Team-aAa : Hi Idra, how are you? How did your match go? It's not your first match in Korea but I believe it's your first on a stage here, how did it feel?
Greg "IdrA" Fields : Yeah, it's great it's the bigegst esports event I have ever seen, furthermore I played the opening match and I won it pretty easily. I'm very happy to be here.
Who's your most feared player and why?
Kim Won Gi, hiw nickname is Cool[fOu] from StarCraft 1, he's the best zerg player in Korea and I think ZvZ is my worst matchup. That makes him the most dangerous player for me.
What are your plans in South-Korea? How long do you want to stay here, what's your goal?
Thanks to the GSL I think Korea is the place to be for StarCraft 2 today, I'll stay here until this situation changes. I'm now a member of the american team EG and they support me for the GSL and several other international events.
How is everyday's life here? Do you live in a gaming house like some other korean players? What's your daily schedule?
These days it's quite erratic cause I live at tasteless's home until I get my own place. But next week I'll move to my own home and then I'll try to play StarCraft 2 as much as I can.
Do you also find some time to enjoy life in Seoul?
Yes, I make sure to relax because it's important, you can't play well if you don't relax from time to time.
What's missing in Europe to have the same kind of events and as many professionnal players as in Korea?
I'm not sure, when I was in Germany, the crowd was bigger than at the GSL. I think Europe was behind for StarCraft 1 but there is a real possibility for Europe to catch up its delay.
Do you know if any other European players plan to come in Korea? Who would you like to see here?
I'd like to see SarenS, he was a good StarCraft 1 player and he has performed very well so I think he has potential to succeed in Korea. I would also like to see Ret even if he didn't really achieve anything in StarCraft 2 yet, but he's as talented as anyone here. So if he's decides to focus he should be part of the best players. The East-European players Dimaga and WhiteRa are also good players, I'd like to see them in Korea and compete with Korean players.
Is it easy to practice with Korean players? Do you play custom games with them?
I don't practice with a lot of Korean players, I know five or six players I like to practice with, but they are also my opponents. Practicing with somebody would feel weird, so I mainly play Ladder games and custom games on US servers. It's easier for me to practice with players from TeamLiquid.
If you had to change something in the game what would that be?
I really think that when you look at the basics, the game looks great. There are a few balance details have to be fixed, but the core is really really good. If I had to change something I would remove the Multiple Building Selection and I would modify it because it will make macro to easy, even if it's fine today. This game has the potential to be huge in esports.
Last Word?
I want to thank everyone who watched the stream, I hope you will enjoy the GSL, they do it for the spectators so everything depends on you! Thanks for cheering on me!
LOL i just made a post saying there was no thread on Idra joining EG. i agree def an interesting choice. I figured he would wait to see if any teams would offer him alot of money to join. I know sk or something like that might give him a stipend. I guess it doesnt matter though if he plans to win a tourney or two
Oh man, talk about something I did not see coming whatsoever. That's really neat, it'll be odd seeing Idra as a EG player not gunna lie. I am sure Idra will stay in Korea at least till GSL ends.
Tasteless also said he has some involvement with EG... I believe he said he was the head or leader of the SC division. Might they just be building a Korean roster in addition to their North American roster?
On September 04 2010 20:32 JoshSuth wrote: Tasteless also said he has some involvement with EG... I believe he said he was the head or leader of the SC division. Might they just be building a Korean roster in addition to their North American roster?
I heard this as well. He is the head manager or something like that. I totally agree they might be trying to get a force over in Korea for the GSL's. It makes sense too especially if they are getting a house that other members can come over to live in during the tourneys.
On September 04 2010 20:30 ci_esteban wrote: Unexpected indeed. EG's tournament performance has been underwhelming compared to Team Root so we'll see if this changes that a little.
On September 04 2010 20:34 sleeepy wrote: I was expecting Idra to go to coL seeing as how EG already has a bunch of SC2 players.
No offense, but none of them perform well in tournaments incontrol just started doing well (at mlg) and inka just started performing well in ladder from what I've seen.
Other than that. Beta and release haven't seen much from eg besides show matches.
I didn't say SC2 team. I said organization. EG as an organization, have been around for a long time. much longer than the other teams (except for those like SK).
I don't want to say that Idra is "misunderstood" and have that taken the wrong way. I think people interpret Idra saying something insulting as him hating the person he says it to, rather than him simply raging.
one thing that does work with this is that EG can and will pay for just about anything (and they obviously dont mind their players losing either) also could the prince have something to do with it? (he does seem to like EG lol)
Yeah i know thats why i thought we might see Idra join a team like SK. they have a lot of money to give out and to recruit a high level team with a good amount of money. Either way we shall see what pans out from this and if he wins some tournament it doesnt matter much at all, just having a solid team behind him to practice.
Kinda reminds me when Carlos Tevez (a real good football (called soccer in US)) joined West Ham United when he shoulda joined one of the top four clubs (Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea)
Why people is complaining about the players in EG? Yeah, maybe they aren't that good, but as long as they provide good support to Idra, it really doesn't matter where he joins. (Flights,salary(?), etc). And im 100% sure IdrA chose EG because he got a good offer/contract.
He can practise with Korean players, he really doesn't need any help from EG players. The skill level between is huge.
EG is a pretty good choice. Like GTR said, the SC team is pretty shitty, but their CS (counter strike) is top notch.
I think EG making a korean division makes a lot of sense. I can't imagine Idra going back to the US. Competeing in stuff like MLG rather than the GSL? Not gonna happen... Maybe if Torch does well, he'll hop on board with Idra too.
I think this is a good move from EG. IdrA has pro-house experience,so him being a manager he can help build up their sc2 division. IdrA said he would love to be a coach after he finished playing, so maybe he can do both at EG.
I'm not surprised if this is true. EG is a very solid sponsor and I'm sure since Idra will playing in Korea, practicing with the other EG guys is not going to be a priority. Idra will probably keep up with what he has been doing while enjoying the benefits of the sponsorship.
Guys, being on EG doesn't mean living in nerdhouse, doing gosucamp, or even, maybe, practicing extensively within the team. It means sponsorship and salary and playing under the EG name. EG is one of the strongest overall gaming teams in the world, and it looks like they'll be boosting their SC team quite a bit.
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
On September 04 2010 20:50 RaGe wrote: Was expecting a move to MYM. tbh
sunny just got fired so they don't have a manager at the moment. to be honest their sc2 squad is in turmoil. raven and garimto barely represent the team. artosis is busy in korea and cloud/naniwa haven't really made waves yet in germany. that and the organization is pretty new (from a management perspective)
MYM doesnt have much of a team right know your right GTR. I dont think cloud is doing much of anything he is getting stomped right now. Naniwa is the only one doing something decent. Def wouldnt see Idra join them
People... It's all about money. Apparantly EG offered him quite a lot of money, and that made him switch. I don't think he is forced to go back to the states or somewhere else. He has a lot more freedom in EG than in CJ and he will actually be able to communicate with the team.
Yeah we will just have to wait and see what the deal is and the full scoop. Where are people getting this notion that he is getting a lot of money from EG. it just seems like people are talking out of their ass
On September 04 2010 20:43 kagemucha wrote: I think EG making a korean division makes a lot of sense. I can't imagine Idra going back to the US. Competeing in stuff like MLG rather than the GSL? Not gonna happen... Maybe if Torch does well, he'll hop on board with Idra too.
yeah, i'd like that. torch seems to be a really nice guy and a very good player, want to see more from him.
On September 04 2010 20:43 kagemucha wrote: I think EG making a korean division makes a lot of sense. I can't imagine Idra going back to the US. Competeing in stuff like MLG rather than the GSL? Not gonna happen... Maybe if Torch does well, he'll hop on board with Idra too.
yeah, i'd like that. torch seems to be a really nice guy and a very good player, want to see more from him.
Yall also forget Tester and Cool are no longer with oGs.
I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
On September 04 2010 21:27 ltortoise wrote: I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
Having a team is more than a "sticker on your shirt".
On September 04 2010 21:27 ltortoise wrote: I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
Having a team is more than a "sticker on your shirt".
Yes... It also covers your critical living expenses, just like I said
Do you seriously think IdrA would get much out of practicing with LzGaMeR? I mean, Lz is good, but IdrA is on an entirely different level.
On September 04 2010 21:27 ltortoise wrote: I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
Having a team is more than a "sticker on your shirt".
Yes... It also covers your critical living expenses, just like I said
Do you seriously think IdrA would get much out of practicing with LzGaMeR? I mean, Lz is good, but IdrA is on an entirely different level.
No, but I think there'll be more commitment than only getting an E.G shirt. I don't know more than you so it's obviously speculation, but I doubt EG will just throw money his way and not get anything in return.
if EG "bought" IdrA im sure they wouldn't want him to move to the US, you know, have a rep in korea is a lot better then having one in NA, especially since lots of the EG guys live in NA. IF IdrA is going to EG which ill believe it when i see it, i am 120% sure that he would stay in korea.
On September 04 2010 21:27 ltortoise wrote: I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
Having a team is more than a "sticker on your shirt".
Yes... It also covers your critical living expenses, just like I said
Do you seriously think IdrA would get much out of practicing with LzGaMeR? I mean, Lz is good, but IdrA is on an entirely different level.
No, but I think there'll be more commitment than only getting an E.G shirt. I don't know more than you so it's obviously speculation, but I doubt EG will just throw money his way and not get anything in return.
I don't understand what you mean. They get what every sponsor gets...Their name plastered along side IdrA's whenever he wins something lol.
What more do sponsors usually "get" from their players? Kisses? Their soul? Cleaning the bathroom?
On September 04 2010 21:34 vyyye wrote: No, but I think there'll be more commitment than only getting an E.G shirt. I don't know more than you so it's obviously speculation, but I doubt EG will just throw money his way and not get anything in return.
he represents them. being represented by IdrA is a lot of "return".
Hmm I don't see IdrA working out in EG to be honest I'd have an easier time seeing him go to mouz, mTw or MYM I think that would be a lot better for him since in MYM he's got artosis, in mTw there's dimaga which he's got a lot of respect for and last there's mouz which I don't have any specific arguements for but they're great.
The dream would of course be to see nada go over to sc2 and have IdrA join wemade fox that would be nice
Heh. I was hoping he'd go to EG from the start. Now all I (as a fan of IdrA and EG) have to hope for is that prides are swallowed, beefs are squashed, and everyone realizes the team is in a position to improve greatly if things can be smoothed out. Everyone stands to benefit greatly.
who is to say that the old BW EG roster is going to stay the same for SC2? I can think of a couple people on their roster that just can't compete on the international level. No offense to them, but it is true.
If IdrA is indeed on EG roster, then I am almost 100% positive they will have to clear salary in order to afford him. For an example, their WC3 roster is two people(Grubby making big dollars, and Ciara making not so many dollars). I am guessing SC2 will probably end up the same.
You guys have to realize that outside of korea, teams aren't sponsored 100% by corporations. EG isn't paying every player on their roster even 20k/yr.
