EPTWho is going to Korea for GSL season 2?
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Sobba
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Scope
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Ghad
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Err wait, do you need a passport to enter South Korea?  Also, to put *me* in perspective, since you clicked this spoiler anyway: I think I may have once played Lzgamer or kiwikaka(I think he was in my division) very early in the beta, and they absolutely demolished me. If I ever do magically become a better player, I'll let you guys know | ||
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CruelZeratul
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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Stimpk
France165 Posts
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
please note, i will get stomped. i will not qualify. | ||
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Suikakuju
Germany238 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On September 17 2010 20:21 Inschato wrote: Err wait, do you need a passport to enter South Korea? Passport yes, but no visa unless you plan to stay longer than 90 day in a row | ||
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Arm4n
United States103 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On September 17 2010 21:01 Arm4n wrote: well, with 85k up for grabs i can't understand why every good player wouldn't be there. going and staying in Korea isnt that cheap, so it's up to their sponsors | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:00 TBO wrote: Passport yes, but no visa unless you plan to stay longer than 90 day in a row Doesn't flying to japan for a day still work? If you can afford it obv | ||
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:01 Arm4n wrote: well, with 85k up for grabs i can't understand why every good player wouldn't be there. probably because if you look @ current GSL, that's a 1/2000 chance for the 87k. now, someone like nada (who's already there anyway) can probably bank on being "in the money" pretty consistently, enough so that he can quit a $230,000/yr contract. but for people travelling to korea (tickets are expensive), to make a net profit travelling there, you'd have to make it to ro8 more than likely, and that's not easy. additionally, the GSL runs over the length of a month or so, which means even if you're staying in a love motel, that's $40/night. this doesn't include food, and most importantly, the soju after every victory. | ||
GTR
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that and rl stuff like jobs and school probably. | ||
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jongim
Canada289 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:06 kirkybaby wrote: probably because if you look @ current GSL, that's a 1/2000 chance for the 87k. now, someone like nada (who's already there anyway) can probably bank on being "in the money" pretty consistently, enough so that he can quit a $230,000/yr contract. but for people travelling to korea (tickets are expensive), to make a net profit travelling there, you'd have to make it to ro8 more than likely, and that's not easy. additionally, the GSL runs over the length of a month or so, which means even if you're staying in a love motel, that's $40/night. this doesn't include food, and most importantly, the soju after every victory. 1a) rent a place. dont waste money on love motels 1b) there are hostels you can stay in for $20. cheap cheap. 2) food is dirt cheap 3)a bottle of soju is 2 dollars. hard to get broke off soju now as for the tickets, yea they're very expensive. | ||
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Dooba
Croatia588 Posts
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
renting a place in SEOUL = roughly $3,000 smacks. i've lived in korea for a year and i am going back for many more years. my korean wife who lived in seoul for 30+ years has never heard of any hostels. i'm not trying to be argumentative, i'm just genuinely curious about these hostels if they really exist. and yes, soju is dirt cheap, but that's why you drink loads of it. :p i can go broke on soju, even after winning #1 in GSL hahaha. | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
i think gomtv would enjoy the foreigner presence on their live shots. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:18 kirkybaby wrote: $40night * 30 nights = 1200 renting a place in SEOUL = roughly $3,000 smacks. i've lived in korea for a year and i am going back for many more years. my korean wife who lived in seoul for 30+ years has never heard of any hostels. i'm not trying to be argumentative, i'm just genuinely curious about these hostels if they really exist. and yes, soju is dirt cheap, but that's why you drink loads of it. :p i can go broke on soju, even after winning #1 in GSL hahaha. There are hostels in any major city in the world, I know for a fact there are numerous in Seoul because I looked a couple of days ago for my post uni freakout. But yeah staying anywhere for 30 days is gonna cost you. | ||
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z00t
Australia976 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:06 GTR wrote: most foreigners don't have the financial support/confidence from their teams to justify traveling to korea in an attempt to qualify for the gsl. that and rl stuff like jobs and school probably. Aaaaaaaw - don't crush my dreams ! Maybe there won't be as many foreigners going to Korea next month as I would like, but I'm still really hoping for a much more significant showing . There seems to be some interest here even from the guys who aren't super high-level, so that's a promising start at least... | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
