• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:26
CEST 13:26
KST 20:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 29401 users

Elo ratings

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Tevinhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom470 Posts
September 30 2010 02:53 GMT
#1
I noticed this page for the first time.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/detailed-elo

How are these ratings worked out? What are they based on?

I did try a forum search and couldn't find an answer.

Thanks =d
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
September 30 2010 02:56 GMT
#2
They are based on major tournaments.

As you can see it's a fairly new system and all they have in there are some GSL games.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 02:59:24
September 30 2010 02:59 GMT
#3
doesnt seem worthy of a thread :/
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 30 2010 03:01 GMT
#4
Only for 3 players though
Tevinhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom470 Posts
September 30 2010 03:02 GMT
#5
^ Doesn't seem worthy of a reply

Backpack's answer was vague though, is there a detailed explanation on how elo is worked out?
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 30 2010 03:04 GMT
#6
On September 30 2010 12:02 Tevinhead wrote:
^ Doesn't seem worthy of a reply


Youch, blueflamed.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
TUski
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1258 Posts
September 30 2010 03:06 GMT
#7
On September 30 2010 12:02 Tevinhead wrote:
^ Doesn't seem worthy of a reply

Backpack's answer was vague though, is there a detailed explanation on how elo is worked out?


Looks like the ELO is based at 2000, and increases/decreases with games played against race X. That's all I gleaned from a quick look at numbers :/
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
BoldReceiver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3 Posts
October 06 2010 00:30 GMT
#8
Wikipedia does a good job of explaining the Elo system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
The most important thing to take away is that the rating itself doesn't mean anything. It's the difference between two players ratings that gives you useful information regarding the likelyhood of a games possible outcomes.
You got your whole life to do something and that's not very long -- Ani Difranco
delo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States333 Posts
October 06 2010 00:58 GMT
#9
On October 06 2010 09:30 BoldReceiver wrote:
Wikipedia does a good job of explaining the Elo system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
The most important thing to take away is that the rating itself doesn't mean anything. It's the difference between two players ratings that gives you useful information regarding the likelyhood of a games possible outcomes.

Bingo.

All generalized ratings systems (like Elo, Glicko, and TrueSkill) are descendants of L.L. Thurstone's work in the 1920's on finding ways of quantifying the 'sense distance' between various stimuli. The Bradley-Terry-Luce (or BTL) models, formulated in 1952, built on that foundation and came up with an easy to implement approach which made it possible to quantify ratings of things (in this case the taste of pork roasts based on what types of corn rations the pigs were given) from the preferences of judges given pairs of roasts to compare (i.e., 'sample A tastes better than B'). Soon thereafter, Arpad Elo - a master chess player - decided he could use this general approach to improve chess player ratings, which were using the shitty Harkness system up till that point. Thus, in 1959, the Elo Rating System was born, which is not much different from BTL except that it assumes skill is normally-distributed (instead of logistically distributed) and that variance in skill is constant across all players. The latter condition is a key point of contention with the Elo system, and so in the 80's/90's, Mark Glickman devised the Glicko rating system, which allows each player's skill variance to vary according to their match history. And building on this framework, Ralf Herbrich and Thore Graepel blew the whole thing wide open with TrueSkill, a factor graph-based approach which handles teams (and arbitrary numbers of them), and is the primary skill rating system used in Xbox Live today.

So there you go.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-06 01:00:01
October 06 2010 00:59 GMT
#10
WOAH, Fruit Dealer is already 2227. In BW, if you are currently sitting at 2227, you are a god amongst BW players, and ace amongst your pro-team.
Daxten
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany127 Posts
October 06 2010 01:15 GMT
#11
On October 06 2010 09:59 dukethegold wrote:
WOAH, Fruit Dealer is already 2227. In BW, if you are currently sitting at 2227, you are a god amongst BW players, and ace amongst your pro-team.


that system is based from 1000p, this one starts at 2000
Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
October 06 2010 01:17 GMT
#12
Who decided to starts at 2000? quite confusing.
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
October 06 2010 01:25 GMT
#13
On October 06 2010 10:15 Daxten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2010 09:59 dukethegold wrote:
WOAH, Fruit Dealer is already 2227. In BW, if you are currently sitting at 2227, you are a god amongst BW players, and ace amongst your pro-team.


that system is based from 1000p, this one starts at 2000


BW ELO rankings also started at 2k
Writer
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
October 06 2010 01:35 GMT
#14
Hmm, ELO peaks aren't recorded yet. Is there a buffer period for starting leagues to establish an equilibrium?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 50
CranKy Ducklings68
Liquipedia
GSL Code S
09:30
Ro8 - Group B
herO vs BunnyLIVE!
Zoun vs TBD
Crank 354
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 354
Lowko327
ProTech86
MindelVK 28
Harstem 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10531
Hyuk 5953
Sea 3380
Shuttle 836
Mini 586
ZerO 425
actioN 348
EffOrt 326
Stork 248
Soulkey 235
[ Show more ]
Light 197
Zeus 171
Last 170
TY 110
Pusan 76
JulyZerg 59
ToSsGirL 57
Sharp 48
JYJ46
sSak 46
hero 38
Snow 37
NaDa 23
Nal_rA 20
Movie 19
Sea.KH 14
Noble 14
Icarus 11
sorry 10
HiyA 10
Barracks 9
zelot 7
ivOry 4
scan(afreeca) 2
IntoTheRainbow 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe682
XaKoH 311
boxi98294
Fuzer 248
League of Legends
JimRising 390
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss851
kennyS711
Stewie2K466
allub169
Super Smash Bros
Westballz21
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor193
Other Games
singsing2314
C9.Mang0549
crisheroes410
DeMusliM385
B2W.Neo263
Mew2King145
ArmadaUGS18
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream10513
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1179
lovetv 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach6
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• WagamamaTV144
Upcoming Events
OSC
9h 34m
Replay Cast
12h 34m
OSC
12h 34m
WardiTV Invitational
23h 34m
OSC
1d 1h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 15h
SOOP
1d 21h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 23h
Cheesadelphia
2 days
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs TBD
TBD vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.