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I don't think change is a bad thing. And change always comes with problems because the new component has to adapt to the rest of the entity. As such, I welcome the new caster.
But to be fair, I agree with most of the people having trouble following her. Her pronunciation makes me understand the sentence only when the next phrase has already begun. It's obstructive to following her train of thought.
Actually, I don't think it's a part of her "accent". She just didn't learn the language right. I myself am not a native english speaker, but I imitate the sound of the foreign language as best as I can, which normally has me mistaken as a Canadian (don't ask me why). As opposed to an accent that is really hard to lose, I see the problem in a lack of attention she commits to the english language in general. She should start comparing her pronunciation to that of her cocaster and she would instantly realize what makes her hard to understand. And if this is true, I can see Kelly being a formidable caster in the time to come.
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On February 22 2011 04:40 noD wrote:
Cant they just pay her an english class ?
Losing accent doesnt seem that hard (im not native english speaker too)
When you dont come in contact with a language before you are twelve years old its impossible to ever learn the language without a accent.
She did very well. cant wait till she and tasteless are kissing and the camera goes "accidentaly"from the game to them xD
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I am not native English speaker and only been living in Canada for 5 years but I understand with ease. I just don't understand the hate >.< Also great props to Tasteless being a gentleman and encouraging her to do a better job and keep getting better. Really, Tasteless is the man !!!
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why is such an unprofessional caster invited to the gsl i mean there are plenty other casters which are ways better
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On February 22 2011 05:07 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:54 jamesmax wrote:
I paid for every season and will continue to support the gsl for now but I am extremely dissapointed in there choice for a new caster. Her knowledge is basic at best which is fine they obviously hired her to explain the basic parts of the game but I just can't stand listening to her, something happens and a bunch of jibberish comes out. Calls a third a "turd" and the "da". It's too annoying I'll just carry on with it muted =_=. Dude don't talk about Tasteless like that. (Seriously) Do you ever pay attention? Tasteless almost always explains the boring basics even with Artosis there. I can't remember the number of times he has told me why they wall off or how he is a pro cause he knows the depot can be lowered and he shows all his nub friends. All the fanboys need to realize that they are in love with Tastetosis need to realize that even they are not perfect, and they don't always have something to say, and their jokes aren't always funny.
I didn't bash tasteless I said that the basics is the job of that section not that I particularly care for there commentary either anyways but it is definitely at a level that she can never reach I mean there is no way she was the most qualified applicant I don't believe that for 1 second.
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kelly milkies was a fantastic dota caster, i expect her to to do well in sc2.
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My biggest problem with her is how almost every time she made a "joke" it went along the lines of. "And ___ was like ____"
ex. "The hellions were like, no I don't wanna go there! And the marines were like, ahh! Run away!!" She says "like" way too much. Plus her voice just sounded obnoxious...almost ear piercing.
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I watched the first game of HuK vs Curious and wasn't impressed by her casting. I'm not here to bash on her and say that she is terrible or anything, but I just didn't think she was a GSL quality caster by any means.
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First i was sceptical, but she actually has more game-knowledge than Artosis, so im completely fine with it.
if you are doing so, you really can't judge someone's game knowledge just from the very few things they say when they commentate...
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On February 22 2011 04:34 eek wrote:
I'm pretty sure I almost facepalmed when she called hellions "race cars." Calling a spine crawler a sunken colony isn't nearly as bad. I can't wait for her to call a marine a G.I. Joe next.
Let's be honest, the people complaining aren't hating her because she's a non-native English speaker. We're criticizing the decision for GOM to put a non-native English speaker who has a limited understanding of the game at its highest level as a professional English language caster in the premiere SC2 event. If she was an emergency replacement caster, no one would post any serious complaints. Instead, she was deliberately chosen to be the caster for all of Code A. Frankly put, a caster only needs to be able to do two things. He needs to accurately analyze and describe the on-screen action, and he also needs to do so in a clear and pleasant manner. Under these criteria, I'm almost positive there are several more qualified casters available who would have jumped at the opportunity. Based on this assumption, I can only assume they chose her because either it was more cost efficient for them to hire and fly her to Korea, or they believed that a female caster would've been more popular.
I facepalmed that you didn't realize that was a joke. Of course she knew it is hellion. In the beginning of the match, she had a long talk how in tvt currently players favor using hellions a lot more, and then talk about doing blue flame hellion drop which Curious indeed did,..... I don't have problem with calling hellion racecar. Chinese usually bastardize names of things for the sake of simplicity. Ultra = cow, zergling = dog, muta = dragon, scv = farmer,.... That's the way they are, they even say it on official televised casts and stuff. Saying that makes the game more personal, easy for newbie, and fun. They don't care about some random x-men guy having their name on a car. I'm not saying she bastardize the name, it's obvious a joke.
And English is Singaporean native language. And I'm sorry if you're unable to understand her accent, but American, Australia, European accents are only few of dozens English accents in the world. American accent isn't even as popular as Indian's as a matter of fact.
If you have something to say about her game knowledge, show us, don't just say it in general. I don't find her game knowledge terrible. She does play-by-play well and analyze situations fine oo (not as well as artosis ofc, but so what, how many casters you know that are better or on par with him)
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On February 22 2011 05:54 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:34 eek wrote:
I'm pretty sure I almost facepalmed when she called hellions "race cars." Calling a spine crawler a sunken colony isn't nearly as bad. I can't wait for her to call a marine a G.I. Joe next.