On September 04 2010 21:45 simme123 wrote: Hmm I don't see IdrA working out in EG to be honest I'd have an easier time seeing him go to mouz, mTw or MYM I think that would be a lot better for him since in MYM he's got artosis, in mTw there's dimaga which he's got a lot of respect for and last there's mouz which I don't have any specific arguements for but they're great.
The dream would of course be to see nada go over to sc2 and have IdrA join wemade fox that would be nice
Tell me, why would any of your arguements help Idra? Players doesn't mean shit in this game. Its a solo game not a team game.
EG can easily provide the best possible support in this category.
A possibility for sure, but as far I know, Idra hates Lzgamer but he's really good friends with incontrol, machine etc.
My personal pick would be fnatic.. great team, great players and a great organization behind it.
To be honest, If idra is going to a non-korean team.. what would influence his desicion the most should be the quality of practice partners within the team aswell as financial backing for either salary and/or event trips.
On September 04 2010 21:15 Fantistic wrote: Didn't see this coming since Lz and IdrA don't get along.
LOL where do you people come up with this stuff? O idra called Lz a cheesy fag they must not get along, yet Lz always mentions on his stream when people talk about Idra, how Greg is actually a very nice guy and people take what he says in his games too seriously.
I support this if it is real. I don't want 1 or 2 teams getting all excellent players in the world. Because it should be like proleague KT has Flash , Hwaseung has Jaedong, SKT has Fantasy, and list goes on.
On September 04 2010 21:54 berzerger wrote: Because it should be like proleague KT has Flash , Hwaseung has Jaedong, SKT has Fantasy, and list goes on.
that will make fair competition all around.
Oh god. Worst idea ever.
No, it should NOT be like proleague. Proleague is an awful format. SC2 is not a team game, and trying to force it just adds weird bullshit onto everything.
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
I was thinking of TL's community relationship to Idra. NonY is pretty muched loved by everyone, IdrA splits the community (and i guess also staff) in half.
On September 04 2010 20:43 kagemucha wrote: EG is a pretty good choice. Like GTR said, the SC team is pretty shitty, but their CS (counter strike) is top notch.
I think EG making a korean division makes a lot of sense. I can't imagine Idra going back to the US. Competeing in stuff like MLG rather than the GSL? Not gonna happen... Maybe if Torch does well, he'll hop on board with Idra too.
I don't think so... I would have thought IdrA would be picked up by either fnatic of MYM :o EG came as a surprise.
On September 04 2010 21:54 berzerger wrote: Because it should be like proleague KT has Flash , Hwaseung has Jaedong, SKT has Fantasy, and list goes on.
that will make fair competition all around.
Oh god. Worst idea ever.
No, it should NOT be like proleague. Proleague is an awful format. SC2 is not a team game, and trying to force it just adds weird bullshit onto everything.
Straight up 1v1 FTW.
they probably will have clan support on B.NET(1.8(by then)) making clan wars possible and that leading to proleague .
On September 04 2010 21:45 simme123 wrote: Hmm I don't see IdrA working out in EG to be honest I'd have an easier time seeing him go to mouz, mTw or MYM I think that would be a lot better for him since in MYM he's got artosis, in mTw there's dimaga which he's got a lot of respect for and last there's mouz which I don't have any specific arguements for but they're great.
The dream would of course be to see nada go over to sc2 and have IdrA join wemade fox that would be nice
Tell me, why would any of your arguements help Idra? Players doesn't mean shit in this game. Its a solo game not a team game.
EG can easily provide the best possible support in this category.
Teammates are good reliable practice partners. However most of the foreigners have friends through BW that are good at SC2 as well, so those friends/practice partners will stay.
On September 04 2010 21:45 simme123 wrote: Hmm I don't see IdrA working out in EG to be honest I'd have an easier time seeing him go to mouz, mTw or MYM I think that would be a lot better for him since in MYM he's got artosis, in mTw there's dimaga which he's got a lot of respect for and last there's mouz which I don't have any specific arguements for but they're great.
The dream would of course be to see nada go over to sc2 and have IdrA join wemade fox that would be nice
Tell me, why would any of your arguements help Idra? Players doesn't mean shit in this game. Its a solo game not a team game.
EG can easily provide the best possible support in this category.
My arguments aren't about team games but I think that in order for IdrA to feel at home he needs some good friends (artosis) in the clan or players he respect like dimaga. IdrA isn't really the most pleasant guy in the universe it would seem. He's a competitive guy at first. And clans like liquid and EG seems they have players who aren't that pretentious or arrogant. So that's why I don't see it working out his gameplay sure is something that they'd benefit from but his image isn't really suiting them in my opinion but I could be wrong.
On September 04 2010 20:50 RaGe wrote: Was expecting a move to MYM. tbh
sunny just got fired so they don't have a manager at the moment. to be honest their sc2 squad is in turmoil. raven and garimto barely represent the team. artosis is busy in korea and cloud/naniwa haven't really made waves yet in germany. that and the organization is pretty new (from a management perspective)
MYM have been such a mess for a long time.
Anyway, him joining EG has nothing to do with the other EG SC2 players really.
On September 04 2010 21:45 simme123 wrote: Hmm I don't see IdrA working out in EG to be honest I'd have an easier time seeing him go to mouz, mTw or MYM I think that would be a lot better for him since in MYM he's got artosis, in mTw there's dimaga which he's got a lot of respect for and last there's mouz which I don't have any specific arguements for but they're great.
The dream would of course be to see nada go over to sc2 and have IdrA join wemade fox that would be nice
Tell me, why would any of your arguements help Idra? Players doesn't mean shit in this game. Its a solo game not a team game.
EG can easily provide the best possible support in this category.
My arguments aren't about team games but I think that in order for IdrA to feel at home he needs some good friends (artosis) in the clan or players he respect like dimaga. IdrA isn't really the most pleasant guy in the universe it would seem. He's a competitive guy at first. And clans like liquid and EG seems they have players who aren't that pretentious or arrogant. So that's why I don't see it working out his gameplay sure is something that they'd benefit from but his image isn't really suiting them in my opinion but I could be wrong.
Idra just were in a Korean proteam, mostly alone for two years. Now you really think he needs friends to feel at home? hmm.. He has friends in Korea and im 100% sure in internet aswell. I think that's enough.
On September 04 2010 21:54 berzerger wrote: Because it should be like proleague KT has Flash , Hwaseung has Jaedong, SKT has Fantasy, and list goes on.
that will make fair competition all around.
Oh god. Worst idea ever.
No, it should NOT be like proleague. Proleague is an awful format. SC2 is not a team game, and trying to force it just adds weird bullshit onto everything.
Straight up 1v1 FTW.
Proleague is great what are you talking about. It's still 1v1 but you play for your team and lesser-skilled players get to play on stage more than once every 3 months. The rapid rise of progamer skill level can in part be attributed to the introduction of proleague.
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
But Nony was the cofounder of liquid
NonY was the cofounder of liquid? 0.0 I thought he joined like 2 years ago and afaik liquid is like 8 years old.
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
But Nony was the cofounder of liquid
Yeah, him along with gandalf and Jaedong formed liquid eons ago. Jaedong moved to hwaseung because he got tired of everyone making fun of his accent
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
But Nony was the cofounder of liquid
Yeah, him along with gandalf and Jaedong formed liquid eons ago. Jaedong moved to hwaseung because he got tired of everyone making fun of his accent
We all know it all started with the Flash Bang, not the Big Bang
On September 04 2010 20:33 cAPS wrote: Hm. Was anyone else predicting TLAF-Liquid`IdrA?
no? given Idra's history at TL, i was pretty sure he wouldn't be part of Liquid..ever
NonY has been banned i think.. 3 times in total (i think twice temp, 1 perm) but he's still in Liquid. I remember when NonY said he never gg's when he loses cause he doesn't think it was a good game. People seem to think all the top players are 100% mannered 100% of the time, their not. IdrA is just less good at hiding it.
But Nony was the cofounder of liquid
Yeah, him along with gandalf and Jaedong formed liquid eons ago. Jaedong moved to hwaseung because he got tired of everyone making fun of his accent
We all know it all started with the Flash Bang, not the Big Bang
On September 04 2010 20:29 ejac wrote: Atleast idra and lz are on the same team now
I remember IdrA saying in an interview with artosis that he hates Lz and thinks his playstyle is obnoxious.
Don't worry now they are best of friends. They have to be. Lots has changed since BW but in BW they were all best buds.
On September 04 2010 23:55 michaelthe wrote: Why are people asking if he is staying in Korea or not... he has been there to be in the pro scene for years, why would that change...
Plus, have you people heard of LAN?
He isn't on a professional Korean Starcraft team.
Oh yeah, that LAN thing Starcraft II doesn't have? am I missing something in your post?
On September 04 2010 23:50 koOma wrote: confirmed by Tasteless isn't it?
Confirmed yes, also Tasteless said hes in EG too.
Still waiting for statement or so.
On September 04 2010 23:55 michaelthe wrote: Why are people asking if he is staying in Korea or not... he has been there to be in the pro scene for years, why would that change...
On September 04 2010 20:50 RaGe wrote: Was expecting a move to MYM. tbh
sunny just got fired so they don't have a manager at the moment. to be honest their sc2 squad is in turmoil. raven and garimto barely represent the team. artosis is busy in korea and cloud/naniwa haven't really made waves yet in germany. that and the organization is pretty new (from a management perspective)
MYM have been such a mess for a long time.
Anyway, him joining EG has nothing to do with the other EG SC2 players really.
I think this is exactly right. It's about what they could offer, not the team around him. I don't think clan wars are really important yet.
On September 04 2010 21:27 ltortoise wrote: I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
Having a team is more than a "sticker on your shirt".
Yes... It also covers your critical living expenses, just like I said
Do you seriously think IdrA would get much out of practicing with LzGaMeR? I mean, Lz is good, but IdrA is on an entirely different level.
No, but I think there'll be more commitment than only getting an E.G shirt. I don't know more than you so it's obviously speculation, but I doubt EG will just throw money his way and not get anything in return.
I don't understand what you mean. They get what every sponsor gets...Their name plastered along side IdrA's whenever he wins something lol.
What more do sponsors usually "get" from their players? Kisses? Their soul? Cleaning the bathroom?
On September 04 2010 20:43 kagemucha wrote: EG is a pretty good choice. Like GTR said, the SC team is pretty shitty, but their CS (counter strike) is top notch.
They also have probably the best SSF4 team in the US, with Justin Wong, Marn and Ricky Ortiz.
e: well not really a "team" since they're signed as individuals, but anyways
On September 04 2010 21:27 ltortoise wrote: I feel like people are making too big of a deal about the team thing.
The team is just a name/sticker on his shirt. I highly doubt he will move back to the states, and I also highly doubt that he will take his teammates very seriously. He just needs to cover his critical living expenses and I bet he just went for the team that offered the best deal.
Having a team is more than a "sticker on your shirt".
Yes... It also covers your critical living expenses, just like I said
Do you seriously think IdrA would get much out of practicing with LzGaMeR? I mean, Lz is good, but IdrA is on an entirely different level.
No, but I think there'll be more commitment than only getting an E.G shirt. I don't know more than you so it's obviously speculation, but I doubt EG will just throw money his way and not get anything in return.
