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Good game, i hope Boxer keeps practicing and starts playing in maior tournaments.
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On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that.
Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess?
If you do, your are a stupid asshole.
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On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole.
How is the comparison even similar?
How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys?
How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play?
Clearly, there is much to learn from watching better players than yourself duke it out, but if you can't even figure out for yourself what it is that made them lose, then what exactly are you taking out of it?
You keep rocking those blinders.
fighting!
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@BentoBox: What you say has its merit, but keep in mind that the only commentators worth listening to are those that are very skilled at the game themselves and have an excellent understanding of the niceties of sc2 play, so that they can see what we cannot and explain it to us.
Just in regards to Day9 for example: 'Day[9] has been rated A+/A on ICCUP/PGT on multiple accounts over multiple seasons, has qualified for the WCG USA finals 7 times, has qualified for the WCG Grand Finals 3 times, and won the Pan American Championship in 2007.' He's a brilliant commentator not just because he's fun, but because he's damn good at the game.
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On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play?
Day9 isn't a 50 game, plat league noob.
Just listen to Artosis's up most respect for Boxer's play, if anyone has any credentials to critique Boxer's play it'll be Artosis, but all had was respect and admiration.
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Damn it, I wanted criticize Justin Bieber but I haven't sang as much as him :'(
Oh noes! My new $500 gadget is defective. Since I can't make stuff like that, I should just stand back and appreciate that it happened.
idra/boxer made some mistakes. Too bad I can't say sh*t since I am not even close to them in SC2.
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I know he was good at BW. I do not believe he is spectacular at SC2 but that's besides the point.
Fact: Boxer failed at preventing creep spread.
Am I not entitled to make this remark because of my lacking credentials?
On October 02 2010 17:25 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? Day9 isn't a 50 game, plat league noob.
Are we counting games now? Or is this a poor attempt at trolling?
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On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play?
Because with starcraft sometimes u just don't understand whats going on. I saw some idiot on youtube commenting on this video and implied they were both noobs for not going air units.
THAT is a prime example of why low- mid level players can't critique.
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On October 02 2010 17:26 BentoBox wrote:
I know he was good at BW. I do not believe he is spectacular at SC2 but that's besides the point.
Fact: Boxer failed at preventing creep spread.
Am I not entitled to make this remark because of my lacking credentials?
He obvious made the strategic decision to invest his energy into mules, rather than scans. Are you going to get into a debate on validity of his strategic decision?
If he had used the energy on scans to kill the creep he would have been low on minerals and thus units/buildings, then you'll come along and say something like "Fact: Boxer failed to build units."
Lolz...
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On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play?
The comparison is similar, these pro players do lots of things for reasons unknown to you, some building placements or unit compositions may look bad to you but there's probably more thought behind it then you could even imagine.
Although you are free to comment whatever you think about either player, you can't expect people to take your newbie opinion seriously.
Also, Day 9 has way more experience in competetive RTS than you give him credit for. He's definately a top player in the sense of being able to objectively critique ones play, he was the top US Zerg in BW.
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On October 02 2010 17:29 Rikstah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? Because with starcraft sometimes u just don't understand whats going on. I saw some idiot on youtube commenting on this video and implied they were both noobs for not going air units. THAT is a prime example of why low- mid level players can't critique.
The validity of a mid level player's comment doesn't simply lose all validity because of an anecdote you recall concerning a misguided youtube comment.
On October 02 2010 17:29 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:26 BentoBox wrote:
I know he was good at BW. I do not believe he is spectacular at SC2 but that's besides the point.
Fact: Boxer failed at preventing creep spread.
Am I not entitled to make this remark because of my lacking credentials? He obvious made the strategic decision to invest his energy into mules, rather than scans. Are you going to get into a debate on validity of his strategic decision? If he had used the energy on scans to kill the creep he would have been low on minerals and thus units/buildings, then you'll come along and say something like "Fact: Boxer failed to build units." Lolz...
Why is it obviously a strategic decision and not a case of a good player simply overlooking a fundamental aspect of the game (which still happens very often in high level games)? Can you explain this to me? Obviously, your experience has granted you an all-comprehending eye able to read minds. Teach me your ways.
On October 02 2010 17:30 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? The comparison is similar, these pro players do lots of things for reasons unknown to you, some building placements or unit compositions may look bad to you but there's probably more thought behind it then you could even imagine. Although you are free to comment whatever you think about either player, you can't expect people to take your newbie opinion seriously. Also, Day 9 has way more experience in competetive RTS than you give him credit for. He's definately a top player in the sense of being able to objectively critique once play, he was the top US Zerg in BW.
My comment about Day9 was a direct reply to someone arguing that not being a top200 player invalidated any argument you might have regarding play at said level. I know about his past accomplishments.
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hope that he play more, and soon we will see the old boxer
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On October 01 2010 07:58 aPsychonaut wrote:
MIND = BLOWN
i hope i can speak free here.
after watching around 500 VOD, tons of replays and played hundrets of games.. for me this is medium fun to watch.
1 quality was really bad - yes his laptop, but why not frapsing it later, instead of uploading settlers1/simcity graphics
2 commentaries were 90% like "omg omg boxer omg. >i< am giving you boxer. he is soo cool, so amazing. thats boxer style..". i really dont care who wins the game. but being a well known commentator, you always should at least try to comment 50:50 on both sides
3 game speed through the bad laptop felt like super slow. and besides that it took what felt like 20 minutes of my time, until they both started fighting.
4 just another idra game. well played, but that much non-innovative-save-play, i dont know, if you feel the same about this. ofc its nice to see 20 ultralisks, but imo its much easier than surprising your enemy. hard-tech and harass would be much more fun. but instead its another 15min no rush zerggame.
5 the only worth part for me was the tank->plateau -> marine pull strategy.
everything else was 200% predictable and in a very bad-slowmotion.
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It's Boxer dude! The living Legend so stop flaming about the Vod !!!
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On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole.
No, your are a stupid asshole !
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no doubt this is Boxer, shits going to be heavy next GSL...
ps Bento you're a nerd kid.
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Damn!What have happened to TL?Where are the auto bashing glory days?I miss that 
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Boxer looks like just as much of a nightmare to play against in sc2. So pesky!
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On October 02 2010 17:25 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote:On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote:On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote:On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote:
There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke.
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra.
This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics.
The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place.
exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? Day9 isn't a 50 game, plat league noob. Just listen to Artosis's up most respect for Boxer's play, if anyone has any credentials to critique Boxer's play it'll be Artosis, but all had was respect and admiration.
Implying Day9 didn't make an announcement a couple daily's ago that he finally got into diamond (IE: He was in platinum)
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