• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:11
CET 11:11
KST 19:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !2Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win2Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Did they add GM to 2v2? RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO8 - Day 1 - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1278 users

[Interview] GSL Ro32 Lotze vs Idra Winner - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 14 Next All
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
September 16 2010 00:53 GMT
#161
On September 16 2010 09:50 SuperGnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:
On September 16 2010 02:10 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-


Fixed.

Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

Teamliquid actually respects Idra as a player

if you want haters - starcraftarena.net


you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!


"HEY MY OPPONENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND I KNEW HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT SO I DID EXACTLY WHAT BEATS WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO BUT HE'S DUMB AND DIDN'T DO WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO COUNTER EASILY."

haha and thats almost 2 years ago, and it just happend again lololol.


gotta love idra and his stubbornness.
dont care a white for his BM
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
September 16 2010 00:54 GMT
#162
On September 16 2010 09:51 Garaman wrote:
anybody else realize a resemblance in Idras play?
remember his series vs F91 on BW TL event, liquibition or whatever?
how he couldn't adapt to his opponents nonstandard play?
didn't scout enough?
just assumed what the other guy was going all the time?

like i said, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 epic post by rek =)


As i have always said, he is predictable becuse he does not adapt. He has his build and if someone dont play after the ritualistic rules the "top" non koreans seem to play after he gets destroyed.
From: TL.net Bot; This is a Warning! - Your posting sucks. Try to work on that. - Thanks in advance for your cooperation, KwarK
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 16 2010 00:55 GMT
#163
Man, Idra tunnel visioned so hard on that 3rd match. After that epic push into lotze's base, Idra just left his roaches/broodlords to die to two void rays, and continued producing roaches until he had nothing left, and THEN got his hydras in there. All of his overlords were bunched up in the middle over his gold, and obviously, his epic blunder not scouting the secret third until his fifth base was one of the only ones being mined out...and mysteriously: zealots from no where?

Lotze is definitely good, I just feel like it was more or less Idra just throwing the game in his confidence that caused the upset.

Rooting for TLO now, though. :D
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
September 16 2010 00:59 GMT
#164
On September 16 2010 09:55 Tyrant0 wrote:

Rooting for TLO now, though. :D


idd, to bad he is sick like hell :/
From: TL.net Bot; This is a Warning! - Your posting sucks. Try to work on that. - Thanks in advance for your cooperation, KwarK
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
September 16 2010 01:00 GMT
#165
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 02:10 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-


Fixed.

Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

Teamliquid actually respects Idra as a player

if you want haters - starcraftarena.net


you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!

LOL, that exact post could have been made about today's games. It's sad that in all this time Idra still lacks game sense, which is the reason he will never be the best. Great mechanics will only get you so far. This tournament was his best opportunity to win something, to win anything. Better players are going to join next season, and every season after that...players that actually have game sense in addition to great mechanics.
$♥$
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 01:10:51
September 16 2010 01:03 GMT
#166
On September 16 2010 10:00 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:
On September 16 2010 02:10 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-


Fixed.

Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

Teamliquid actually respects Idra as a player

if you want haters - starcraftarena.net


you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!

LOL, that exact post could have been made about today's games. It's sad that in all this time Idra still lacks game sense, which is the reason he will never be the best. Great mechanics will only get you so far. This tournament was his best opportunity to win something, to win anything. Better players are going to join next season, and every season after that...players that actually have game sense in addition to great mechanics.


Well, conceptually, yes, but I think each scenario played out quite differently.

And this time Idra appears to be taking it like a man I guess. Really, Reks post wasn't dissing his skill, it was dissing his manner.

I would have thought that foreigners could compete for at least a couple of months at the launch of SC2.

Maybe TLO proves me right. Maybe?

I predict the gap skill to grow over time and koreans to be as dominant as in BW in a year or so.


Really, this match doesn't really show the skill gap. Man, Idra needs to stop Tilting.
Too Busy to Troll!
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
September 16 2010 01:07 GMT
#167
Idra lost, and TLO is sick. If a foreigner doesn't win this GSL, there won't ever be a foreign winner for a long time
rip passion
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
September 16 2010 01:09 GMT
#168
On September 16 2010 10:03 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 10:00 Devolved wrote:
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:
On September 16 2010 02:10 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-


Fixed.

Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

Teamliquid actually respects Idra as a player

if you want haters - starcraftarena.net


you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!

LOL, that exact post could have been made about today's games. It's sad that in all this time Idra still lacks game sense, which is the reason he will never be the best. Great mechanics will only get you so far. This tournament was his best opportunity to win something, to win anything. Better players are going to join next season, and every season after that...players that actually have game sense in addition to great mechanics.


