one writing the songs and I am just giving feedback... but if anything I think a separate song for season 5 of the GSL would have been a better idea so you could get all that stuff out of the way and make the song more about Artosis.
I think some of the player references were fine especially if they are quotes from Artosis, but I just felt that at some point in the song that if it weren't for the chorus, I would just feel that it is a GSL season 5 song... which is completely fine if the song weren't intended to be an Artosis Theme. Am I not making valid points? This is constructive criticism with valid points... so don't get to frustrated with it. Clearly your tone was not polite at the end when you bolded the "Sorry that two songs wasn't enough" part. I am not saying you are doing a poor job or that I personally think the song was a waste or anything like that... it is just feedback which may be beneficial. Read and consider it with an open mind for future songs and it may help, even if you end up disagreeing.
Also... you said that the Tasteless song wasn't all about Tasteless either...
On March 26 2011 03:31 kenashcorp wrote: Tasteless was also not all about Tasteless.
PLEASE quote ONE line from that song that is not talking about him.
You're essentially telling me to rewrite the song because it wasn't all about Artosis. I agree that a lot of it was based off of current events, but I wasn't going to stick Idra's High 5, Kelly, Code A, Imbalanced, etc, because it's already been done. Mainly by me. In its own song. That's my justification for that stuff not being in there and there not being a lot else to lyrically fit into the song. I'm all for conscrit, but you're essentially just telling me that I should have made the same song twice.
Nice assumption. I clearly said that this feedback may help you in future songs whether or not you agree with it. Quote me where I told you to rewrite the song? No where. If anything you are feeling that maybe some of my points are valid and it could have been better... so you are assuming I am telling you to redo it. Uh oh!! Time to get defensive about that! I said your song isn't perfect even though I said I liked it!
You are way too defensive. I can understand disagreeing with me... but that doesn't mean you have to put words in my mouth. You clearly aren't "all for conscrit" since you can't take it well.
i dont even have to read the extreme amounts of text there is here to know you're being a jackass. pls go find something else to do :/ songs baller as fuck, bought it on itunes, thx yo :D
On March 26 2011 10:44 Chicane wrote: Nice assumption. I clearly said that this feedback may help you in future songs whether or not you agree with it. Quote me where I told you to rewrite the song? No where. If anything you are feeling that maybe some of my points are valid and it could have been better... so you are assuming I am telling you to redo it. Uh oh!! Time to get defensive about that! I said your song isn't perfect even though I said I liked it!
You are way too defensive. I can understand disagreeing with me... but that doesn't mean you have to put words in my mouth. You clearly aren't "all for conscrit" since you can't take it well.
I'm giving you a valid reason why more of what you suggested wasn't in there. I don't really know what else I can do, but I'm not going to make another theme song for Artosis. You make it sound like that's the only option, not some advice for the future of my songwriting. Once again, I'm all for constructive criticism, but writing two songs about the same guy, including a myriad of references in both and getting called out because it's "not enough" just makes me feel like the job I've done is slightly inadequate.
Like I said; There are two songs for Artosis. If you're not happy with the slew of references in both, then you're just not going to be happy of my style of not going for the obvious references all the time. It's one of the main reasons that the word "Grack" doesn't appear in either of Artosis's songs. It's been done to death.
If your idea of making my song better was putting in "So many banelings" again and again for a bridge or a soft refrain then you're probably not going to be happy with anything I make in the future either.
On March 26 2011 10:44 Chicane wrote: Nice assumption. I clearly said that this feedback may help you in future songs whether or not you agree with it. Quote me where I told you to rewrite the song? No where. If anything you are feeling that maybe some of my points are valid and it could have been better... so you are assuming I am telling you to redo it. Uh oh!! Time to get defensive about that! I said your song isn't perfect even though I said I liked it!
You are way too defensive. I can understand disagreeing with me... but that doesn't mean you have to put words in my mouth. You clearly aren't "all for conscrit" since you can't take it well.
