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TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
February 12 2011 19:28 GMT
#621
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
February 12 2011 19:28 GMT
#622
Well what about Idra's comment here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=185691&currentpage=7#130
He seems to hold morrow in some high regard there....
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
February 12 2011 19:36 GMT
#623
On February 13 2011 04:28 TheButtonmen wrote:
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.


No IdrA questioned MorroW's skill.
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 19:40:09
February 12 2011 19:37 GMT
#624
On February 13 2011 04:27 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
Keep in mind people, that Zerg has received numerous buff's since Idra made that statement. Zerg is nothing like it was in 1.0, and its actually amazing any zergs won anything in 1.0


You also forgetting the numerous nerf to terran: Tank dmg, reaper, bunker build time, depot before rax, drop ship speed, etc etc BUT we all are taking away credit away from morrow who is an A+ RTS player. so stop beating on the dead horse!

I am amazed at so many Europeans, including morrow can play sc2 on 4:3 resolution, they are missing half of the screen!!!
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
6xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines51 Posts
February 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#625
idra's a popular bm player. gotta give morrow credit for making it this far and doing and exceeding the gracken's expectations.. im a big idra fan because its just interesting to have personalities like him but at the same time i dont take what he says in rage moments seriously and i credit the face that he does have more game knowledge than what... 95%(i just made this figure up teehee) of TL/players out there.. his comment about morrow not getting out of gold is obviously exaggerated and i dont get what all the hate is about. i think you gotta take it wit ha grain of salt when idra says something as wierd as that.
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go morrow FAIGHTING!
zerg fighting!
zerg, zerg everywhere.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
February 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#626
On February 13 2011 04:36 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 04:28 TheButtonmen wrote:
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.


No IdrA questioned MorroW's skill.


He said playing terran was artifically inflating Morrows win percentage making him look much more skilled then he was and comparing how Morrow was doing preswitch and how Morrow has done post switch (even recently) and the fact the Morrow himself has stated that as Zerg some games you just autolose due to where you spawn it would seem he was right.

He has since then called Morrow one of the best non-korean zergs.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 19:54:47
February 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#627
On February 13 2011 04:49 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 04:36 butchji wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:28 TheButtonmen wrote:
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.


No IdrA questioned MorroW's skill.


He said playing terran was artifically inflating Morrows win percentage making him look much more skilled then he was and comparing how Morrow was doing preswitch and how Morrow has done post switch (even recently) and the fact the Morrow himself has stated that as Zerg some games you just autolose due to where you spawn it would seem he was right.

He has since then called Morrow one of the best non-korean zergs.


Doesn't matter - he said MorroW would be gold league even if he was playing Zerg since the beta. So him now calling MorroW one of the best non-korean zergs shows IdrA already conceded.
johlar
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden165 Posts
February 12 2011 20:01 GMT
#628
I wonder how Artosis and Idras imbalanced show will be if Morrow wins Assembly.

Anyone remember? :>
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
February 12 2011 20:44 GMT
#629
On February 13 2011 05:01 johlar wrote:
I wonder how Artosis and Idras imbalanced show will be if Morrow wins Assembly.

Anyone remember? :>




It's a ZvZ final O_o
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
February 12 2011 20:46 GMT
#630
On February 13 2011 04:54 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 04:49 TheButtonmen wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:36 butchji wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:28 TheButtonmen wrote:
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.


No IdrA questioned MorroW's skill.


He said playing terran was artifically inflating Morrows win percentage making him look much more skilled then he was and comparing how Morrow was doing preswitch and how Morrow has done post switch (even recently) and the fact the Morrow himself has stated that as Zerg some games you just autolose due to where you spawn it would seem he was right.

He has since then called Morrow one of the best non-korean zergs.


Doesn't matter - he said MorroW would be gold league even if he was playing Zerg since the beta. So him now calling MorroW one of the best non-korean zergs shows IdrA already conceded.