Well, conceptually, yes, but I think each scenario played out quite differently.

And this time Idra appears to be taking it like a man I guess. Really, Reks post wasn't dissing his skill, it was dissing his manner.


oh'rly?

No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.
From: TL.net Bot; This is a Warning! - Your posting sucks. Try to work on that. - Thanks in advance for your cooperation, KwarK
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 01:12:56
September 16 2010 01:11 GMT
#169
On September 16 2010 10:09 SuperGnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 10:03 Half wrote:
On September 16 2010 10:00 Devolved wrote:
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:
On September 16 2010 02:10 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-


Fixed.

Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

Teamliquid actually respects Idra as a player

if you want haters - starcraftarena.net


you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!

LOL, that exact post could have been made about today's games. It's sad that in all this time Idra still lacks game sense, which is the reason he will never be the best. Great mechanics will only get you so far. This tournament was his best opportunity to win something, to win anything. Better players are going to join next season, and every season after that...players that actually have game sense in addition to great mechanics.


Well, conceptually, yes, but I think each scenario played out quite differently.

And this time Idra appears to be taking it like a man I guess. Really, Reks post wasn't dissing his skill, it was dissing his manner.


oh'rly?

No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.


If that's what you got from Rekruls post, then your reading ability leaves much to be desired.

Perhaps reading sentences as part of a larger structure, say, paragraphs, (what a neat idea huh?) might be towards your benefit.


All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.
Too Busy to Troll!
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
September 16 2010 01:13 GMT
#170
On September 16 2010 10:11 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 10:09 SuperGnu wrote:
On September 16 2010 10:03 Half wrote:
On September 16 2010 10:00 Devolved wrote:
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:
On September 16 2010 02:10 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:33 fabiano wrote:
On September 16 2010 01:28 tbrown47 wrote:
Congratulations Lotze, now like 90% of the TL population loves you -.-


Fixed.

Milkis, you are like our direct link to the korean news, we should build a huge statue in your honor.

Also, I'm glad to see the koreans taking over. My only exception is TLO because he is amazing.

Teamliquid actually respects Idra as a player

if you want haters - starcraftarena.net


you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!

LOL, that exact post could have been made about today's games. It's sad that in all this time Idra still lacks game sense, which is the reason he will never be the best. Great mechanics will only get you so far. This tournament was his best opportunity to win something, to win anything. Better players are going to join next season, and every season after that...players that actually have game sense in addition to great mechanics.


Well, conceptually, yes, but I think each scenario played out quite differently.

And this time Idra appears to be taking it like a man I guess. Really, Reks post wasn't dissing his skill, it was dissing his manner.


oh'rly?

No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.


If that's what you got from Rekruls post, then your reading ability leaves much to be desired.

Perhaps reading sentences as part of a larger structure. Say, paragraphs, (what a neat idea huh?) might be towards your benefit.


I read it all and i see he is bashing IdrA's manners but the entire post basicly say "IdrA you suck go home"
From: TL.net Bot; This is a Warning! - Your posting sucks. Try to work on that. - Thanks in advance for your cooperation, KwarK
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
September 16 2010 01:15 GMT
#171
On September 16 2010 10:03 Half wrote:
And this time Idra appears to be taking it like a man I guess. Really, Reks post wasn't dissing his skill, it was dissing his manner.

He supressed his rage heavily after the game.
He just stormed out without talking to anyone. Tasteless got out of the seat asap and couldn't find him. I only saw him storming out after coming from the toilets ...

He was REALLY pissed.
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
shieldbreak
Profile Joined February 2010
United States406 Posts
September 16 2010 01:16 GMT
#172
Nooo! Idra!

In other words Congrats Lotez.
Many a sleepless nights were spent doing absolutely nothing.
leviathan20
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom193 Posts
September 16 2010 01:17 GMT
#173
On September 16 2010 10:00 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 09:34 Garaman wrote:

you obviously havent seen rekrul post... let me find you the link....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

epic post
enjoy!

LOL, that exact post could have been made about today's games. It's sad that in all this time Idra still lacks game sense, which is the reason he will never be the best. Great mechanics will only get you so far. This tournament was his best opportunity to win something, to win anything. Better players are going to join next season, and every season after that...players that actually have game sense in addition to great mechanics.


I totally love that thread every time I read it

Grats to Lotze, he straight up outplayed IdrA and deserved to win.