I'm giving you a valid reason why more of what you suggested wasn't in there. I don't really know what else I can do, but I'm not going to make another theme song for Artosis. You make it sound like that's the only option, not some advice for the future of my songwriting. Once again, I'm all for constructive criticism, but writing two songs about the same guy, including a myriad of references in both and getting called out because it's "not enough" just makes me feel like the job I've done is slightly inadequate.
Like I said; There are two songs for Artosis. If you're not happy with the slew of references in both, then you're just not going to be happy of my style of not going for the obvious references all the time. It's one of the main reasons that the word "Grack" doesn't appear in either of Artosis's songs. It's been done to death.
If your idea of making my song better was putting in "So many banelings" again and again for a bridge or a soft refrain then you're probably not going to be happy with anything I make in the future either.
I really can't believe you are missing the point so much, but clearly you are not as open to feedback as you might think you are so I won't bother. I hope you have a lot of success thinking that everything you do is perfect and that changing it up in future songs would not be beneficial.
I don't really know what else I can do, but I'm not going to make another theme song for Artosis. You make it sound like that's the only option, not some advice for the future of my songwriting.
Well then you need to work on reading comprehension. I couldn't make it much more direct than saying it may help you in writing future songs. I wasn't even saying my opinion was correct, but that my view point may still help if you consider it rather than shrug it off as if I'm some asshole saying your song is terrible. I don't get why you don't understand that... and I know you still don't because I am just saying the same thing that I said before... I can't really get more direct than that.
If your idea of making my song better was putting in "So many banelings" again and again for a bridge or a soft refrain then you're probably not going to be happy with anything I make in the future either.
What? Where is this even coming from... wow. Seriously... where is this coming from? You think I am actually saying that you should keep saying "So many banelings" in the song? You make such terrible assumptions over and over, but of course everyone will defend you here because the fact is you did make a good song. Just use your head and think about what I am actually saying. You are so far off every time.
Also, I am not talking about the other song whatsoever so I don't care about the references in the other one.
Once again, I'm all for constructive criticism, but writing two songs about the same guy, including a myriad of references in both and getting called out because it's "not enough" just makes me feel like the job I've done is slightly inadequate.
This pretty much sums up why everything is going straight to your head. You claim that you are all for constructive criticism so you are basically saying to yourself "yeah... I'm pretty reasonable" and then when I make a comment you just feel like it's an attack since you already claimed that you are open to criticism yet you disagree with what I have said on too much of an emotional level.
Disagree all you want with me... and I am sure you will also disagree with this next statement... but you are terrible at taking constructive criticism. You can convince yourself that when someone says something like "I like this song but the Tasteless one was better" and you are fine with that, that you are automatically good at taking constructive criticism, but you are not. I did not attack you personally and I did not flame your song (in fact I said I liked it)... I simply mentioned ways that I felt could have improved it... because learning of people's opinions of your songs can help you improve in the future (please don't make me explain that again... hopefully that sentence alone makes sense).
On March 27 2011 03:17 TheSaddestPanda wrote: .... way to ruin a good thread about a nice thing with a silly arguement.
Agreed.
It's a shame that because someone didn't understand the references had to start making demands instead offering actual suggestions to fix it.
Apparently, abstract (and subjective) demands without offering any substance or concrete direction combined with negative tone equates to constructive criticism.
It's a well written song about Artosis' recent time casting the GSL
On March 27 2011 03:17 TheSaddestPanda wrote: .... way to ruin a good thread about a nice thing with a silly arguement.
Agreed.
It's a shame that because someone didn't understand the references had to start making demands instead offering actual suggestions to fix it.
Apparently, abstract (and subjective) demands without offering any substance or concrete direction combined with negative tone equates to constructive criticism.
It's a well written song about Artosis' recent time casting the GSL
Everyone really needs to settle down.