I don't understand what you mean. They get what every sponsor gets...Their name plastered along side IdrA's whenever he wins something lol.
What more do sponsors usually "get" from their players? Kisses? Their soul? Cleaning the bathroom?
I think you are confusing "team" and "sponsor".
In this context, a "team" is just a group of players with the same set of sponsors. Nothing more. There are no team battles in SC2.
I keep lol'ing everytime I read someone saying "IdrA & fnatic would be awsome."
I am not sure what the best decision would be for him because obviously we do not know the contracts and incentives being negotiated by teams to IdrA, but I hope he goes somewhere that has a lot of potential to grow and isn't just a "team" with a vent channel... but he's smarter than that
Guys maybe listen to all the interviews Artosis made with Idra first, he said he was considering going to Germany but when GSL was announced he said he would definitely stay in Korea.
On September 05 2010 01:40 blizzind wrote: I'm pretty sure EG has the money to pay someone a large salary if needed. EG can really support 1 or 2 superstar players like Grubby and Idra.
If they can afford to keep Justin Wong (who used to have 3 personal corporate sponsors prior to joining EG), I'm sure they could afford a couple IdrAs as well.
On September 04 2010 20:29 ejac wrote: Atleast idra and lz are on the same team now
I remember IdrA saying in an interview with artosis that he hates Lz and thinks his playstyle is obnoxious.
Don't worry now they are best of friends. They have to be. Lots has changed since BW but in BW they were all best buds.
idra fucking hates LZ lol
If we had to associate Idra hating X person according to how he treats them when he lose a game, Idra would hate litterally every single SC2 players he has lost to, I mean he has even flamed artosis pretty badly when he lost to him during beta
so odds are he's just venting and does not genuinely hate LZ
I was expecting Fnatic to be honest. EG is alright, but I doubt he will be playing with the other EG players, and EG does have very good organization so it kinda makes sense. Hope to see a confirmation sometime in the future
On September 04 2010 20:29 ejac wrote: Atleast idra and lz are on the same team now
I remember IdrA saying in an interview with artosis that he hates Lz and thinks his playstyle is obnoxious.
Don't worry now they are best of friends. They have to be. Lots has changed since BW but in BW they were all best buds.
idra fucking hates LZ lol
If we had to associate Idra hating X person according to how he treats them when he lose a game, Idra would hate litterally every single SC2 players he has lost to, I mean he has even flamed artosis pretty badly when he lost to him during beta
so odds are he's just venting and does not genuinely hate LZ
You're wrong. idra and artosis literally hate lz, when they used to be great friends. If you followed lz's stream you would know.
On September 04 2010 20:29 ejac wrote: Atleast idra and lz are on the same team now
I remember IdrA saying in an interview with artosis that he hates Lz and thinks his playstyle is obnoxious.
Don't worry now they are best of friends. They have to be. Lots has changed since BW but in BW they were all best buds.
idra fucking hates LZ lol
If we had to associate Idra hating X person according to how he treats them when he lose a game, Idra would hate litterally every single SC2 players he has lost to, I mean he has even flamed artosis pretty badly when he lost to him during beta
so odds are he's just venting and does not genuinely hate LZ
You're wrong. idra and artosis literally hate lz, when they used to be great friends. If you followed lz's stream you would know.
Care to explain? I'm sure many of us are eager to know why.
Originally I was going to expect him to stay in his current state until GSL came closer, and wait for a real team to pick him up around the time of RO16 or so.
Sorry if it sounds harsh, but look at team EG's website for sc2.
Their most recent coverage is the TL.net invitational. And when you look up Team EG, they don't even blurb starcraft whatsoever.
Off their google search result:
Plays Call of Duty, Dota, World of Warcraft and Counterstrike. Offers news and a forum.
Having the money to grab some of the better players is great, but why don't you try to develop the community you are attempting to buy through it, instead of just throwing a wallet at good players.
I really doubt this will happen. IdrA talks so much shit about everyone on EG, how could they possibly want him? And, even if they did want him, what about the whole thing where they all live in a house together? anybody here ever tried to live with someone who you can't stand no matter what? Also, would IdrA plan on moving from Korea?
I find it much more believable that IdrA would move to a Korean team than anything else.
On September 05 2010 02:11 PanN wrote: He can join nearly any team and he chooses EG? Why not fnatic? Fnatic has all the nice Swedish people though =(
Its not about joining to any team just like that. Is it that hard to understand?
Fnatic just picked up Sen, how do you know they can provide as much as EG can right know?
On September 05 2010 02:12 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: I really doubt this will happen. IdrA talks so much shit about everyone on EG, how could they possibly want him? And, even if they did want him, what about the whole thing where they all live in a house together? anybody here ever tried to live with someone who you can't stand no matter what? Also, would IdrA plan on moving from Korea?
Why he needs to live with rest of the EG players? Hes the only one atm without team playing in GSL and Korea, and the only one who can actually get shit done. Why would EG want him off from Korea to live and play with rest of the team.
On September 04 2010 21:54 berzerger wrote: I support this if it is real. I don't want 1 or 2 teams getting all excellent players in the world. Because it should be like proleague KT has Flash , Hwaseung has Jaedong, SKT has Fantasy, and list goes on.
that will make fair competition all around.
"skt has fantasy" oh my, bisu, how thou has fallen from grace!
On September 05 2010 02:12 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: I really doubt this will happen. IdrA talks so much shit about everyone on EG, how could they possibly want him? And, even if they did want him, what about the whole thing where they all live in a house together? anybody here ever tried to live with someone who you can't stand no matter what? Also, would IdrA plan on moving from Korea?
Why he needs to live with rest of the EG players? Hes the only one atm without team playing in GSL and Korea, and the only one who can actually get shit done. Why would EG want him off from Korea to live and play with rest of the team.
1.) I stated they had Swedish people and thats the only reason for joining a team, if you took me seriously you have problems. (Is it that hard to understand?)
2.) I never once stated ever that they can pay just as much as EG. (Is it that hard to understand?)
If Idra's joining EG for real it's probably just for the name. Kid seems to get off on being a villain between the BM and the race switch to zerg. Being labeled an evil genious too would just be icing on the cake. It's cool though if he's supporting a US team like that.
On September 05 2010 02:21 Rah wrote: If Idra's joining EG for real it's probably just for the name. Kid seems to get off on being a villain between the BM and the race switch to zerg. Being labeled an evil genious too would just be icing on the cake. It's cool though if he's supporting a US team like that.
I severely doubt the name would be the deciding factor for Idra.
On September 04 2010 20:29 ejac wrote: Atleast idra and lz are on the same team now
I remember IdrA saying in an interview with artosis that he hates Lz and thinks his playstyle is obnoxious.
Don't worry now they are best of friends. They have to be. Lots has changed since BW but in BW they were all best buds.
idra fucking hates LZ lol
If we had to associate Idra hating X person according to how he treats them when he lose a game, Idra would hate litterally every single SC2 players he has lost to, I mean he has even flamed artosis pretty badly when he lost to him during beta
so odds are he's just venting and does not genuinely hate LZ
You're wrong. idra and artosis literally hate lz, when they used to be great friends. If you followed lz's stream you would know.
Care to explain? I'm sure many of us are eager to know why.
e-sports drama!
How am I supposed to explain when even LZ doesn't know why idra and artosis hate his guts.
On September 05 2010 02:21 Rah wrote: If Idra's joining EG for real it's probably just for the name. Kid seems to get off on being a villain between the BM and the race switch to zerg. Being labeled an evil genious too would just be icing on the cake. It's cool though if he's supporting a US team like that.
On September 04 2010 20:29 ejac wrote: Atleast idra and lz are on the same team now
I remember IdrA saying in an interview with artosis that he hates Lz and thinks his playstyle is obnoxious.
Don't worry now they are best of friends. They have to be. Lots has changed since BW but in BW they were all best buds.
idra fucking hates LZ lol
If we had to associate Idra hating X person according to how he treats them when he lose a game, Idra would hate litterally every single SC2 players he has lost to, I mean he has even flamed artosis pretty badly when he lost to him during beta
so odds are he's just venting and does not genuinely hate LZ
You're wrong. idra and artosis literally hate lz, when they used to be great friends. If you followed lz's stream you would know.
Care to explain? I'm sure many of us are eager to know why.
e-sports drama!
How am I supposed to explain when even LZ doesn't know why idra and artosis hate his guts.
LZ beat IdrA in the finals of some tournament back in beta. Since then IdrA seems to dislike him
On September 04 2010 21:15 Fantistic wrote: Didn't see this coming since Lz and IdrA don't get along.
LOL where do you people come up with this stuff? O idra called Lz a cheesy fag they must not get along, yet Lz always mentions on his stream when people talk about Idra, how Greg is actually a very nice guy and people take what he says in his games too seriously.
I assumed they don't like each other since IdrA insulted him multiple times during the Artosis-IdrA interview. On the same day, Lz made a few remarks about IdrA on his live stream.
On September 05 2010 02:35 Drakan wrote: If idra wins this GSL why would he go back to US to TeamEG instead of getting paid properly and getting a better sponsor in Korea ????
I think he miss the US :D
Pretty sure he won't have to go back, there are american players on european teams and vice-versa
On September 05 2010 02:34 Ndugu wrote: A rivalry in sports doesn't necessarily mean hate that won't change into comradely.
Didn't you guys ever watch WWF?
Or Brett Favre joining the Vikings. Vikings fans, the sell-outs that they are, have been head-over-heels for him ever since he joined and brought them out of the dump.
On September 05 2010 02:34 Ndugu wrote: A rivalry in sports doesn't necessarily mean hate that won't change into comradely.
Didn't you guys ever watch WWF?
Or Brett Favre joining the Vikings. Vikings fans, the sell-outs that they are, have been head-over-heels for him ever since he joined and brought them out of the dump.
I'm pretty sure whatever team you watch are sell outs and its not the vikings.
On September 05 2010 02:55 pR0gR4m3R wrote: Well, I was expecting Idra to enter TL team or oGs/any top kor clan
EG is a good choice, but, could be a sign that he is wishing to come back to USA
or that EG is going to korea...
Its not a sign of anything like that. Idra has expressed that he plans to continue as a progamer. Obviously the GSL is the most important SC2 tournament so he will be spending a lot of time in Korea.
it's actually very funny. every time I read a bullshit post, which happens extremely often lately, I just have to check the registration date and know what's going on.
it's actually very funny. every time I read a bullshit post, which happens extremely often lately, I just have to check the registration date and know what's going on.
Mm I don't want to sound mean, but with IdrA's reputation he could be on any team. Why would he pick EG. I feel like this will hurt his game rather than help it. Is anyone on EG even close to Idra's skill?
Mm I don't want to sound mean, but with IdrA's reputation he could be on any team. Why would he pick EG. I feel like this will hurt his game rather than help it. Is anyone on EG even close to Idra's skill?
All of them are capable with the right amount of practice. Machine and InControL especially.
On September 05 2010 03:26 Dr.Frost wrote: Mm I don't want to sound mean, but with IdrA's reputation he could be on any team. Why would he pick EG. I feel like this will hurt his game rather than help it. Is anyone on EG even close to Idra's skill?