IdrA needs to bring something better to the table than what he had today if he wants to compete with the best. He looks more overrated every time I see him.
"We better get that boy a waffle NOW or he gon' DIE!"
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
September 16 2010 01:18 GMT
#174
On September 16 2010 10:15 jacen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 10:03 Half wrote:
And this time Idra appears to be taking it like a man I guess. Really, Reks post wasn't dissing his skill, it was dissing his manner.

He supressed his rage heavily after the game.
He just stormed out without talking to anyone. Tasteless got out of the seat asap and couldn't find him. I only saw him storming out after coming from the toilets ...

He was REALLY pissed.


Yeah, I'm sure he was lol. Who wouldn't be? Theres a difference between being pissed and raging on tl about it like a whining scrubby kid.

If nothing else, thats improvement I guess.
Too Busy to Troll!
crimsonsentinel
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
September 16 2010 01:21 GMT
#175
I'm a huge IdrA fan, but he got outplayed pure and simple. I hope he works on his scouting for the next GSL.
Cell.cell
Profile Joined April 2010
United States46 Posts
September 16 2010 01:25 GMT
#176
On September 16 2010 10:21 crimsonsentinel wrote:
I'm a huge IdrA fan, but he got outplayed pure and simple. I hope he works on his scouting for the next GSL.


This bugs me because both times he lost to hidden cheese. Yes, sneaking that bottom expo is a cheese, Idra could have demolished it for most of the game if he knew it was there. I agree he deserved the loss for not scouting properly, but don't say he got outplayed pure and simple. He didn't get outplayed, he got cheesed pure and simple...
There are several good protections against temptation, but the surest is cowardice
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
September 16 2010 01:28 GMT
#177
On September 16 2010 10:25 Cell.cell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2010 10:21 crimsonsentinel wrote:
I'm a huge IdrA fan, but he got outplayed pure and simple. I hope he works on his scouting for the next GSL.


This bugs me because both times he lost to hidden cheese. Yes, sneaking that bottom expo is a cheese, Idra could have demolished it for most of the game if he knew it was there. I agree he deserved the loss for not scouting properly, but don't say he got outplayed pure and simple. He didn't get outplayed, he got cheesed pure and simple...


Sarcasm?

Maybe they need to put in a game sound when someone expands so IdrA will know about it? Something like the Nydus Worm thing so all players can hear it.

Like:

From: TL.net Bot; This is a Warning! - Your posting sucks. Try to work on that. - Thanks in advance for your cooperation, KwarK
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
September 16 2010 01:29 GMT
#178


Sarcasm?

Maybe they need to put in a game sound when someone expands so IdrA will know about it? Something like the Nydus Worm thing so all players can hear it.


Are you saying double gate robo fake into stargate and fast hidden expo is anything but cheese?
Too Busy to Troll!
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
September 16 2010 01:30 GMT
#179
Sounds like a legit strategy to me.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 01:32:05
September 16 2010 01:31 GMT
#180
On September 16 2010 10:30 TOloseGT wrote:
Sounds like a legit strategy to me.


Anything that doesn't use hacking is a "legit strategy".

Cheese by definition is "relies on your opponent not knowing about it at all and costs you the game if it fails".
Too Busy to Troll!
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 216
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8022
Bisu 1028
Jaedong 645
Shuttle 590
Hyuk 508
actioN 337
EffOrt 282
Soma 151
Sharp 147
Zeus 145
[ Show more ]
Larva 107
Yoon 103
PianO 99
Dewaltoss 87
Mong 82
Pusan 73
Killer 69
Rush 66
910 46
Shinee 32
sorry 27
soO 26
Trikslyr23
NaDa 22
Mind 20
Shine 19
Last 18
Noble 16
yabsab 16
Sacsri 13
GoRush 13
JYJ 9
ZerO 5
Terrorterran 5
Dota 2
XcaliburYe292
League of Legends
JimRising 473
C9.Mang0347
Counter-Strike
summit1g11121
Other Games
Fuzer 293
XaKoH 125
Mew2King86
Livibee47
Pyrionflax34
ZerO(Twitch)1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick589
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH152
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1208
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
1h 49m
MaNa vs Gerald
TBD vs uThermal
TBD vs Shameless
TBD vs MaxPax
ByuN vs TBD
Spirit vs ShoWTimE
OSC
4h 49m
YoungYakov vs Mixu
ForJumy vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
The PondCast
23h 49m
WardiTV 2025
1d 2h
Cure vs Creator
TBD vs Solar
WardiTV 2025
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
SC Evo League
3 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Ladder Legends
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.