"someone didn't understand the references"
That was never up for debate. It was never about whether or not I understood the lyrics... it was about my opinion of them.
had to start making demands
WHAT!?!? Why do people keep making assumptions. I made no demands and I have made that very CLEAR (or so I thought). I said that it was my opinion and that I am fine with him ignoring my suggestions... I just offered my opinion... my god. Where did I make any demands? This is his song and I don't want to spend the time now, but I believe in my first post I said something along the lines of "and you can obviously ignore my suggestions if you'd like because you are the one writing the songs." How is that a demand? My god... you guys are crazy. You don't need to instantly defend him because I have an opinion about specific parts of the song... instead you can actually make valid responses to be discussed.
instead offering actual suggestions to fix it
I am not trying to "fix" the song... and I am not suggesting that he rewrite it. It is a very good song... and I have listened to it many times. That being said, my feedback was to POSSIBLY help improve future songs (sorry if someone thinks any song is absolutely PERFECT, but I don't think so) by offering another viewpoint. I was not just complaining or flaming the song... stop trying to make me look like such a bad guy for voicing an opinion in the interest of improvement.
If everyone here thinks there is absolutely no way the song could have been better then I can understand why this is all happening and no one will ever see my point of view. Feedback is given for improvement, and I feel that IN MY OPINION the song could have been better in some ways. If you think I am a human with rights then you should be able to see that.
Apparently, abstract (and subjective) demands without offering any substance or concrete direction combined with negative tone equates to constructive criticism.
I will quickly respond to the "demands" part again. I never implied that I felt entitled to the song being changed to how I felt would have been best. I offered my opinion... a separate view point... so that the song writer could see it and consider it, even if he eventually ended up disagreeing with it.
As for "without offering any substance or concrete direction" I actually did. I mentioned that I felt the song may have been better without so many recent events and also if it were to focus more on things about Artosis rather than his quotes. I then even provided some possible examples. How is there no substance there? Did you just skim what I had to say... decided I had some opinions against the song and realized that you had to argue against me? Come on. Please back up what you are saying with... something.
"with negative tone equates to constructive criticism" Yes I will admit it got a bit negative as I got more frustrated when people kept assuming things and putting words in my mouth. Getting frustrated doesn't help, but when people continually say things I never said and spin everything in another direction it gets a bit annoying, but I do apologize for the tone. That being said, I was not the only one with a negative tone, and I don't feel my original post had a negative tone (unless you feel that disagreeing with some of the lyrics in the song is... aka having a different opinion... is negative).
As for "ruining the thread" this is just a thread to discuss the song... it's alright to have this kind of conversation. I am not directly ruining the song, and my only intention was to post feedback here, which is what I figured the thread was for in the first place... whether it was to say I didn't like the song for whatever reason, or that I liked it. I actually ended up saying both.
That was never up for debate. It was never about whether or not I understood the lyrics... it was about my opinion of them.
You claimed they were out of place and unnecessary. How are lyrics about things Artosis has said in a song about Artosis out of place and unnecessary? It sounds like you didn't.
I understand it's your opinion that he could of picked different lyrics about Artosis, but the song isn't specifically about Artosis and kenshacorp didn't say it was specifically about who Artosis. You should read the description on the Youtube Video.
WHAT!?!? Why do people keep making assumptions. I made no demands and I have made that very CLEAR (or so I thought). I said that it was my opinion and that I am fine with him ignoring my suggestions... I just offered my opinion... my god. Where did I make any demands? This is his song and I don't want to spend the time now, but I believe in my first post I said something along the lines of "and you can obviously ignore my suggestions if you'd like because you are the one writing the songs." How is that a demand? My god... you guys are crazy. You don't need to instantly defend him because I have an opinion about specific parts of the song... instead you can actually make valid responses to be discussed.
Should = Demand
Could = Suggestion
Didn't you attack him for reading comprehension?
If you want to make a suggestion, you say "I think you could of ... and it would of been better", not "I think you should of ... and it would of been better."
