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On February 10 2011 16:21 suejak wrote:
We REALLY need to hold Idra to his promise to quit whining if Morrow ever won anything as zerg.
MorroW is a really good zerg now. As soon as he bags his first big #1 tourney win, we really have to hold IdrA's feet to the fire.
I didn't hear IdrAs exact quote. However its taken Morrow a significant amount of time and practice to get to the level of Zerg play he needs to win a big tournament.
While Morrow deserves great props. I think IdrA's point was made.
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morrow officially an ultralisk by anyone's standards after this tournament. made a fan out of me for sure
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On February 13 2011 03:55 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 16:21 suejak wrote:
We REALLY need to hold Idra to his promise to quit whining if Morrow ever won anything as zerg.
MorroW is a really good zerg now. As soon as he bags his first big #1 tourney win, we really have to hold IdrA's feet to the fire. I didn't hear IdrAs exact quote. However its taken Morrow a significant amount of time and practice to get to the level of Zerg play he needs to win a big tournament. While Morrow deserves great props. I think IdrA's point was made.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152533¤tpage=20#381
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On February 13 2011 03:55 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 16:21 suejak wrote:
We REALLY need to hold Idra to his promise to quit whining if Morrow ever won anything as zerg.
MorroW is a really good zerg now. As soon as he bags his first big #1 tourney win, we really have to hold IdrA's feet to the fire. I didn't hear IdrAs exact quote. However its taken Morrow a significant amount of time and practice to get to the level of Zerg play he needs to win a big tournament. While Morrow deserves great props. I think IdrA's point was made.
idra said that morrow couldn't win anything at all as zerg because he's one of those disgusting T's who only won due to a massive imbalance.
no, his point wasn't made, morrow is fantastic as zerg.
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On February 13 2011 03:55 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 16:21 suejak wrote:
We REALLY need to hold Idra to his promise to quit whining if Morrow ever won anything as zerg.
MorroW is a really good zerg now. As soon as he bags his first big #1 tourney win, we really have to hold IdrA's feet to the fire. I didn't hear IdrAs exact quote. However its taken Morrow a significant amount of time and practice to get to the level of Zerg play he needs to win a big tournament. While Morrow deserves great props. I think IdrA's point was made.
It hasn't taken MorroW very long when you look at the bigger picture. He has been doing really good with zerg for some time now and has been doing well in tourneys with Zerg... Just because he hasn't won a major LAN yet with zerg means IdrA has a point? Not at all.
I don't think IdrA's won a major tournament since MorroW switched either.
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Well Morrow is now playing a finals of a major tournament. If he wins Idra needs to stop whining :D
And I say that as a Zerg whiner :D
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Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches..
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go go morrow save us from the zerg tear machine =P. Morrow is the new zerg unit coming in the swarm patch. From Larva.....to Ultralisk.....to Morrowlisk.
Edit: LOL AT FAINT. Idra whines more now than pre- 4 range patch.
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if Morrow wins it will be hilarious that idrA recently started a show about imba
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On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches..
Ya I think it kind of depends how you interpret it. If you take as IdrA saying MorroW is a noob who just isn't good in general (which that very well may be what he was saying) then I would disagree and say IdrA should eat his words, but if IdrA was basically saying that Terran had a significant edge causing many terran players to appear to be better than I would have to agree.
Either way, was MorroW really that impressive before? It seems like he has simply improved since then, and maybe he was much better than he deserved credit for because of the imbalance that has since been changed.
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On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches..
idra said that after the 4 range buff iirc, and before building HP buff/medivac speed nerf.
edit : unless you're talking about the gold league quote =)
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On February 13 2011 04:20 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches.. idra said that after the 4 range buff iirc, and before building HP buff/medivac speed nerf.
Hell 5-Rax Reaper still existed when he said that.
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On February 13 2011 04:20 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches.. idra said that after the 4 range buff iirc, and before building HP buff/medivac speed nerf.
sep 14 was the post, oct 12 was 1.1.2
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On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches..
lol fa1nt seems to be the only one defending idra on both TL and reddit
if someone makes a retarded statement like idra did regarding morrow's future success he deserves to be taken seriously & ridiculed for it
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well idra still thinks zerg is underpowered so his comment should still be valid.
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the idra quote was
"youd be gold league if you played zerg
not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now
if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke. "
..now, i dont think he was serious, greg likes his bad boy image and probably its good when it comes to attracting sponsors and fans so you cant really blame him, but still its important to note that its not a valid post
On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches..
you think zerg is in a much better state at the moment compared to the time of the quote? sure, roaches are better, but a lot of other changes have also been made and new tactics discovered, if you compare tournament results zerg are making almost worse these days compared to back then
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On February 13 2011 04:18 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 04:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Zerg has been buffed and terran/protoss nerfed significantly since IdrA said that, it no longer pertains to anything.
Unless you think MorroW would win with 3 range roaches.. Ya I think it kind of depends how you interpret it. If you take as IdrA saying MorroW is a noob who just isn't good in general (which that very well may be what he was saying) then I would disagree and say IdrA should eat his words, but if IdrA was basically saying that Terran had a significant edge causing many terran players to appear to be better than I would have to agree. Either way, was MorroW really that impressive before? It seems like he has simply improved since then, and maybe he was much better than he deserved credit for because of the imbalance that has since been changed.
I don't get this. Maybe I'm a biased swede but I felt like he was deservingly praised as the player he was. You could argue that he got more credit because of imbalance but that still doesn't change the fact that he had a really good macro game (imo) when he played those kind of games and basically raped europen top terrans constantly. I would still like to hear an explanation from the people that said he was a player simple abuser how he could be so successful in TvT.
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idras point was made. Or why is morrow nowadays complaining about maps in a big interview?
Back in the days when reaper bullshit was viable he never complained about maps or anything.
And if he is able to win something with his Zerg in like 2 months its not the same as winning when Idras statement was made. Since there were 2 patches inbetween - some changes might seem little but help Zerg incredible much to not die to bullshit such as the repair nerf. A good executed thor rush seemed to be unstopable
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morrow is really good at keeping his money low and reinforcing, kind of scary to watch
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Keep in mind people, that Zerg has received numerous buff's since Idra made that statement. Zerg is nothing like it was in 1.0, and its actually amazing any zergs won anything in 1.0
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