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About this week Plexa's PvZ post and liquipedia

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evilK
Profile Joined July 2009
Spain34 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 00:39:43
November 14 2010 00:35 GMT
#1
As a Toss player, this post has been more useful to me this week that all the Liquidpedia or other methods alltogheter:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167992

And its not only because the information in the post is really good and correct, its also because it speaks about what is really relevant about the game, it speaks exactly about the kind of thing i'm looking for when i enter on a strategy forum: the "state of the art" of the match up as a whole, the whole picture, early, mid and late game with the principal standard branches. The way the match should be played.

This kind of information is exactly what i want to find in the Liquidpedia. It's really a shame that post like this are rapidly lost in the forums, that there not exist a "static" place where i can search for this kind of information

I'm not a kid anymore (are like me i know there are tons of gamers on TL), and nowadays, I just don't have all the time i used to have for play a ton of games, to see the GSL or to search throw the forums for the latest metagame changes. I just need a way to rapidly know what i'm suposed to do in a given match. I promise that i don´t mind loosing when playing SC2 seruiously. What i hate is to not understand what's going on, seeing my replay from my last defeat and don't having a clue about what i should have done different.

TL i would even pay (paypal way, micropayment (a buck or like that))for a weekly support of a quality written version of the "state of the art" of every match up, in the way that this Plexa's post is written (maybe a bit more detalied, or with a few recomender replays). And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 14 2010 00:38 GMT
#2
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
November 14 2010 00:41 GMT
#3
They should either integrate it into liquipedia's PvZ section (cause right now it's pretty bad) or sticky it.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
evilK
Profile Joined July 2009
Spain34 Posts
November 14 2010 00:47 GMT
#4

But what i want to highlight is that is the great about the Plexa post is not ONLY the information, its the FORMAT, is the way of talking about the match up as a whole. We really need that on the liquipedia or in other place if you want, but it should be a "static place".

Sticking a non comentable post about the state of the art f each match up could do the trick, but probably adding it on a special place on the liquipedia would be even better.

Oh, and I didn't say it in the first post but is pretty obvious: terrific post Plexa
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 01:06:47
November 14 2010 00:59 GMT
#5
Well the BW section has sections on the development of each match up. And its rediculously detailed. The only issue is that BW is generally established with few blips on the radar here and their. But SC2 is rapidly evolving especially with the constant patching.

Heck i went from full mech to mass marine TvZ. Just trying to keep up with each matchup is difficult, let alone finding the time to write articles.

This would be nice but once the match ups are more established. Especially for terran.

The Terran guide would be:

TvP
Maruaders. Protoss 4 gates. Maruaders. Protoss build DTs. Maruaders.Protoss expands. Build More Maruaders. Protoss Mass Carriers with a MotherShip. BUILD MORE FRIKKIN' MARUADERS. Hey whats the factory for? Building Stuff that not Maruaders.

TvZ
Pretty much the same thing but replace Protoss units with Zerg units and Maruaders with Marines,
BUILD MORE FRIKKIN' MARINES.

Hopefully since the GSL is over Blizzard can speed up with the patching.

Not saying its bad to write these articles (Thanks Plexa for Caring) but its not that useful especially for the Terran Matchups. Which as described above. Pretty Stale.
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QuantumTheory
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
November 14 2010 01:02 GMT
#6
Exactly what I was thinking!

Plexa has helped me to understand the matchup a LOT more and I'm finding Zerg to be my best matchup outside of PvP. Thank you Plexa, your post was AWESOME. Please make more, it was very very well written.
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
November 14 2010 01:06 GMT
#7
how can you make this into a thread about terrans being to strong?

b2t yeah i think liquidpedia needs some rework and more people who are contributing or something.
most of the builds are outdated and stuff
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 14 2010 01:15 GMT
#8
plexa's posts are always amazing. I wish that TL had a better way to highlight good posts in the midst of how much traffic there is currently on tl
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SyyRaaaN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden136 Posts
November 14 2010 01:29 GMT
#9
On November 14 2010 09:35 evilK wrote:
TL i would even pay (paypal way, micropayment (a buck or like that))for a weekly support of a quality written version of the "state of the art" of every match up, in the way that this Plexa's post is written (maybe a bit more detalied, or with a few recomender replays). And i'm sure i'm not the only one.



This must be a generation issue. So willingly wanting to pay for content that has been for free for ages.

A nice writeup by Plexa I must admit, thx for the link was a nice read.
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evilK
Profile Joined July 2009
Spain34 Posts
November 14 2010 01:33 GMT
#10
The concept would be somethig as easy as pasting the Plexa's post in :

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/General_PvZ_Strategy

Then, mantaining the style and especially the format (that holistyc approach of the machup), and make something similar for the other machups.

Making little corrections/upgrades every week or even two weeks would do the trick. That would be incredibly useful, especially for players who can't spend too much time on the game, but love the game anyways and don't want to stop playing it because their lives are getting busier or more "complicated"
evilK
Profile Joined July 2009
Spain34 Posts
November 14 2010 01:37 GMT
#11
This must be a generation issue. So willingly wanting to pay for content that has been for free for ages.


I know the information is there, but nowadays, as many adults, the problem in my life is not money, its time. If i have only four o five hours a WEEK to spend in the game, i want to spend them playing it, not struggling in the internet for gathering metagaming issues. I just want to have the option for exchange a bit of my money for TIME, for a quality synthesis of what is out there.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
November 14 2010 02:40 GMT
#12
Liquipedia's strategy section sucks because it's mostly incomplete, the editors aren't good enough to be authoritive on strategies, and often the strategies themselves have become obsolete. I've told them to at least put a time stamp on these articles so you know if you're reading something from a recent patch or from the beta, but no... Also the annoying build order pages where the build orders (what the pages are all about) are hidden in spoilers.

And I agree that Plexa's post is worth $$. Young gamers have time but not $. Adults have $ but little time.
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