what kind of price would people see as reasonable to spend for 30 days in seoul? all included (tickets, hotel, food, partying, etc)? $3000? could people afford that? am i coming in too low? | ||
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:31 ZidaneTribal wrote: how come no one mentions white-ra anymore because he's duckload-ra now. get it right pal. | ||
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Teeny
Austria885 Posts
No seriously if your team supports it or you have enough money anyway everyone should try this out! | ||
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
Of course I'd like to see more foreigners, I just don't see it happening. A NA/EU based tournament similar to the GSL would be ideal, but there just isn't as much interest in E-Sports here to make that happen, unfortunately. At least we have the ESL and MLG to look forward to. | ||
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:31 ZidaneTribal wrote: how come no one mentions white-ra anymore i dont think he could do much in GSL, plus hes going to get married soon, so yeah no time for him | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:06 kirkybaby wrote: probably because if you look @ current GSL, that's a 1/2000 chance for the 87k. now, someone like nada (who's already there anyway) can probably bank on being "in the money" pretty consistently, enough so that he can quit a $230,000/yr contract. but for people travelling to korea (tickets are expensive), to make a net profit travelling there, you'd have to make it to ro8 more than likely, and that's not easy. additionally, the GSL runs over the length of a month or so, which means even if you're staying in a love motel, that's $40/night. this doesn't include food, and most importantly, the soju after every victory. I don't think nada is still getting $200k+ contracts anymore or he would stay in broodwar for the easy money. He barely plays and isn't a top player anymore. | ||
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TArujo
Portugal1687 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:49 whiteLotus wrote: i dont think he could do much in GSL, plus hes going to get married soon, so yeah no time for him DuckLoadRA:sweetheart our honeymoon is in korea. DuckLoadRA wife: oh that's so sweet of you DuckloadRA! Arrives in Korea with people from GSL with DuckLoadRA signs: Wife's face: ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zfuhyP6_XOE/TBpajV8hheI/AAAAAAAAARo/SQA27ca9ZRM/s400/fuuuuuuu.png) just a little joke, but i would love to see more europeans in there | ||
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zerg4hire
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With the addition of JulyZerg and Nada and far more players opting to play next season, the hope of foreginer players bringing the trophy home from far land seems very unlikely. These Koreans play 10+ hours of sc2 each day, compared to foreginers where we have school to deal with. Investing 4k + to stay there for 2 months period doesnt seem legitimate. maybe only foreginer i would think that have chace right now is... MuRRoW. he seems to be the most consistent Terran. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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Chesner
Iceland817 Posts
On September 17 2010 22:48 DamnCats wrote: Who the hell is Murrow? Cousin of Marrow | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
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Grettin
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On September 17 2010 22:07 zerg4hire wrote: MoRRoW. he seems to be the most consistent Terran. Yeah, with one build in every match-up. Really, i doubt morrow would do that well anyway. | ||
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:21 kirkybaby wrote: now that i think about it though, if people travel together, 4-5 people in an apartment could be around $600 for the month, much more reasonable. perhaps TL should put together travel parties, and they might be able to work discounts through korean air/lufthansa or something and get discounted tickets for the ro64 on down during the actual GSL (6 next year right?). get a couple of places to share, hang out w/ other awesome SC2/TL people for a month, enjoy seoul, and watch kickass SC2. i think gomtv would enjoy the foreigner presence on their live shots. This is a good idea. Alot of pro poker players do/did this, they rent a place in Las Vegas (or Thailand if ur less successful) or wherever and just play poker 24/7. | ||
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Falcon_NL
Netherlands236 Posts
I hate my life xD. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 17 2010 22:56 Grettin wrote: Yeah, with one build in every match-up. Really, i doubt morrow would do that well anyway. Pretty much. | ||
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KevinAce
United States101 Posts
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
Long lost half-brother of Mirrow? | ||
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KevinAce
United States101 Posts
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
Now you're just making stuff up! I'd like to see demuslim in korea, althought that wont happen for some time now  | ||
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
From what a friend said she made enough to cover her airfare, living expenses, and saved $20k CAD during a 6 month period teaching english there. Edit: perhaps trade english lessons for starcraft 2 lessons from a team like prime/werra/ogs?? lol a little nutty but it could work ^^ | ||
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TekKpriest
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But to seriously compete i have to play a lot more against the korean style of play. | ||
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