Its better than being on a team where he is the only one who plays the game
imho it makes sense for both sides: eg is a financially potent team and they can provide idra a good salary which easily covers his costs of living over there in korea. in return they got one of the top sc2 players, which provides three things: first of all, he has a high chance to win tournaments which is always great for a team/the sponsors. secondly, he has a good reputation in terms of skill and ability (not so much when it comes to manners XD"), so if they want to build a high-calibre sc2 team, they got a good argument and the prospect of an attractive practice partner for the highclass pros who might join their sc2 squad in the future. and the third point is that by having an appartment over their in seoul, team eg has a place to stay while their members compete in korean competitions, which idra keeps monitored during the times of the year where the other guys from eg are not in korea. maybe they will eventually sign more top players who will also live in korea, so that idra is just the first guy in their new teamhouse over there.
Cool, so now Idra has realized that he can make more money swindling his own fan base with "gosu camp" or "gosu coaching" than he can by actually trying. I've honestly lost all respect for EG in the last year.
I'm sure any team in the world would want to pick him up for sc2. Are there no korean teams he could go to where his skill would actually be built?
On September 05 2010 04:02 ghermination wrote: Cool, so now Idra has realized that he can make more money swindling nerds with "gosu camp" or "gosu coaching" than he can by actually trying. I've honestly lost all respect for EG in the last year.
I'm sure any team in the world would want to pick him up for sc2. Are there no korean teams he could go to where his skill would actually be built?
i think korean teams are reluctant to sign him as he doesnt speak their language. its a huge setback if u cant discuss strategies with ur teammates.
On September 05 2010 04:02 ghermination wrote: Cool, so now Idra has realized that he can make more money swindling nerds with "gosu camp" or "gosu coaching" than he can by actually trying. I've honestly lost all respect for EG in the last year.
I'm sure any team in the world would want to pick him up for sc2. Are there no korean teams he could go to where his skill would actually be built?
I personally can say that I would have absolutely no problem paying Idra for gosucoaching lessons :p Nothing against the coaches of gosucoaching, its just the only Zergs I would want to learn from are Idra and Sen just cause I feel like I would learn the most from them.
On September 05 2010 04:12 Ysorigin wrote: I personally can say that I would have absolutely no problem paying Idra for gosucoaching lessons :p Nothing against the coaches of gosucoaching, its just the only Zergs I would want to learn from are Idra and Sen just cause I feel like I would learn the most from them.
dimaga would also attract lots of attention as a zerg coach imho.
On September 05 2010 04:02 ghermination wrote: Cool, so now Idra has realized that he can make more money swindling his own fan base with "gosu camp" or "gosu coaching" than he can by actually trying. I've honestly lost all respect for EG in the last year.
I'm sure any team in the world would want to pick him up for sc2. Are there no korean teams he could go to where his skill would actually be built?
Idea in eg? I wouldve atleast go with OGs and TL woulve been a better decision because they are In Korea with the gal and none of the eg players are and I think it'd be better to practice with ogs players since they are one of the best Korean players out tere. Correct me if I'm wrong Though
On September 05 2010 04:29 Beneather wrote: Idea in eg? I wouldve atleast go with OGs and TL woulve been a better decision because they are In Korea with the gal and none of the eg players are and I think it'd be better to practice with ogs players since they are one of the best Korean players out tere. Correct me if I'm wrong Though
IdrA has been practicing w/ TLO actually... I don't see why joining EG would limit who he can practice with anyways though...
On September 04 2010 20:46 dahornnn wrote: eg probably has the most money out of foreign orgs and one of the only few who could/would afford him ;o
lol...
On September 04 2010 20:47 son1dow wrote: I've heard that EG's salaries are the biggest out there
Double the lulz
On September 04 2010 21:15 Lowko wrote: People... It's all about money. Apparantly EG offered him quite a lot of money, and that made him switch. I don't think he is forced to go back to the states or somewhere else. He has a lot more freedom in EG than in CJ and he will actually be able to communicate with the team.
Wheres your source? Oh wait you have none.
On September 04 2010 21:15 EleanorRIgby wrote: idra probably simply took the deal he got the most from...
On September 04 2010 21:15 Fantistic wrote: Didn't see this coming since Lz and IdrA don't get along.
LOL where do you people come up with this stuff? O idra called Lz a cheesy fag they must not get along, yet Lz always mentions on his stream when people talk about Idra, how Greg is actually a very nice guy and people take what he says in his games too seriously.
You're one of the few people on TL that I would trust as a source in this thread, you heard anything?
Funny thing, I think everyone on TL has some perception that every player on a Team EG, a Team fnatic, SK Gaming, etc. all are salaried players. You'd really be surprised, especially for a new division like the SSF4 division, I wouldn't be surprised if jwong, marn and rickyortiz aren't salaried but get paid the transportation and hotels and stuff to go to events all across the country. That doesn't mean they're getting salaried though.
On September 05 2010 03:05 Xeris wrote: Lol @ someone saying Nony is the co-founder of Liquid ..
LOL!
Basically summarizes about 98% of the posters so far
ALL THIS wont matter though as long as iNcontroL types some gibberish though, obviously.
... A slightly strange if not underwhelming decision by Idra. I can see him leaving CJ due to it's disbandment by drama but that's a pretty random choice.
The posts in this thread have been utterly hilarious. Tasteless says one thing and the speculation that follows is insane.
Tasteless says "IdrA, an EG player" or something to that effect.
What follows?
"OMG IdrA coming back to USA!" "OMG EG starting Korean division!"
There's a chance this is true, because - no offense to the EG guys, they do great work, but - they're terrible about keeping things from getting out before announcement. But I guess we'll all have to wait and see when EG announces this.
Lots of uninformed, baseless and straight up wrong information going around in this thread. EG (and compLexity) are the largest and most professional teams currently in North America. Root, although having some great players, is not even moderately close to the financial situation of both of those teams, let alone the other international organizations. And what Korean teams are the rest of you talking about that currently involve Starcraft 2 players?
On September 05 2010 07:56 Slasher wrote: Lots of uninformed, baseless and straight up wrong information going around in this thread. EG (and compLexity) are the largest and most professional teams currently in North America. Root, although having some great players, is not even moderately close to the financial situation of both of those teams, let alone the other international organizations. And what Korean teams are the rest of you talking about that currently involve Starcraft 2 players?
I think they're talking about clans like oGs, Prime, WeRRa.. whats sad is this threads information is coming from forum noobs who need to keep lurking before posting ridiculous shit...
On September 05 2010 07:56 Slasher wrote: Lots of uninformed, baseless and straight up wrong information going around in this thread. EG (and compLexity) are the largest and most professional teams currently in North America. Root, although having some great players, is not even moderately close to the financial situation of both of those teams, let alone the other international organizations. And what Korean teams are the rest of you talking about that currently involve Starcraft 2 players?
I think they're talking about clans like oGs, Prime, WeRRa.. whats sad is this threads information is coming from forum noobs who need to keep lurking before posting ridiculous shit...
Either way, those said teams have literally no financial basis as they are only mere teams than sponsored organizations.
Idra needs $$$ and somewhere to stay while he plays SC2. Seems logical to me he'd pick the only (I think?) American team that actually has something resembling the Korean 'practice house' going on.
Perhaps the reason he isn't going to oGs or Prime is because he's tired of being unable to communicate with his teammates. Though EG has no other members in Korea as of now.
I don't see how this could possibly work. Idra no doubt considers himself better than everyone on the team (which is probably true) and from what i've heard hates LZ (hearsay obviously).
Will be interesting to see how long this lasts if true.
Edit: Should point out that I hope this does work. It would bring more great American players together and no doubt his play would make everyone else on the team better.
Well Day9 does say that EG players do BM a lot (i don't really know i've just heard him say it on his stream a few times)
So in a way it would be the perfect fit lol. Don't get me wrong IdrA is my favorite player... because of his BM's. I dont get how hes called a "robot" hes like the only one who displays emotion on sc2 :D
Did he pick EG maybe because he couldn't get on another Korean team? Either way, I think EG is a good spot for him... as long as he stays in Korea and continues to practice with the Koreans.
On September 05 2010 09:31 Zenny wrote: Did he pick EG maybe because he couldn't get on another Korean team? Either way, I think EG is a good spot for him... as long as he stays in Korea and continues to practice with the Koreans.
Really doubt a korean team would not want him. He said he had some personal preferences as to why he doesn't want to be on a "kespa" team (practice hours etc) sc2 esports will be in Korea so i'd hope he stays there.
On September 05 2010 09:31 Zenny wrote: Did he pick EG maybe because he couldn't get on another Korean team? Either way, I think EG is a good spot for him... as long as he stays in Korea and continues to practice with the Koreans.
Really doubt a korean team would not want him. He said he had some personal preferences as to why he doesn't want to be on a "kespa" team (practice hours etc) sc2 esports will be in Korea so i'd hope he stays there.
Haha yeah for sure, I wasn't saying he was bad, merely because I don't think he performed well against/with Koreans in BW? It's an uneducated assumption so I have no idea, it was just a thought.
Yeah, why wouldn't he stay in Korea... although if he wins GSL (let's hope so). He will have the doe to go anywhere he wants and travel as much as he needs to
IdrA might perfect his reaper counter from playing Lz a lot. Mmmm, EG is going to be big soon (not that it isn't already big, gonna be freaking huge soon), probably going to pick up some more sponsors easily with IdrA on the team.
It isn't really a rumor, if you watch the VOD on gomtv.net, tasteless says idra has joined EG and so has himself. I don't think he's careless enough to announce something that isn't so set in stone already.
On September 05 2010 10:57 vulcangrey wrote: It isn't really a rumor, if you watch the VOD on gomtv.net, tasteless says idra has joined EG and so has himself. I don't think he's careless enough to announce something that isn't so set in stone already.
I don't think Tasteless would say he is the captain of a team (didn't he?) and IdrA joined the team just for no reason during the biggest tournament so far. Personally, I think it's really stupid, because I'm not a huge fan of EG (mostly the non sc2 squads), but it's still cool of him to pick a major american team.
On September 05 2010 11:24 Contagious wrote: I don't think Tasteless would say he is the captain of a team (didn't he?) and IdrA joined the team just for no reason during the biggest tournament so far. Personally, I think it's really stupid, because I'm not a huge fan of EG (mostly the non sc2 squads), but it's still cool of him to pick a major american team.
from what I remember Tasteless did not say he was Captain, maybe manager? Probably just organizer and helper for when other eG members want to visit Korea for tourneys.
I read somewhere that the average Korean salary is somewhere around $20,000/year. This was a little while ago so I don't remember exactly. Maybe somebody from Korea can confirm? So he should be able to afford rent and food + save on the side with 24k/year?
Q: What do you have planned for South Korea. How long do you intend on staying and what are you objectives.
A: Thanks to the GSL, I think Korea is the place to be for Starcraft II at the moment. Until that changes, I'll stay here. I signed with the American team EG, and they're supporting me through GSL and other international tournaments.
Qu'as-tu prévu en Corée du Sud, combien de temps comptes-tu rester, quel est ton objectif ?