I am not trying to "fix" the song... and I am not suggesting that he rewrite it. It is a very good song... and I have listened to it many times. That being said, my feedback was to POSSIBLY help improve future songs (sorry if someone thinks any song is absolutely PERFECT, but I don't think so) by offering another viewpoint. I was not just complaining or flaming the song... stop trying to make me look like such a bad guy for voicing an opinion in the interest of improvement.
If everyone here thinks there is absolutely no way the song could have been better then I can understand why this is all happening and no one will ever see my point of view. Feedback is given for improvement, and I feel that IN MY OPINION the song could have been better in some ways. If you think I am a human with rights then you should be able to see that.
If you're offer constructive criticism, you're attempting to fix the current mistakes. You highlight the problem and offer a solution. It has to be concrete. You can't say "remove the stuff I don't like and talk more about artosis", not only is that vague and subjective, but it isn't constructive.
I will quickly respond to the "demands" part again. I never implied that I felt entitled to the song being changed to how I felt would have been best. I offered my opinion... a separate view point... so that the song writer could see it and consider it, even if he eventually ended up disagreeing with it.
See above.
As for "without offering any substance or concrete direction" I actually did. I mentioned that I felt the song may have been better without so many recent events and also if it were to focus more on things about Artosis rather than his quotes. I then even provided some possible examples. How is there no substance there? Did you just skim what I had to say... decided I had some opinions against the song and realized that you had to argue against me? Come on. Please back up what you are saying with... something.
You offered an abstract suggestion: "Talking about Artosis himself rather than a bunch of players and recent GSL events would have been better in my opinion." So, things that specifically involve Artosis don't count? The song was about Artosis casting the GSL and the Up and Down Matches (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEZzcTiMFg).
"with negative tone equates to constructive criticism" Yes I will admit it got a bit negative as I got more frustrated when people kept assuming things and putting words in my mouth. Getting frustrated doesn't help, but when people continually say things I never said and spin everything in another direction it gets a bit annoying, but I do apologize for the tone. That being said, I was not the only one with a negative tone, and I don't feel my original post had a negative tone (unless you feel that disagreeing with some of the lyrics in the song is... aka having a different opinion... is negative).
It was negative from the start. If you consider saying "I liked it, but..." as a qualifier to take a condescending or aggressive tone, then you shouldn't offer "constructive criticism". I understand that you had the best intention, and I advocate that style of criticism, but it is by no means "constructive" if you don't offer concrete solutions / suggestions.
Wow. So if I agree with the fact that it's not as strong as Tasteless lyrically, it's all going to my head and if I argue for my own case of not reusing lyrics, it's all going to my head.
You know what? Go listen to "Cast that shit" by Rob Hustle, objectively look at the lyrics and tell me that what I did was really so bad that you had to create an essay about the fundamentals of my work ethic and mindset.
lookat boxer, you can maybe out fox him but you could never be better or ever out box him
where the toss at? man it makes me sad nexgenius lost hope and got tortured bad i love tester, but why he changed his name to ssks? wooord to-ya-mothership, huk, best of luck.
From the angle that you're approaching your critique, you're making it sound like I would throw in thousands of references to Day9 in a song about John or Destiny just because it's about Starcraft. If you wanted to divert me off of that path, I was never really on it in the first place.
I'm glad that people are still willing to discuss the song, but I'm more glad that nobody has said that the melody to the song sucks shit or that the mastering sucks shit. That's something I spent a lot of time working on from the feedback I got from Tasteless.
Once again, I'm sorry. I can't please everyone but I'm obviously trying hard to give everyone something that they can enjoy.
First to the other person who responded to my other post... none of it really had validity, but I'll easily respond to the most pointless comment of...
"Should = demand"
I think that you should play a game of starcraft.
Is that a demand? I used the word should in it. Hmm... yeah it's not. Anything in the context of an opinion (which is everything I said) is not a demand. If you interpreted it that way... I'm not sure what to tell you but I promise you I don't feel entitled as I have said many times... but I know that even though I said many things many times you still grasp on to your initial understanding rather than my repeated clarifications.