and not morrow whos still in high school | ||
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SayfT
Australia298 Posts
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Rudiment
United States174 Posts
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
On September 18 2010 00:15 HuK wrote: not i and not morrow whos still in high school Sounds like you are Morrows parent How come Huk, you (fully grown up man, with awesome results) won't go to korea? I can understand that it would cost a lot to get planetickets and that stuff, but still, its the opportunity of a lifetime. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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PaPoolee
Netherlands660 Posts
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zerg4hire
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Why pros are born in Korea, and the differences between American gamings. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:10 jongim wrote: 1a) rent a place. dont waste money on love motels 1b) there are hostels you can stay in for $20. cheap cheap. 2) food is dirt cheap 3)a bottle of soju is 2 dollars. hard to get broke off soju now as for the tickets, yea they're very expensive. From what Ive seen, soju is more like 1$? Guess it depends from brand to brand. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Runsta
United States161 Posts
Son of Merrow? | ||
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xal
Canada22 Posts
http://www.airbnb.com/search/v3?code=pV6Imn | ||
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oBlade
United States5765 Posts
On September 18 2010 00:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Guess it depends from brand to brand. Yeah, I guess Jinro is a little cheaper... as it were. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
Father to Frodo | ||
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Al Bundy
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On-topic: I can't understand how they are called "PRO" gamers when in reality they don't have the time nor the money to participate in the biggest sc2 tournament. Can someone explain to me what is up? In my opinion if you are a professionnal sc2 player, or if you want to become one, gsl is pretty much a mandatory step. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 18 2010 01:55 oBlade wrote: Yeah, I guess Jinro is a little cheaper... as it were. Yeah, for obvious reasons its been my brand of choice Tho I think Ive only tried like 2 different ones, and I did prefer it over the other one. | ||
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nitdkim
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On September 17 2010 21:18 kirkybaby wrote: $40night * 30 nights = 1200 renting a place in SEOUL = roughly $3,000 smacks. i've lived in korea for a year and i am going back for many more years. my korean wife who lived in seoul for 30+ years has never heard of any hostels. i'm not trying to be argumentative, i'm just genuinely curious about these hostels if they really exist. and yes, soju is dirt cheap, but that's why you drink loads of it. :p i can go broke on soju, even after winning #1 in GSL hahaha. we have cheap family owned motel-like 1 night places. It's bed and breakfast but at someone's private homes. They only exist in the country where farmers open their homes to tourists for extra income. | ||
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Gruntt
United States175 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:04 AlBundy wrote: Enough with the stupid morrow/murrow jokes please. On-topic: I can't understand how they are called "PRO" gamers when in reality they don't have the time nor the money to participate in the biggest sc2 tournament. Can someone explain to me what is up? In my opinion if you are a professionnal sc2 player, or if you want to become one, gsl is pretty much a mandatory step. Or you can understand what the term actually means and just say that it's someone who makes money playing starcraft. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On September 18 2010 00:15 HuK wrote: not i and not morrow whos still in high school That's a shame. I was sort of hoping you had some top secret plan to go to Korea, I would LOVE to see you in the GSL. Oh well there is always season 3 | ||
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Pikachusc2
Canada91 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:31 Gruntt wrote: Or you can understand what the term actually means and just say that it's someone who makes money playing starcraft. Or someone who makes a living, i.e. does not depend on doing anything other than playing SC. | ||
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gundream
United States229 Posts
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Al Bundy
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On September 18 2010 02:31 Gruntt wrote: Or you can understand what the term actually means and just say that it's someone who makes money playing starcraft. You can continue winning 100$ tournaments, OR you can try your luck at the gsl. | ||
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StarStruck
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In many cases (as in Korea) they have no time for school and not much else. | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
On September 17 2010 20:37 Sobba wrote: Id like to see Huk and Morrow and Dimaga. I second this. | ||
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TekKpriest
308 Posts
On September 18 2010 03:11 vnlegend wrote: Liquid should rent out some rooms and stuff so foreigners can come to test their skills in the GSL. They'd still charge for the room, food, etc but it'd be great for other foreigners to have a place to stay and English-speaking SC2 players to talk to. If they'd do this i would go to Korea instantly :D | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