Grâce à la GSL je pense que la Corée est l'endroit où il faut être pour StarCraft II en ce moment, jusqu'à ce que çà change je resterais ici. J'ai signé avec l'équipe américaine EG et ils me supportent dans ma participation à la GSL et à quelques autres tournois internationaux.
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
Korea has a lower cost of living than the US? That is news to me...
On September 05 2010 19:23 dahornnn wrote: dont forget eg will cover every expense when he goes to events
Lets not forget he's living the dream as well, getting paid to play video games . 2000 dollars a month is more than enough to cower your living expenses like rent, food, hygiene products etc. He should have plenty to spend on entertainment after all that.
Team-aAa : Hi Idra, how are you? How did your match go? It's not your first match in Korea but I believe it's your first on a stage here, how did it feel?
Greg "IdrA" Fields : Yeah, it's great it's the bigegst esports event I have ever seen, furthermore I played the opening match and I won it pretty easily. I'm very happy to be here.
Who's your most feared player and why?
Kim Won Gi, hiw nickname is Cool[fOu] from StarCraft 1, he's the best zerg player in Korea and I think ZvZ is my worst matchup. That makes him the most dangerous player for me.
What are your plans in South-Korea? How long do you want to stay here, what's your goal?
Thanks to the GSL I think Korea is the place to be for StarCraft 2 today, I'll stay here until this situation changes. I'm now a member of the american team EG and they support me for the GSL and several other international events.
How is everyday's life here? Do you live in a gaming house like some other korean players? What's your daily schedule?
These days it's quite erratic cause I live at tasteless's home until I get my own place. But next week I'll move to my own home and then I'll try to play StarCraft 2 as much as I can.
Do you also find some time to enjoy life in Seoul?
Yes, I make sure to relax because it's important, you can't play well if you don't relax from time to time.
What's missing in Europe to have the same kind of events and as many professionnal players as in Korea?
I'm not sure, when I was in Germany, the crowd was bigger than at the GSL. I think Europe was behind for StarCraft 1 but there is a real possibility for Europe to catch up its delay.
Do you know if any other European players plan to come in Korea? Who would you like to see here?
I'd like to see SarenS, he was a good StarCraft 1 player and he has performed very well so I think he has potential to succeed in Korea. I would also like to see Ret even if he didn't really achieve anything in StarCraft 2 yet, but he's as talented as anyone here. So if he's decides to focus he should be part of the best players. The East-European players Dimaga and WhiteRa are also good players, I'd like to see them in Korea and compete with Korean players.
Is it easy to practice with Korean players? Do you play custom games with them?
I don't practice with a lot of Korean players, I know five or six players I like to practice with, but they are also my opponents. Practicing with somebody would feel weird, so I mainly play Ladder games and custom games on US servers. It's easier for me to practice with players from TeamLiquid.
If you had to change something in the game what would that be?
I really think that when you look at the basics, the game looks great. There are a few balance details have to be fixed, but the core is really really good. If I had to change something I would remove the Multiple Building Selection and I would modify it because it will make macro to easy, even if it's fine today. This game has the potential to be huge in esports.
Last Word?
I want to thank everyone who watched the stream, I hope you will enjoy the GSL, they do it for the spectators so everything depends on you! Thanks for cheering on me!
Good choice. Grubby seems to be very happy with this team, although he's the only S-Player in their roster. The fact alone, that they could hold him for 1,5 years now shows how solid and stable EG is in their management etc. I would asume that this is the main motivator for Idra. He does'nt need a good SCII team. He just needs a robust organisation and appealing salary.
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
Korea has a lower cost of living than the US? That is news to me...
I don't know for US but it's way cheaper than Europe at least, I mean if you don't go clubbing every night.
On September 05 2010 19:51 shin ken wrote: Good choice. Grubby seems to be very happy with this team, although he's the only S-Player in their roster. The fact alone, that they could hold him for 1,5 years now shows how solid and stable EG is in their management etc. I would asume that this is the main motivator for Idra. He does'nt need a good SCII team. He just needs a robust organisation and appealing salary.
with there 1.6 team, grubby and now idra they will be s class is each game!
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
Korea has a lower cost of living than the US? That is news to me...
I don't know for US but it's way cheaper than Europe at least, I mean if you don't go clubbing every night.
Europe isnt A country, its depends where, every single country is different...
On September 05 2010 19:51 shin ken wrote: Good choice. Grubby seems to be very happy with this team, although he's the only S-Player in their roster. The fact alone, that they could hold him for 1,5 years now shows how solid and stable EG is in their management etc. I would asume that this is the main motivator for Idra. He does'nt need a good SCII team. He just needs a robust organisation and appealing salary.
with there 1.6 team, grubby and now idra they will be s class is each game!
You are forgetting the fighting game players. Afaik, they have pretty fucking good players in that scene aswell?
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
Korea has a lower cost of living than the US? That is news to me...
I don't know for US but it's way cheaper than Europe at least, I mean if you don't go clubbing every night.
Europe isnt A country, its depends where, every single country is different...
Ok, france/germany/uk at least then, sorry for my french vision of europe.
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
Korea has a lower cost of living than the US? That is news to me...
I don't know for US but it's way cheaper than Europe at least, I mean if you don't go clubbing every night.
Europe is way more expensive cost of living wise than the US. Ever tried to buy a PS3 in Europe?
On September 05 2010 18:58 EleanorRIgby wrote: i heard from a source hes getting big bucks like 2k++ amonth
Is that alot? o0..
$24,000 a year isn't quite a lot, but I'm assuming EG are going to foot the cost for his living expenses in Korea.
Plus you could imagine it like the wage for having a sales job anyway. Idra gets $24k/yr in a country with a lower cost of living than the US, and then he also gets to enter tournaments where he can potentially win big bucks to supplement his income. He got $2500 or so from IEM, and he's already on $500 or so from GSL. That's an extra $3k already.
Korea has a lower cost of living than the US? That is news to me...
$2k a month with the current exchange rate is about 2.4 million won a month. If you don't have to pay rent and you don't own a car you can save about half of it.
Public transport, eating out, and other costs such as electricity, internet are very reasonable in SK.
On September 05 2010 19:51 shin ken wrote: Good choice. Grubby seems to be very happy with this team, although he's the only S-Player in their roster. The fact alone, that they could hold him for 1,5 years now shows how solid and stable EG is in their management etc. I would asume that this is the main motivator for Idra. He does'nt need a good SCII team. He just needs a robust organisation and appealing salary.
Exactly this. EG doesn't need to invest in more than 1 top player since there are no rich team leagues to make money from. I predict IdrA will represent EG for a long time.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
Wait a sec Incontrol do you actually care what random forum trolls think about your abilities. You know and lots of pros know that you have a solid team at EG and you guys have great players. Just keep up the great contributions to the community and continue to wreck some tournaments
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
Wait a sec Incontrol do you actually care what random forum trolls think about your abilities. You know and lots of pros know that you have a solid team at EG and you guys have great players. Just keep up the great contributions to the community and continue to wreck some tournaments
Heh, i was just going to post something like this. Chill out Incontrol.
Everyone knows that only Lzgamer is the weakest in EG's lineup!
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
Makes sense if the rumor is true. The most financially stable NA team with the best roster of players across all the top games. Their SC roster is arguably the weakest of the lot (sorry guys) so IdrA joining would round it out nicely.
GosuGamers (http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12979-idra-partners-with-eg) IdrA partners with EG Posted by Karsten "pYRo" Haendly 1 hour ago The American player Greg "IdrA" Fields signs up with team EG, IdrA confirms in an interview with aAa after his GSL opening match.
What only was a hint from Tasteless on yesterday's GSL stream, now gets confirmed by IdrA himself, stating in an interview with aAa that EG "supports [him] for the GSL and other international tournaments."
IdrA very well-known in the StarCraft scene as he is one of the foreign players who tried his best in the Korean programing life. Over three years ago he started out to Korea, living first with eSTRO and eventually with CJ Entus. Although he never had an appearance in TV with StarCraft Brood War, the opening match of the new GSL in StarCraft 2, featuring the American star, was broadcasted world-wide.
GosuGamers (http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12979-idra-partners-with-eg) IdrA partners with EG Posted by Karsten "pYRo" Haendly 1 hour ago The American player Greg "IdrA" Fields signs up with team EG, IdrA confirms in an interview with aAa after his GSL opening match.
What only was a hint from Tasteless on yesterday's GSL stream, now gets confirmed by IdrA himself, stating in an interview with aAa that EG "supports [him] for the GSL and other international tournaments."
IdrA very well-known in the StarCraft scene as he is one of the foreign players who tried his best in the Korean programing life. Over three years ago he started out to Korea, living first with eSTRO and eventually with CJ Entus. Although he never had an appearance in TV with StarCraft Brood War, the opening match of the new GSL in StarCraft 2, featuring the American star, was broadcasted world-wide.
Yeah, there's also a translation of that french aAa interview a few posts above. Maybe they should copy that stuff to the OP so that people actually notice it.
On September 05 2010 19:51 shin ken wrote: Good choice. Grubby seems to be very happy with this team, although he's the only S-Player in their roster. The fact alone, that they could hold him for 1,5 years now shows how solid and stable EG is in their management etc. I would asume that this is the main motivator for Idra. He does'nt need a good SCII team. He just needs a robust organisation and appealing salary.
with there 1.6 team, grubby and now idra they will be s class is each game!
It was that way for DotA as well before Merlini left EG
If you had to change something in the game what would that be?
I really think that when you look at the basics, the game looks great. There are a few balance details have to be fixed, but the core is really really good. If I had to change something I would remove the Multiple Building Selection and I would modify it because it will make macro to easy, even if it's fine today. This game has the potential to be huge in esports.
Thank you for the translation!
This last question is interesting...I wonder how exactly IdrA would want to modify MBS
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
iNcontroL i think you, lz, and inka are underrated, but whenever i see machine play in tournies, he doesnt have good performance
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
Gotta win the tournaments to get the major respect from the elitist TL crowd.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
=\ Haters gonna hate. Don't worry about it dude, you guys still have tons of fans.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
You and those many others must not have played broodwar? lol...
Good choice from IdrA as far as I can tell. Although no korean team which is disappoint. EG has decent funding which is what IdrA needs. CJ be missing out.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
You really shouldn't post something like this on a Starcraft site with it's roots in Broodwar if you don't know your Broodwar players ;D A huge amount of posters on TL know who the EG guys are.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
You really shouldn't post something like this on a Starcraft site with it's roots in Broodwar if you don't know your Broodwar players ;D A huge amount of posters on TL know who the EG guys are.
GosuGamers (http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12979-idra-partners-with-eg) IdrA partners with EG Posted by Karsten "pYRo" Haendly 1 hour ago The American player Greg "IdrA" Fields signs up with team EG, IdrA confirms in an interview with aAa after his GSL opening match.
What only was a hint from Tasteless on yesterday's GSL stream, now gets confirmed by IdrA himself, stating in an interview with aAa that EG "supports [him] for the GSL and other international tournaments."