On March 27 2011 05:38 kenashcorp wrote: Wow. So if I agree with the fact that it's not as strong as Tasteless lyrically, it's all going to my head and if I argue for my own case of not reusing lyrics, it's all going to my head.
You know what? Go listen to "Cast that shit" by Rob Hustle, objectively look at the lyrics and tell me that what I did was really so bad that you had to create an essay about the fundamentals of my work ethic and mindset.
lookat boxer, you can maybe out fox him but you could never be better or ever out box him
where the toss at? man it makes me sad nexgenius lost hope and got tortured bad i love tester, but why he changed his name to ssks? wooord to-ya-mothership, huk, best of luck.
From the angle that you're approaching your critique, you're making it sound like I would throw in thousands of references to Day9 in a song about John or Destiny just because it's about Starcraft. If you wanted to divert me off of that path, I was never really on it in the first place.
I'm glad that people are still willing to discuss the song, but I'm more glad that nobody has said that the melody to the song sucks shit or that the mastering sucks shit. That's something I spent a lot of time working on from the feedback I got from Tasteless.
Once again, I'm sorry. I can't please everyone but I'm obviously trying hard to give everyone something that they can enjoy.
This is just a joke now...
I shouldn't have taken your word for it when you said you are for constructive criticism. It would be doing us both a favor if you could at least admit that. Maybe you can handle some, but much of it you can't.. which is honestly fine. I can't say I am the most easy going guy when it comes to some people pointing out flaws in things I have created.
I'm not even sure what you meant by that first paragraph... but for the second one... "and then tell me what I did was really so bad"
Holy hell. Read this next two lines clearly and slowly.
I enjoyed the song... however I felt like giving my feedback since feedback helps artists improve. I never thought that my opinion was right, or that the song was bad, but it was simply critique which is used to help someone improve.
I really don't know why you are getting so offended... honestly. Stop saying things like "OH YA?! WELL GO LISTEN TO THIS SONG AND TELL ME IF MY SONG SUCKS NOW!!" After I basically said "I like the song but I think if you changed the lyrics here it would have been better."
Again... if that is just too much for you to hear (which it might be, and there is nothing wrong with that) then I apologize, but you have to get used to hearing that kind of stuff if you will be posting your work publicly.
As for the paragraph after the quote... I don't even know where that's coming from... I think you are making even more assumptions now to the point where I can't follow it.
As for saying that you're glad that no one said that the melody sucks (I think it is very good... let me just make that clear right now) that is still something you have to prepare yourself to hear. Just because you spend a lot of time on something does not mean it is good. I know it can be hard to hear especially if someone says it in a rude way... but that goes back to taking criticism in the best way possible. It seems that if someone posted a completely legitimate comment about how they felt the melody wasn't good that you would not take it well, even if their intentions were pure. (RECLARIFICATION: I DID NOT THINK THE MELODY WAS BAD. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD.)
Once again, I'm sorry. I can't please everyone but I'm obviously trying hard to give everyone something that they can enjoy.
No need to pull out the "I'm sorry" stuff like I was actually saying something like "THIS DOES NOT MEET MY STANDARDS FOR A YOUTUBE VIDEO!!!" It's quite unbelievable that you still don't understand my intentions after all this time...
I'll try to leave it at this.
It was feedback. It was my opinion. I do not feel my opinion is RIGHT... but I feel my opinion may be useful for artistic growth (maybe I am wrong) I believe that feedback helps people improve. My feedback was an attempt to help you improve from seeing a different perspective (constructive criticism). I didn't not necessarily expect you to agree with the perspective, but simply view it. I do not think you should rewrite the song. I do not think I am entitled to tell you that you should rewrite the song even if I felt you should. I do not think I am entitled to make you follow any criteria for your future songs. I did not flame your song. I did not attack you personally. I do not think that the song is bad. I think the song is good. I enjoy it. I have listened to it many times and will continue to listen to it.