It's cool to see any foreigner go to Korea, it's a big deal whoever it is, though of course we want to see top players make the trip. | ||
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CheeseGrater
United States290 Posts
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Gatsbi
United States1134 Posts
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:00 CheeseGrater wrote: I really hope Sen can make it I hope this aswell. He would have good chances in there. | ||
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
I mean i know TLO and gang can do it but i wonder how this would work if you're a nobody | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:11 reki- wrote: Can you as a foreigner even play since you probably need to go on korean battlenet? (with the korean ssn needed for an account) GSL provides accounts for the foreigners at the tournament - to practice on korean battlenet you need someone who organizes you one though - or you play on US ^^ | ||
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GTR
51497 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:11 Looky wrote: dude torch and artosis made it. i think many of the top foreigners can make it. it's all about luck in the brackets. if you get lucky like torch and get a really easy bracket then it's much easier than say, jinro or naz who had tough brackets. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:15 GTR wrote: it's all about luck in the brackets. if you get lucky like torch and get a really easy bracket then it's much easier than say, jinro or naz who had tough brackets. if you watch some of the round of 64 though.. there were still some bad players or it seemed like they were really bad. might be nerves but i see some top level foreigners playing way better. | ||
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:12 TBO wrote: GSL provides accounts for the foreigners at the tournament - to practice on korean battlenet you need someone who organizes you one though - or you play on US ^^ Ah figured as much about the gsl accounts but still annoying if you want to practice : ) | ||
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NibbloniaN
United States377 Posts
does anyone ever know what happened to kolll? Is he playing sc2? | ||
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EriktheGuy
Canada132 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.itoen.com/img/products/115.jpg) Do they sell this stuff cheap in Worst Korea? I think I saw one of the players drinking it. If it was cheap, it would totally be worth moving there for. | ||
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Hikari
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On September 18 2010 08:33 EriktheGuy wrote: Do they sell this stuff cheap in Worst Korea? I think I saw one of the players drinking it. If it was cheap, it would totally be worth moving there for. Those are pretty cheap here in canada too! I got tons of those downstairs =D (also also mats to make bubbletea!) I think HuK can prob get to the ro16 in GSL. Given how "easy" GSL looks this season, a lot more koreans will probably try to qualify. On top of that a few bw progamers are also trying their luck in the GSL. I expect season 2 to be more challenging. People like tester, fruitseller, maka, etc are not easy We foreigners have a major advantage of having a lot of live tournament experiences. | ||
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EriktheGuy
Canada132 Posts
On September 18 2010 08:36 Hikari wrote: Those are pretty cheap here in canada too! I got tons of those downstairs =D (also also mats to make bubbletea!) I think HuK can prob get to the ro16 in GSL. Given how "easy" GSL looks this season, a lot more koreans will probably try to qualify. On top of that a few bw progamers are also trying their luck in the GSL. I expect season 2 to be more challenging. People like tester, fruitseller, maka, etc are not easy We foreigners have a major advantage of having a lot of live tournament experiences. Yeah, I bet all the pro BW players are just kicking themselves realizing that big prize pool they gave up. Players like Tester and IntotheRainbow really have no trouble advancing because the competition is so thin. You gotta adapt quicker! And I just moved to a bigger city, so I'm hoping to find that stuff now... | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:15 GTR wrote: it's all about luck in the brackets. if you get lucky like torch and get a really easy bracket then it's much easier than say, jinro or naz who had tough brackets. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1129_Artosis/games Artosis is not one of the best foreigners, probably like 30th-40th best, and he qualified, I think a lot of foreigners could definitely do it. also season two finals will be july vs nada, so foreigners can forget about anything higher than third | ||
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okajunior
United States125 Posts
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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Litess
Bulgaria40 Posts