IdrA very well-known in the StarCraft scene as he is one of the foreign players who tried his best in the Korean programing life. Over three years ago he started out to Korea, living first with eSTRO and eventually with CJ Entus. Although he never had an appearance in TV with StarCraft Brood War, the opening match of the new GSL in StarCraft 2, featuring the American star, was broadcasted world-wide.
Yup what Tasteless said was definitely just a "hint". I really don't get the EG bashing though.All of them are really good.
On September 05 2010 22:44 Keitzer wrote: change the title (and the OP)
GosuGamers (http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12979-idra-partners-with-eg) IdrA partners with EG Posted by Karsten "pYRo" Haendly 1 hour ago The American player Greg "IdrA" Fields signs up with team EG, IdrA confirms in an interview with aAa after his GSL opening match.
What only was a hint from Tasteless on yesterday's GSL stream, now gets confirmed by IdrA himself, stating in an interview with aAa that EG "supports [him] for the GSL and other international tournaments."
IdrA very well-known in the StarCraft scene as he is one of the foreign players who tried his best in the Korean programing life. Over three years ago he started out to Korea, living first with eSTRO and eventually with CJ Entus. Although he never had an appearance in TV with StarCraft Brood War, the opening match of the new GSL in StarCraft 2, featuring the American star, was broadcasted world-wide.
Yup what Tasteless said was definitely just a "hint". I really don't get the EG bashing though.All of them are really good.
EDITED WITH A MORE EXACT QUOTE
Tasteless said "By the way, idra just signed with team EG after leaving the CJ team, and I am actually on team EG as well as a Starcraft division leader right now. So he's no longer on CJ, he's wanted to be on a north american team, and EG has got a lot of players like Justin Wong, Grubby, people like that, so a very exciting moment for him as well. " Exact Quote from gom VOD. Not exactly a hint lol.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
I wouldnt worry about it, there will always be haters who trash people for no apparent reason. You guys have tons of fans, as you can see with the thousands of viewers on your streams. I love listening to the vent conversations on LZ's stream when you guys talk balance or something. Its pretty awesome. Just stream more! =D and I am sure you guys will place way better in DC when you dont have to play each other in the early rounds.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
How can you be part of the TL community and not know team EG?
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
How can you be part of the TL community and not know team EG?
haha if you are going to know any team in north america it should be team EG.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
Most of the new kids judge by tournament results (who placed 1st and 2nd mostly), so its no surprise. They dont know what kind of force EG was in BW, and hopefully will be in SC2 also ^^
This sucks I really like EG, EG is filled with a bunch of manner guys who play together and try to give back to the SC community. Now they have a nasty dark stain on their untarnished reputation.
On September 05 2010 21:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote: man I had no idea so many of you guys thought so little about machine, lzgamer, inka and myself lol. Sorry we didn't win MLG guys!
No offense, but I and probably many other had no idea who you were until MLG.
On September 06 2010 02:00 FlashIsHigh wrote: This sucks I really like EG, EG is filled with a bunch of manner guys who play together and try to give back to the SC community. Now they have a nasty dark stain on their untarnished reputation.
On September 06 2010 02:00 FlashIsHigh wrote: This sucks I really like EG, EG is filled with a bunch of manner guys who play together and try to give back to the SC community. Now they have a nasty dark stain on their untarnished reputation.
haters gonna hate
haha idra's a good guy and a great player. Id say thier rep took a bigger hit with the whole gosu coaching thing then it did by adding idra. Idra helps thier rep more than it hurts
dude i'd also like to add that the EG guys are the most pleasant, awesome people around! Not only that, but I was quite impressed watching them play at MLG (esp YOU incontrol).
On September 06 2010 02:33 Day[9] wrote: fuck yeah idra! :D
awesome interview : ]
I like IdrA because you like IdrA, day9 :D
It's fun to picture idra as an angry ragebomb, but he's super awesome IRL! Well, actually online he's only ever been pleasant to me :D. So, IDRA FIGHTIIIING~~~
On September 06 2010 02:35 Day[9] wrote: dude i'd also like to add that the EG guys are the most pleasant, awesome people around! Not only that, but I was quite impressed watching them play at MLG (esp YOU incontrol).
That must be just for making Incontrol feel better!
wow thats great for eG! While Lz, incontrol, machine and inka are all good players, none of them are currently good enough to win a big event on the global level.
But IdrA brings in international exposure for eG, especially in Korea, this a huge step for eG. They could perhaps even win the first GSL ever! how huge would that be :O Hopefully this will help motivate the other eG members to improve so we can see them all in the GSL
Congrats to eG, look forward to seeing the team excel now
Good for him, though he could probably pick any North American organization he pleased and moved on in. I guess I'm more curious as to whether he is staying in Korea or moving back to the states? Will be a regular practice partner to the EG guys? Lord knows they need it.
If you had to change something in the game what would that be?
I really think that when you look at the basics, the game looks great. There are a few balance details have to be fixed, but the core is really really good. If I had to change something I would remove the Multiple Building Selection and I would modify it because it will make macro to easy, even if it's fine today. This game has the potential to be huge in esports.
Thank you for the translation!
This last question is interesting...I wonder how exactly IdrA would want to modify MBS
I believe he wants to remove it....
I have to say I agree, even though it would be very hard to go back to BW building select. I really think manually macroing allowed for a greater variance in playstyle/focus. If you look at top BW players right now, they have nearly impeccable macro without MBS off of 5-6 bases, it's not hard to imagine very close to perfect macro being achieved once SC2 gets serious....which is a problem for the E-sport.
On September 06 2010 02:00 FlashIsHigh wrote: This sucks I really like EG, EG is filled with a bunch of manner guys who play together and try to give back to the SC community. Now they have a nasty dark stain on their untarnished reputation.
lol at incontrol atleast pretending to care when someone said that "he probally wasnt known before the last tournament". Oh god man. Wish Inc had fakestevish humor right there.
But I guess that he rthinks that impression of newer tl'ers = their performance. And tbh their performance havent been too hot lately :o
all 4 spots so far have been taken by former top american sc players even though no one cares anymore. third tier americans were/are god awful. if those kinds of players make it in its going to be after the likes of inc and inka and whatnot easily. wcg is gonna be the same old faces. minus lzgamer cuz hes bad.
On April 09 2009 11:58 rel wrote: did lzgamer machine and g5 take like a whole year off, and just played mad games together to become good, cause they used to be HORRIBLE heh.
On December 05 2009 15:50 Lz wrote: Ranged if you wanna call it "overly hyped team such as EG" you should really stop.. and think that EVERY member of EG was at WCG USA finals this past year
but one of them lost to lzgamer... doesnt that kind of negate everything?
I would love to know why he chose an american team instead of a korean team. I think its because there really arent any sc2 korean teams because its not that big over there.
On September 06 2010 05:27 andeh wrote: I would love to know why he chose an american team instead of a korean team. I think its because there really arent any sc2 korean teams because its not that big over there.
But we'll probably never know~~
He basically said why in his statement when leaving CJ. He was pretty tired of their training schedule f.ex.
Tester and Into the Rainbow (think that was the 2nd guy) left oGs for that reason, and oGs is an SC2 team. I assume all korean proteams have very similiar schedules/life styles.
On September 06 2010 05:27 andeh wrote: I would love to know why he chose an american team instead of a korean team. I think its because there really arent any sc2 korean teams because its not that big over there.
But we'll probably never know~~
He basically said why in his statement when leaving CJ. He was pretty tired of their training schedule f.ex.
Tester and Into the Rainbow (think that was the 2nd guy) left oGs for that reason, and oGs is an SC2 team. I assume all korean proteams have very similiar schedules/life styles.
On September 06 2010 05:42 Ziemas wrote: It was Cool, not ITR.
Thank you.
And as for all the "lol idra hates the eg players", it doesnt matter. Realistically he wont interact much with them since he will stay in Korea, and focus on the GSL. Its a different scene.
Forcing him to practice with the other EG players makes zero sense on every level. His real team mates will be whoever ends up with EG in Korea, and I really dont think any of the current EG roster willl.
On September 06 2010 05:27 andeh wrote: I would love to know why he chose an american team instead of a korean team. I think its because there really arent any sc2 korean teams because its not that big over there.
But we'll probably never know~~
He basically said why in his statement when leaving CJ. He was pretty tired of their training schedule f.ex.
Tester and Into the Rainbow (think that was the 2nd guy) left oGs for that reason, and oGs is an SC2 team. I assume all korean proteams have very similiar schedules/life styles.
On September 06 2010 07:07 Piski wrote: ^^ yeah his contract was up, it wasnt because he got tired of the training regime
I didnt say he left of his own accord, and its not the point. Point is he was tired of the training schedule, ergo him joining another Korean team would be strange.
He's better off on EG, now he can actually enjoy life when he's not playing SCII, the training regimes for the pro teams is just ridiculous and counter productive. Pretty nice coup for EG to get such a top class player on your line up.
all 4 spots so far have been taken by former top american sc players even though no one cares anymore. third tier americans were/are god awful. if those kinds of players make it in its going to be after the likes of inc and inka and whatnot easily. wcg is gonna be the same old faces. minus lzgamer cuz hes bad.
On April 09 2009 11:58 rel wrote: did lzgamer machine and g5 take like a whole year off, and just played mad games together to become good, cause they used to be HORRIBLE heh.
On December 05 2009 15:50 Lz wrote: Ranged if you wanna call it "overly hyped team such as EG" you should really stop.. and think that EVERY member of EG was at WCG USA finals this past year
but one of them lost to lzgamer... doesnt that kind of negate everything?
"OH GOT EG'S GONNA MAKE HIM MOVE TO AMERICA" Nah dog. Why would you leave one of the biggest eSports markets to come back to one that's barely on it's feet? EG's pretty vicious in their business decisions and isn't dumb enough to move him from a big market to a much smaller market. Plus they know their way around global eSports, Korea is to starcraft what Sweden is to counter-strike(which doesn't give korea it's due really, it's a whole 'nother level) - the mecca the place where the best of the best of the best of the best play. A great environment for their players - and they know it. They wouldn't move him from there.
"WHY WOULD HE JOIN EG? THEY SUCK" It's about the cheddar - intel, kingston, steelseries, MSi, Gigabyte etc aren't exactly small sponsors when you look at their market share in their respective areas.
Then you go to the fact that they aren't' slouches when it comes their roster: Justin Wong is bar none the best player in north american SF4, their CS team is the best team in North america and a serious international contender who just won their first international event over fnatic, Grubby is Grubby and Da_hang from their QL division gives rapha a run for his money. No slouches anywhere in the lineup. They basically have some of the best talent in every game they support.
So basically l2westernesportsorganizations.PEACE.....
ON TOPIC: I hope it's true that makes me smile. I remember thinking that no north american org would be able to really compete in starcraft only a year ago, but if EG gets Idra they really might be able to
Not gonna get specific here but EG has a yearly budget in the hundreds of thousands(you don't have to believe it since i don't want to give much more than that, but it's true). The CS team + Dahang from the QL team all have salaries for sure, not sure who else though. I'm sure with How big SC2 is getting Idra's contract includes a nice salary.