(Directed at anyone involved) Hopefully that is clear and concise enough. Hopefully everyone can read that and recognize those were and are my intentions. If you want to continue trying to interpret my tone or what I may have been implying from previous posts when I am telling you that you are misinterpreting it... then this argument is pointless for both of us.
On March 27 2011 09:32 Chicane wrote: First to the other person who responded to my other post... none of it really had validity, but I'll easily respond to the most pointless comment of...
"Should = demand"
I think that you should play a game of starcraft.
Is that a demand? I used the word should in it. Hmm... yeah it's not. Anything in the context of an opinion (which is everything I said) is not a demand. If you interpreted it that way... I'm not sure what to tell you but I promise you I don't feel entitled as I have said many times... but I know that even though I said many things many times you still grasp on to your initial understanding rather than my repeated clarifications.
Just because in your mind it doesn't sound like a demand, doesn't mean it isn't.
Should: must; ought (used to indicate duty, propriety, or expediency): You should not do that.
Just because you decide to qualify something with "I think..." doesn't exempt you from how to properly use a word. Your sentence should look like: "I want you to play a game of starcraft." Notice how I'm demanding and giving a sentence that places the emphasis on you rather than me?
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My feedback was an attempt to help you improve from seeing a different perspective (constructive criticism).
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(Directed at anyone involved) Hopefully that is clear and concise enough.
It seems you don't know how to use "constructive criticism" and "concise" either.
constructive criticism: addressed in previous post, you aren't offering it.
concise: brief, including all important information (it's hilarious you think you're clear and concise)
I think everyone just needs to channel a bit of Tyler and chill.
Ken has given us several songs now all for free and he puts in the time and effort to give back to our community. As a fellow musician I would welcome feedback but dont bash it into the poor guy. For everyone complaining about lyrics and such, why dont you just enjoy the song for what it is.
I challenge any of you to do a better job then Ken. Until then, just chill everyone.
And my 3000th TL comment goes to this thread, because of Ken's amazing ability to produce flawless songs. Please keep it up
I think the current arguing needs to stop Chicane has made himself clear on what criticisms he has, and everyone else has made themselves clear as well. We don't want such a good thread to spiral out of control (or people getting banned) because of a great song that got turned into a flame war.
Anyways. I think the lyrics are incredibly witty, and I can't help but snap along to the beat. I'd clap instead, but I think I'd crash my car...
And thanks for making the downloads free From listening to it so much, I know all the Tasteless lyrics, and now I've gotta get this one down!
Ken, any idea which player you'll be singing about next? I remember in an older thread, you spoiled us with the "A-R-T-O-S-I-S..." chorus for this song (though it was a faster beat) and I was pretty excited to hear the finished product.
You guys have placed me in a funk where I need a little feedback off of previews. What I had was mostly positive so far, but obviously I want you guys to check it out too.
On March 29 2011 08:38 kenashcorp wrote: You guys have placed me in a funk where I need a little feedback off of previews. What I had was mostly positive so far, but obviously I want you guys to check it out too.
On March 29 2011 08:38 kenashcorp wrote: You guys have placed me in a funk where I need a little feedback off of previews. What I had was mostly positive so far, but obviously I want you guys to check it out too.
SO, just as with Artosis, here's the next (and possibly final with the exception of MAYBE John) instalment of the Starcraft songs...
Real nice. Everything you do is so sick.
Just make sure your lyrics somehow inspire a good deal of uncomfortableness/rage so that people on the forums can complain about your awesome songs, and it might be able to live up to your Tasteless/Artosis songs ^_^
On March 29 2011 08:38 kenashcorp wrote: You guys have placed me in a funk where I need a little feedback off of previews. What I had was mostly positive so far, but obviously I want you guys to check it out too.
EPT![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/b/b7/Artosis.gif)
Chicane has made himself clear on what criticisms he has, and everyone else has made themselves clear as well. We don't want such a good thread to spiral out of control (or people getting banned) because of a great song that got turned into a flame war. 