Not at all. If anything it has somewhat solidified IdrA's original point, which you're glazing over and instead focusing on quoting and misinterpreting a select portion of it. He did not say Morrow would remain a terrible zerg for all time, but stated at the time he'd still be gold (obviously an exaggeration, but unprovable either way). The fact that Morrow went from doing well consistently at the time to not having won anything big since is exactly what IdrA was getting at.

Saying IdrA has "conceded" would imply he was proven wrong... which he couldn't be (since one was speculation), he hasn't been (since Morrow hasn't won YET), and wouldn't matter if he does win (the changes since would have altered the comment and the time it has taken would prove the point).

All that being said, IdrA has since said (as in the post you quoted) that Morrow is a good player. His abilities have also been shown in other tournaments (even if not winning them), so I don't think anybody doubts Morrow's ability. The underlying theme in all of IdrA's posts was that Zerg is UP (especially at the time) and the Terran at the time had been winning tournaments based more on balance than on ability. He might have taken a shot at Morrow in the process too, but don't only read that and ignore the rest of the message.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
February 12 2011 20:50 GMT
#631
Some of you people just love to argue.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
February 12 2011 21:03 GMT
#632
On February 13 2011 05:01 johlar wrote:
I wonder how Artosis and Idras imbalanced show will be if Morrow wins Assembly.

Anyone remember? :>


Do you honestly think one tournament proves anything?

Plus the show is not based on Zerg, it's based on all races.

Think before you speak.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
February 12 2011 21:58 GMT
#633
On February 13 2011 05:46 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 04:54 butchji wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:49 TheButtonmen wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:36 butchji wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:28 TheButtonmen wrote:
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.


No IdrA questioned MorroW's skill.


He said playing terran was artifically inflating Morrows win percentage making him look much more skilled then he was and comparing how Morrow was doing preswitch and how Morrow has done post switch (even recently) and the fact the Morrow himself has stated that as Zerg some games you just autolose due to where you spawn it would seem he was right.

He has since then called Morrow one of the best non-korean zergs.


Doesn't matter - he said MorroW would be gold league even if he was playing Zerg since the beta. So him now calling MorroW one of the best non-korean zergs shows IdrA already conceded.


Not at all. If anything it has somewhat solidified IdrA's original point, which you're glazing over and instead focusing on quoting and misinterpreting a select portion of it. He did not say Morrow would remain a terrible zerg for all time, but stated at the time he'd still be gold (obviously an exaggeration, but unprovable either way). The fact that Morrow went from doing well consistently at the time to not having won anything big since is exactly what IdrA was getting at.

Saying IdrA has "conceded" would imply he was proven wrong... which he couldn't be (since one was speculation), he hasn't been (since Morrow hasn't won YET), and wouldn't matter if he does win (the changes since would have altered the comment and the time it has taken would prove the point).

All that being said, IdrA has since said (as in the post you quoted) that Morrow is a good player. His abilities have also been shown in other tournaments (even if not winning them), so I don't think anybody doubts Morrow's ability. The underlying theme in all of IdrA's posts was that Zerg is UP (especially at the time) and the Terran at the time had been winning tournaments based more on balance than on ability. He might have taken a shot at Morrow in the process too, but don't only read that and ignore the rest of the message.

I like how you expect someone to win big money tournaments without having ever played a race before. Up to the point of not even knowing what their key bindings are. Very valid assumption of you..........right.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
February 12 2011 22:08 GMT
#634
On February 13 2011 06:58 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 05:46 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:54 butchji wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:49 TheButtonmen wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:36 butchji wrote:
On February 13 2011 04:28 TheButtonmen wrote:
Hahaha I just saw the Morrow interview on the front page where he says certain spawn positions are an autoloss for zerg.

Idras point is indeed made.


No IdrA questioned MorroW's skill.


He said playing terran was artifically inflating Morrows win percentage making him look much more skilled then he was and comparing how Morrow was doing preswitch and how Morrow has done post switch (even recently) and the fact the Morrow himself has stated that as Zerg some games you just autolose due to where you spawn it would seem he was right.

He has since then called Morrow one of the best non-korean zergs.