Idra going to EG is a great choice because of how much they bring to the table. Best organization in North America by far and one of the best non korean pro gaming organizations in the world. Just because the SC2 team wasn't the best doesn't mean the organization doesn't have funding, they've been an organization for ages and locked down great sponsorships in their time like Intel.
On September 06 2010 07:23 Not_A_Notion wrote: He's better off on EG, now he can actually enjoy life when he's not playing SCII, the training regimes for the pro teams is just ridiculous and counter productive. Pretty nice coup for EG to get such a top class player on your line up.
On September 06 2010 07:23 Not_A_Notion wrote: He's better off on EG, now he can actually enjoy life when he's not playing SCII, the training regimes for the pro teams is just ridiculous and counter productive. Pretty nice coup for EG to get such a top class player on your line up.
On September 06 2010 05:27 andeh wrote: I would love to know why he chose an american team instead of a korean team. I think its because there really arent any sc2 korean teams because its not that big over there.
But we'll probably never know~~
He basically said why in his statement when leaving CJ. He was pretty tired of their training schedule f.ex.
Tester and Into the Rainbow (think that was the 2nd guy) left oGs for that reason, and oGs is an SC2 team. I assume all korean proteams have very similiar schedules/life styles.
no it was Tester and Cool (sSKS and FruitSeller)
IntoTheRainbow just quit playing after King of the Beta but he's back for GSL now
I'd be surprised if EG can pay him a salary that sustains his life in Korea sans job... moveover, I don't know Korea's visa laws, but sans job how's his visa situation. I'd bet strongly he comes back to the states.
EG has several big-name sponsors and probably offered IdrA a hefty salary + expenses deal. At the end of the day, a professional is playing for the money so he accepted.
On September 07 2010 00:02 sk` wrote: I'd be surprised if EG can pay him a salary that sustains his life in Korea sans job... moveover, I don't know Korea's visa laws, but sans job how's his visa situation. I'd bet strongly he comes back to the states.
He won't come back to states any time soon. Idra has stated that 10000 times.
GSL In korea > the best possible place for a progamer.
On September 04 2010 20:36 GTR wrote: I didn't say SC2 team. I said organization. EG as an organization, have been around for a long time. much longer than the other teams (except for those like SK).
This right here. And Idra would add (will add) a great deal to the team.
If I had to change something I would remove the Multiple Building Selection and I would modify it because it will make macro to easy, even if it's fine today.
Of course a zerg player would want to get rid of MBS. tee hee. silly idra with his ninja nerfs
also, It makes me a sad panda to see IdrA live by himself... but then again maybe he wants his privacy so he can put that pimp cane he got @ IEM cologne to good use.
root gaming got incredible exposure during beta which probably created the illusion they are more solid that EG, thats my theory for why all these insane noobs think EG is some lower tier team. the fuck? i dont think inka even played much of beta until phase 2 + machine is mechanically stronger than sheth/slush IMO so the longer the game is out eventually machine will surpass the other zergs...and louder doesnt even play it seems like
also EG didnt have some shining golden boy like TLO to win fans. those are my theories because im baffled at all this "at least EG has 1 good member now" non sense
Not to piss in anyones nice cup of hot chocolate, but isn't it a bit unusual for an involved team manager to be a caster for the arranging entity of a cup?
On September 08 2010 05:30 billyX333 wrote: root gaming got incredible exposure during beta which probably created the illusion they are more solid that EG, thats my theory for why all these insane noobs think EG is some lower tier team. the fuck? i dont think inka even played much of beta until phase 2 + machine is mechanically stronger than sheth/slush IMO so the longer the game is out eventually machine will surpass the other zergs...and louder doesnt even play it seems like
also EG didnt have some shining golden boy like TLO to win fans. those are my theories because im baffled at all this "at least EG has 1 good member now" non sense
To be fair, Root is a solid team that places well consistently in all their tournaments, that doesn't take away from the fact that EG is one of the top organizations around. Let them say what they want though, Root's team is good but they're still out there looking for sponsors where EG as an organization has been doing it for years, across Warcraft 3, SC BW, CS, WoW, Quake, etc.
I think the pressure will come for some of the EG players to perform on the big stage, but i dont think its going to come as quick as people think, sc2 is new, lans are just starting and they have a solid roster of players.
On September 08 2010 05:46 Ghad wrote: Not to piss in anyones nice cup of hot chocolate, but isn't it a bit unusual for an involved team manager to be a caster for the arranging entity of a cup?
On September 08 2010 05:30 billyX333 wrote: root gaming got incredible exposure during beta which probably created the illusion they are more solid that EG, thats my theory for why all these insane noobs think EG is some lower tier team. the fuck? i dont think inka even played much of beta until phase 2 + machine is mechanically stronger than sheth/slush IMO so the longer the game is out eventually machine will surpass the other zergs...and louder doesnt even play it seems like
also EG didnt have some shining golden boy like TLO to win fans. those are my theories because im baffled at all this "at least EG has 1 good member now" non sense
After several clan war... EG vs ROOT (root is dominating)... and in the MLG Raleigh all EG memebrs were out before 1 member of root was out? or maybe Catz got out before.... don't remember.
I don't want to say that EG is a lesser team but really... right now you gotta give Rootboys some credit. They lack the sponsorship but that could be a temporary thing.
Anyhow, both team deserves to live, I'd just like to see Root get a solid sponsor
On September 08 2010 05:30 billyX333 wrote: root gaming got incredible exposure during beta which probably created the illusion they are more solid that EG, thats my theory for why all these insane noobs think EG is some lower tier team. the fuck? i dont think inka even played much of beta until phase 2 + machine is mechanically stronger than sheth/slush IMO so the longer the game is out eventually machine will surpass the other zergs...and louder doesnt even play it seems like
also EG didnt have some shining golden boy like TLO to win fans. those are my theories because im baffled at all this "at least EG has 1 good member now" non sense
After several clan war... EG vs ROOT (root is dominating)... and in the MLG Raleigh all EG memebrs were out before 1 member of root was out? or maybe Catz got out before.... don't remember.
I don't want to say that EG is a lesser team but really... right now you gotta give Rootboys some credit. They lack the sponsorship but that could be a temporary thing.
Anyhow, both team deserves to live, I'd just like to see Root get a solid sponsor
i think i misstated my point. i was just trying to theorize why these nubs think EG is no good root definitely has outperformed EG but i see the pro scene more as a marathon rather than a sprint root really sprinted out the gate hard and seemed like they had somethin to prove by showin up at every tournament with their A game i felt like EG was lollygagging through beta, more concerned with coaching nubs than actually beating nubs ill agree that right now root>EG but we'll see what happens in the years ahead
so for all those speculators I couldn't silence earlier:
EG has IdrA/Tasteless. IdrA will obviously remain in korea where he will play GSL each month and whatever else he has time for. Tasteless will promote EG in korea and those 2 will function as our homebase should EG America come to korea for .. anything
No EG does not suck. We are fucking good. We have our excuses for MLG but we do just fine in other tourneys. Short of winning we are not happy however so expect us to do BETTER. Machine, iNkA, LZgamer and myself are all top notch gamers who are taking this very very serious. We are training and theorizing and working on this. If we don't impress you now, that's fine, give us time.
haters gonna hate and all.. but sometimes idiots gonna be idiots too.
We are proud to have IdrA and Tasteless.
PS: The Lzgamer/IdrA drama? Doesn't exist. Move along.
iiNcontroL forum fwightinggg!. Beat down them haters. EG been rolling nerds for years. I do find idra to EG a little odd, as he would probably get more meaningful practice in the oGs/Liquid house. But then again his competition would know his style inside and out.
On September 08 2010 06:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote: so for all those speculators I couldn't silence earlier:
EG has IdrA/Tasteless. IdrA will obviously remain in korea where he will play GSL each month and whatever else he has time for. Tasteless will promote EG in korea and those 2 will function as our homebase should EG America come to korea for .. anything
No EG does not suck. We are fucking good. We have our excuses for MLG but we do just fine in other tourneys. Short of winning we are not happy however so expect us to do BETTER. Machine, iNkA, LZgamer and myself are all top notch gamers who are taking this very very serious. We are training and theorizing and working on this. If we don't impress you now, that's fine, give us time.
haters gonna hate and all.. but sometimes idiots gonna be idiots too.
We are proud to have IdrA and Tasteless.
PS: The Lzgamer/IdrA drama? Doesn't exist. Move along.
Maybe a silly question but will you guys be regular practice partners with Idra? Is that part of the deal, or is it very much do as you were doing?
Man, big players moving around a lot already. First was dimaga, then sen, and now Idra. It's a great pick up and good luck to the team in the future. US fighting yo. Canada is dominating us right now...
On September 08 2010 06:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote: so for all those speculators I couldn't silence earlier:
EG has IdrA/Tasteless. IdrA will obviously remain in korea where he will play GSL each month and whatever else he has time for. Tasteless will promote EG in korea and those 2 will function as our homebase should EG America come to korea for .. anything
No EG does not suck. We are fucking good. We have our excuses for MLG but we do just fine in other tourneys. Short of winning we are not happy however so expect us to do BETTER. Machine, iNkA, LZgamer and myself are all top notch gamers who are taking this very very serious. We are training and theorizing and working on this. If we don't impress you now, that's fine, give us time.
haters gonna hate and all.. but sometimes idiots gonna be idiots too.
We are proud to have IdrA and Tasteless.
PS: The Lzgamer/IdrA drama? Doesn't exist. Move along.
Maybe a silly question but will you guys be regular practice partners with Idra? Is that part of the deal, or is it very much do as you were doing?
He can/has/will train with whoever he wants. He sometimes trains with Machine/iNkA and did that BEFORE he joined EG. We've all been friends for years so I dunno why everyone is like "this is so odd" no not reallly... he will train on the korean ladder JUST like he used to and he will play customs with artosis, TLO and various koreans as well as a smattering of others just like he used to the only difference is he is now backed by EG which means he is doing better financially than he ever was with CJ.
This is a great day my friends. The best white SC/SC2 player is back on a non korean team... we now have a legitimate hammer for those korean nerds
On September 08 2010 06:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: the only difference is he is now backed by EG which means he is doing better financially than he ever was with CJ.
I find this rather surprising, even if he was on the B-team. CJ still provided free room and board which has quite some value.
On September 04 2010 20:30 Grettin wrote: Did tasteless also say that hes in EG? Anyone confirm?
He was on EG way back when during the old BW days. Not sure about now.
On September 08 2010 06:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote: so for all those speculators I couldn't silence earlier:
EG has IdrA/Tasteless. IdrA will obviously remain in korea where he will play GSL each month and whatever else he has time for. Tasteless will promote EG in korea and those 2 will function as our homebase should EG America come to korea for .. anything
No EG does not suck. We are fucking good. We have our excuses for MLG but we do just fine in other tourneys. Short of winning we are not happy however so expect us to do BETTER. Machine, iNkA, LZgamer and myself are all top notch gamers who are taking this very very serious. We are training and theorizing and working on this. If we don't impress you now, that's fine, give us time.
haters gonna hate and all.. but sometimes idiots gonna be idiots too.
We are proud to have IdrA and Tasteless.