Let's be honest, the people complaining aren't hating her because she's a non-native English speaker. We're criticizing the decision for GOM to put a non-native English speaker who has a limited understanding of the game at its highest level as a professional English language caster in the premiere SC2 event. If she was an emergency replacement caster, no one would post any serious complaints. Instead, she was deliberately chosen to be the caster for all of Code A. Frankly put, a caster only needs to be able to do two things. He needs to accurately analyze and describe the on-screen action, and he also needs to do so in a clear and pleasant manner. Under these criteria, I'm almost positive there are several more qualified casters available who would have jumped at the opportunity. Based on this assumption, I can only assume they chose her because either it was more cost efficient for them to hire and fly her to Korea, or they believed that a female caster would've been more popular. I facepalmed that you didn't realize that was a joke. Of course she knew it is hellion. In the beginning of the match, she had a long talk how in tvt currently players favor using hellions a lot more, and then talk about doing blue flame hellion drop which Curious indeed did,..... I don't have problem with calling hellion racecar. Chinese usually bastardize names of things for the sake of simplicity. Ultra = cow, zergling = dog, muta = dragon, scv = farmer,.... That's the way they are, they even say it on official televised casts and stuff. Saying that makes the game more personal, easy for newbie, and fun. They don't care about some random x-men guy having their name on a car. I'm not saying she bastardize the name, it's obvious a joke. And English is Singaporean native language. And I'm sorry if you're unable to understand her accent, but American, Australia, European accents are only few of dozens English accents in the world. American accent isn't even as popular as Indian's as a matter of fact. If you have something to say about her game knowledge, show us, don't just say it in general. I don't find her game knowledge terrible. She does play-by-play well and analyze situations fine oo (not as well as artosis ofc, but so what, how many casters you know that are better or on par with him)
Well yeah those accents are propably more spread but that doesn't mean that it is nice to listen to them actually it is pretty horrible. So what do you want to say with that?
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On February 22 2011 05:24 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:50 xza wrote:
Kelly: Tasteless, how come the zerg didnt spread creep?
Tasteless: I dunno.
me: the fuck should he know, stupid question deserves stupid answer. Actually, this was a valid question. Losira had 3 queens and, at 10 minutes in, his creep spread was horrendous. It was a totally legit question/observation. Do you play this game? Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:50 xza wrote:
kelly: the zerg pretty unique, hes using zergrings.
me: what? You completely butchered her comment and intention. She said Losira is an interesting Zerg because he favors a large amount of lings rather than the standard early-mid game roach transition. Please don't be a reductive and malicious moron in the future. I'm not the biggest Kelly fan in the world but your post made me cringe.
I agree completely, sooo many people are bashing her game knowledge. Yeah she is no artosis, but she is better than most of the scrub casters on youtube. Example crota, who anytime he saw 2 rax opening thought the terran was going to scv marine all in. I think she is just misunderstood sometimes so people think she doesnt know what she is talking about. Maybe I'm giving her the benefit of doubt, but really her game sense is pretty good and it can only get better from here. She definitely needs to work on talking slower.
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The scope of the job is to efficiently pronounce and articulate English words. She can't do either of those and bottom line it deters from the cast. Also she has very limited knowledge of the game.
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On February 22 2011 06:14 WTL wrote:
The scope of the job is to efficiently pronounce and articulate English words. She can't do either of those and bottom line it deters from the cast. Also she has very limited knowledge of the game.
What is this VERY limited knowledge, can you provide examples?
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On February 22 2011 05:31 Sclol wrote:
why is such an unprofessional caster invited to the gsl i mean there are plenty other casters which are ways better
Because she is a girl. Im just being honest.
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On February 22 2011 06:16 Kvothe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 06:14 WTL wrote:
The scope of the job is to efficiently pronounce and articulate English words. She can't do either of those and bottom line it deters from the cast. Also she has very limited knowledge of the game. What is this VERY limited knowledge, can you provide examples?
Only if you acknowledge the first part of my criticism as correct instead of avoiding it.
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i tot she was berry berry goot.
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On February 22 2011 06:21 WTL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 06:16 Kvothe wrote:On February 22 2011 06:14 WTL wrote:
The scope of the job is to efficiently pronounce and articulate English words. She can't do either of those and bottom line it deters from the cast. Also she has very limited knowledge of the game. What is this VERY limited knowledge, can you provide examples? Only if you acknowledge the first part of my criticism as correct instead of avoiding it.
If you actually did some reading, you would notice the post right above yours also happens to be mine, where I conceded she definitely needs to talk slower. I understand her perfectly, but english is my first language so I can understand how some might not be able to. So now lets hear these examples.
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kelly do us all a favor and just fly back from wherever u came from.
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On February 21 2011 18:43 netherDrake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 18:37 Wilko wrote:
Her accent isn't worse than SuperDanielMans and he was the best caster on Gom-TV yet in my opinion
First i was sceptical, but she actually has more game-knowledge than Artosis, so im completely fine with it Are you joking?
more game-knowledge than artosis? you do understand that artosis not only plays sc2 with the higher tier players/qualified for the gsl, he was also a pretty good broodwar player. He brings knowledge from both the games that he excelled in and amalgamates them.
to be honest, I have nothing to say about kelly except... *face palm* (and that she sits so far away from tasteless, it looks kinda awkward).
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