I like the GSL, really interesting games now at r32, but more well known names from the American/European scene would be great Would be awesome to see Silver there. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:01 Gatsbi wrote: Don't understand how ANY foreigner on a gaming team wouldn't go to the biggest competition for their sport?? Makes me confused how players like HuK and MoRRoW wont be going.. isn't this what they've been training for? playing sc2 hours a day for? like wtf is the point if you're not gonna compete? Money concerns shouldn't be an issue between sponsors or even just working like 2-3 months to scrounge the money up yourself... Think about this you don't want to drop out of school for a chance at the GSL as its not guaranteed. Also you don't start winning alot of money till like the ro16 i think is when you start getting into the 1000$+. So also saving up money to go to korea for the GSL for a chance to qualify.. Thats just qualifying. What if they don't qualify? Thats a huge risk your willing to take and do you really want to drop out of school for a potential chance at qualifying? Even again if you qualify the odds of you making it to the finals are slim as it is let alone the ro8. There's a lot more at stake then just saving money to go to korea. Its kind of a bad idea to drop out of school just for a chance at the GSL. Sure if you miraculously won awesome your 87,000$ richer but again odds of that are not too likely. That is why you won't see them playing in the GSL at least not unless they actually got the time off. The only time I can see it possible for most foreigners that aren't rich and are in school is during the summer months. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 18 2010 17:15 blizzind wrote: as far as i know huk, machine and kiwikaki are going. And where did you hear Huk would be going? Check this post by HuK in this thread, sadly it seems that he isn't going. On September 18 2010 00:15 HuK wrote: not i and not morrow whos still in high school | ||
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-miDnight-
Taiwan455 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
If your a student do a semester in Korea. You wont sacrifice your study - and also get the chance to play 2-3 GSLs. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
The NA/EU scene is quite strong at the moment anyway, money can be made staying in their home country..so there's no real strong incentive to go to korea unless they are dominating the NA/EU scene already and just want to go there for the experience itself. I have no doubt in my mind we will see plenty of foreigners trying their luck in future seasons. Just give it time and let the scene stabilize | ||
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
Once SC2 becomes more popular in KR and more BW pros start playing 24/7, even top foreign players will have a hard time qualifying imo. If any foreigner is going to win the GSL, it's going to be in the first few seasons. Anything beyond that is very unlikely. If TLO or IdrA aren't able to win it within the next couple of seasons, I don't see any other foreigner having any chance at it. | ||
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Gatsbi
United States1134 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On September 19 2010 04:57 Gatsbi wrote: OK, so it will just be another korean dominated game where foreigners are second class once again.. great! If no one is willing to take risks the e-sport aspect of this game will never grow outside of Korea. Sponsors need to man up and pay the money for their players to get over there and compete and have serious practice time. And players need to stop being pussies and go after their dreams (if being a pro sc2 player is what they want). You can't blame players for not wanting to risk that much money. Most of the top SC2 players do not have much money. And the ones that are making good money like Gretorp probably couldn't take that much time off from work to play in a starcraft tournament. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
It is a risk to go and it's going to be really hard, but the chances of making it are 0% if you don't try. | ||
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-HellZerg-
United States409 Posts
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On September 19 2010 05:13 ProHellZerg wrote: It's sad that professional RTS gaming career is so short compared to professional football/baseball/basketball, etc. and its salary is so low compared to other sports. Even if some foreigner becomes a legend at SC2, it's not for long, and that player probably will quit SC2 and try to catch up with his own life and career which he will have so hard time with. Will we ever see the day when the RTS gaming e-sports has contracts like $10 million or more for the players in the future? I wonder. lol... 10 million salary when the fans aren't willing to pay $20 for the entire season? get real. | ||
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-HellZerg-
United States409 Posts
On September 19 2010 05:30 kirkybaby wrote: lol... 10 million salary when the fans aren't willing to pay $20 for the entire season? get real. You are right. Professional RTS gaming career is a trashy career with no long-term financial security, and it's obvious why so many people in general don't praise such career. But, if, in the future, it becomes a very popular e-sport and has at least a couple major global tournaments with a prize pool of $1 million or more like how tennis has 4 major global tournaments (the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open), then the very top seeded professional RTS players are very likely to be able to make a living off of it when they get old by becoming world-renowned coaches, making their own RTS gaming foundations, or doing business selling products like how Fatal1ty does. Who knows if SC2 or future RTS games will become as popular as tennis or other 1v1 athletic sports? Time will tell. And remember, SC2 is only about 2 months old. Tennis is about 135 years old. So what that means is that RTS gaming career may not be as popular as tennis or other sports until after all of us and our grandchildren die or even longer, which is even more sad. | ||
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Tonyoh
France218 Posts
If nice and skilled people are interested, feel free to send me a private message ^^ | ||
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