Doesn't matter - he said MorroW would be gold league even if he was playing Zerg since the beta. So him now calling MorroW one of the best non-korean zergs shows IdrA already conceded.


Not at all. If anything it has somewhat solidified IdrA's original point, which you're glazing over and instead focusing on quoting and misinterpreting a select portion of it. He did not say Morrow would remain a terrible zerg for all time, but stated at the time he'd still be gold (obviously an exaggeration, but unprovable either way). The fact that Morrow went from doing well consistently at the time to not having won anything big since is exactly what IdrA was getting at.

Saying IdrA has "conceded" would imply he was proven wrong... which he couldn't be (since one was speculation), he hasn't been (since Morrow hasn't won YET), and wouldn't matter if he does win (the changes since would have altered the comment and the time it has taken would prove the point).

All that being said, IdrA has since said (as in the post you quoted) that Morrow is a good player. His abilities have also been shown in other tournaments (even if not winning them), so I don't think anybody doubts Morrow's ability. The underlying theme in all of IdrA's posts was that Zerg is UP (especially at the time) and the Terran at the time had been winning tournaments based more on balance than on ability. He might have taken a shot at Morrow in the process too, but don't only read that and ignore the rest of the message.

I like how you expect someone to win big money tournaments without having ever played a race before. Up to the point of not even knowing what their key bindings are. Very valid assumption of you..........right.


What the shit are you smoking? Where in my post did I say, suggest, or imply that I expected Morrow, or anybody, to switch races and immediately win tournaments?
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Better luck next time though Morrow, still one of the best zergs in Europe and losing to Ret is no shame, obv.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
February 12 2011 22:16 GMT
#635
Morrow is unbelievable good at sc2. totally beat some ppl who just sit and shit and crying for imbalance.
BTW, looking back, blizz made a very bad adjustment to nerf reaper so hard. With the range burf of roach, reaper nerf is so unnecessary. Considering tier-1 unit using in 99.9% of games right now: zergling/roach/baneling, zealot/stalker/sentry yet Terran only use marine/marauder. Reaper become a complete joke.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
February 12 2011 22:17 GMT
#636
On February 13 2011 07:16 ehalf wrote:
Morrow is unbelievable good at sc2. totally beat some ppl who just sit and shit and crying for imbalance.
BTW, looking back, blizz made a very bad adjustment to nerf reaper so hard. With the range burf of roach, reaper nerf is so unnecessary. Considering tier-1 unit using in 99.9% of games right now: zergling/roach/baneling, zealot/stalker/sentry yet Terran only use marine/marauder. Reaper become a complete joke.


Terran doesn't need another early game option that looks the same way as another when you scout, but requires an entirely different respone.
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
February 12 2011 22:22 GMT
#637
Morrow is the man.

Idra challenged him. Morrow showed he is true Gosu!

www.KoshkaTV.com
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
February 12 2011 22:35 GMT
#638
Morrow, I really like you, your play and all.

But I REALLY REALLY hate your fans. And wish there was an ignore function on this boards so I would never see posts from half the guys posting above me.

I would like you to show that you're better than these guys and understand what Idra said back then, and even more so, take that for what it was, a rage moment, and forget about it. You're man enough to do that, but most your fans are not.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 12 2011 22:41 GMT
#639
Oh, come one man. You know the community loves to make fun of Idra, and this is one of the ways we do it
Barett
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada454 Posts
February 12 2011 22:41 GMT
#640
I don't know why this turned into a flame war on his thread. Morrow is a great player. he made a change at the top level of Starcraft 2, and is back at the top again. Why does everyone take what Idra says so seriously? He is just 1 person with a VERY biased opinion and a very open mouth.
No matter what Idra said, Morrow is a great player.

Ret is one of the best Zerg's in the world (besides loosing to cheese) and the series was very close. Ret just performed Roach very well, and Morrow had a hard time stopping it. It happens to the best of us.

Everyone stop flaming TL so hard, especially when someone puts them self out to the community.
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