PS: The Lzgamer/IdrA drama? Doesn't exist. Move along.
On September 08 2010 06:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: the only difference is he is now backed by EG which means he is doing better financially than he ever was with CJ.
I find this rather surprising, even if he was on the B-team. CJ still provided free room and board which has quite some value.
Teams like Mym, Fnatic, and Eg are known to provide room & board as well, in addition to a salary. Non-Korean pro-gaming teams do exist, and in games like CS and WC 3 were some of the better paying options around. Now they're moving into SC 2, and I'm sure IdrA took his paycheck into consideration when he joined EG.
Anyone from EG mind elaborating on Tasteless "Manager" position? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything.
He doesn't seem to be considered or welcomed as a player. I was just curious what his responsibilities would include, other than cheer-leading, as it were.
I think it would have been a better career choice to join Liquid. TLO could be a great practice partner, and he has shown his achievements in tournaments and such. Liquid also already has an establishment in Korea. And.... EG gets overshadowed by team root in the america scene. This is assuming of course Idra was given the opportunity to join Liquid.
On September 08 2010 06:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote: so for all those speculators I couldn't silence earlier:
EG has IdrA/Tasteless. IdrA will obviously remain in korea where he will play GSL each month and whatever else he has time for. Tasteless will promote EG in korea and those 2 will function as our homebase should EG America come to korea for .. anything
No EG does not suck. We are fucking good. We have our excuses for MLG but we do just fine in other tourneys. Short of winning we are not happy however so expect us to do BETTER. Machine, iNkA, LZgamer and myself are all top notch gamers who are taking this very very serious. We are training and theorizing and working on this. If we don't impress you now, that's fine, give us time.
haters gonna hate and all.. but sometimes idiots gonna be idiots too.
We are proud to have IdrA and Tasteless.
PS: The Lzgamer/IdrA drama? Doesn't exist. Move along.
Maybe a silly question but will you guys be regular practice partners with Idra? Is that part of the deal, or is it very much do as you were doing?
He can/has/will train with whoever he wants. He sometimes trains with Machine/iNkA and did that BEFORE he joined EG. We've all been friends for years so I dunno why everyone is like "this is so odd" no not reallly... he will train on the korean ladder JUST like he used to and he will play customs with artosis, TLO and various koreans as well as a smattering of others just like he used to the only difference is he is now backed by EG which means he is doing better financially than he ever was with CJ.
This is a great day my friends. The best white SC/SC2 player is back on a non korean team... we now have a legitimate hammer for those korean nerds
I am thoroughly excited to call IdrA teammate
well said...it hasn't been this fun to be cheering for the white guys since the early days of the proscene
fun to see an old wow guildie mentioned as one of EG's premier names in that official release. great pickups by EG on the scII side, hope we see some more members over there for future GSLs.
"These days it's quite erratic cause I live at tasteless's home until I get my own place."
Anyone else misread "erratic" with "erotic"? :D
On another point: Anyone else noticed that Idra in his Interviews never mentions TLO at all. Asked about Europeans and other foreigners, he always mentiones dimaga,whitera,ret etc.. is there some kind of beef going on between those two?
On September 08 2010 18:18 reapsen wrote: "These days it's quite erratic cause I live at tasteless's home until I get my own place."
Anyone else misread "erratic" with "erotic"? :D
On another point: Anyone else noticed that Idra in his Interviews never mentions TLO at all. Asked about Europeans and other foreigners, he always mentiones dimaga,whitera,ret etc.. is there some kind of beef going on between those two?
In last Idra's interview he mentioned TLO. He's been practising with him.
And no, there isn't anything between them, atleast as far as i know.
On September 08 2010 12:10 caelym wrote: I think it would have been a better career choice to join Liquid. TLO could be a great practice partner, and he has shown his achievements in tournaments and such. Liquid also already has an establishment in Korea. And.... EG gets overshadowed by team root in the america scene. This is assuming of course Idra was given the opportunity to join Liquid.
I don't get posts like this.
Who says IdrA can't practice with TLO? I believe iNc even already said Idra will still practice with him. He's been in Korea for over 2 years. I don't think he needs "an establishment." He can afford rent, he wins enough money (something along the lines of >$6,000 this year by my count). Root is only overshadowing EG right now, but, especially with IdrA, expect that to change soon.
Do the other teams from other games interact with you guys ? I know the SF4 team (ricky/justin/marn) are top notched players in their respective games and wonder if EG is one big happy family.
On September 09 2010 02:20 Lovedrop wrote: Do the other teams from other games interact with you guys ? I know the SF4 team (ricky/justin/marn) are top notched players in their respective games and wonder if EG is one big happy family.
Maybe at tournaments, but if the players aren't interested in the other games I doubt they interact much.
EG has a stacked roster for sure. Their CS1.6 team, Quake, SSF4 and now SC players are all top tier.
On September 09 2010 02:20 Lovedrop wrote: Do the other teams from other games interact with you guys ? I know the SF4 team (ricky/justin/marn) are top notched players in their respective games and wonder if EG is one big happy family.
Some of us have interacted with the CS guys outside of tournaments.
We generally have at least one dinner together with the other divisions while at events. We also support eachother during matches if we're currently not playing.
aw man, and just after i finally received my cj entus hat i bought online in support of idra he moves to eg... lol. you guys better have some cool swag!
This is awesome because EG is easily my favorite SC2 team, but I'm curious if IdrA choose to non-renew with CJ because this is a better opportunity or was CJ not going to anyway?
Is he now going to live with Tasteless/Artosis or w/e?
On September 08 2010 12:14 foxmeep wrote: EG is now like Hwaseung Oz
I don't really know if I like the IdrA to Lee Jae Dong comparison.. but the best player only worthwhile player on their team being Zerg comparison made me chuckle quite a bit.
On September 09 2010 21:31 Sqq wrote: What is the beef between idrA and Lz ?
There's not really a beef, people just like to stir up drama. Back in beta there were a few times where Lz would play Idra on the ladder and idra would flame lz a bit for his 'non standard' play, and lz would just kind of laugh it off. Lz has repeatedly stated on his streams that he has nothing against idrA and thinks he's a really nice guy irl.
On September 09 2010 21:31 Sqq wrote: What is the beef between idrA and Lz ?
There's not really a beef, people just like to stir up drama. Back in beta there were a few times where Lz would play Idra on the ladder and idra would flame lz a bit for his 'non standard' play, and lz would just kind of laugh it off. Lz has repeatedly stated on his streams that he has nothing against idrA and thinks he's a really nice guy irl.
Idra said in an interview he did with Artosis that Lz was the perfect mix of annoying and bad. Idra rags on all of his opponents though so /shrug.
On September 09 2010 21:31 Sqq wrote: What is the beef between idrA and Lz ?
There's not really a beef, people just like to stir up drama. Back in beta there were a few times where Lz would play Idra on the ladder and idra would flame lz a bit for his 'non standard' play, and lz would just kind of laugh it off. Lz has repeatedly stated on his streams that he has nothing against idrA and thinks he's a really nice guy irl.
Idra said in an interview he did with Artosis that Lz was the perfect mix of annoying and bad. Idra rags on all of his opponents though so /shrug.
Idra doesn't "rag" on people he thinks are good. That being said, it's obviously a non-issue at this point because now that they're teammates it's doubtful Idra will make any mean (yet hilarious) comments about Lz or any other EG member again.
On September 09 2010 21:31 Sqq wrote: What is the beef between idrA and Lz ?
There's not really a beef, people just like to stir up drama. Back in beta there were a few times where Lz would play Idra on the ladder and idra would flame lz a bit for his 'non standard' play, and lz would just kind of laugh it off. Lz has repeatedly stated on his streams that he has nothing against idrA and thinks he's a really nice guy irl.
It's more than that I think, based on what people mentioned before and below this post someone also messaged IdrA in a game and asked why he was BMing a player of Lz's caliber, in which he replied " A Player of Lz's Caliber??? LOL? What's that?" basically. This isn't word for word but he was going on and on about that for a while.
On September 09 2010 21:31 Sqq wrote: What is the beef between idrA and Lz ?
There's not really a beef, people just like to stir up drama. Back in beta there were a few times where Lz would play Idra on the ladder and idra would flame lz a bit for his 'non standard' play, and lz would just kind of laugh it off. Lz has repeatedly stated on his streams that he has nothing against idrA and thinks he's a really nice guy irl.
Idra said in an interview he did with Artosis that Lz was the perfect mix of annoying and bad. Idra rags on all of his opponents though so /shrug.
Idra doesn't "rag" on people he thinks are good. That being said, it's obviously a non-issue at this point because now that they're teammates it's doubtful Idra will make any mean (yet hilarious) comments about Lz or any other EG member again.
Doubtful? More like not allowed, so there goes that bit of fun.
On September 09 2010 10:06 St. Fu wrote: EG.IdrA? Damn, that team just keeps getting better.
Keep getting better? Pretty much none of the EG guys have won anything yet. Idra will be their first top player.
No..
EG has top players, but they haven't won anything because there is alot of other top players. That is called competition.
In my eyes, you are saying that everyone else in EG is pretty much worthless, and the only 'carry' is IdrA, and that he will most likely be, but you shouldn't say that none of them aren't top players.
On September 09 2010 04:20 eNtitY~ wrote: This is awesome because EG is easily my favorite SC2 team, but I'm curious if IdrA choose to non-renew with CJ because this is a better opportunity or was CJ not going to anyway?
Is he now going to live with Tasteless/Artosis or w/e?
have you read.. anything of this thread at all?
his contract ran out with CJ and IdrA chose not to renew for a few reasons; CJ is contracted with Kespa (or something) and Kespa and Blizzard don't get along, therefor for Idra to play sc2 tournaments he would have to leave CJ and join another team that isn't contracted by Kespa. He also said the training schedule of Korean houses are counter-productive and he would enjoy and benefit from more free time to do as he pleases whilst still practising. Which brings me to another question of yours; IdrA stated that he will be moving into his own place very soon. He stated that in this very interview. I get the feeling you saw the title and just made a reply based on that. do some reading next time, everyone else does it.
SirScoots just dropped on the WCG nationals stream that EG is planning to eventually buy a house in Korea to "embed" their entire team for training on long periods, similar to TL is doing. Pretty big news right? Apparently Nick would be coordinating that as well.
Idra doesn't "rag" on people he thinks are good. That being said, it's obviously a non-issue at this point because now that they're teammates it's doubtful Idra will make any mean (yet hilarious) comments about Lz or any other EG member again.
Idra used to rag on TLO too, but in a recent interview he said that TLO had been one of his main pracitce partners in preparing for the GSL.
I don't think most of Idra's BM is meant personally, or even as an honest evaluation of other players' skills. He just lets his frustrations get the best of him, and likes to talk trash.
IdrA u OWN MAN U ARTOSIS DIMAGA SEN RET r my favorite Zerg players in SC 2 and also my inspiration to play Zerg i start6ed out with Terran but iv played Zerg for awhile!!
On September 11 2010 05:52 BladeRunner wrote: SirScoots just dropped on the WCG nationals stream that EG is planning to eventually buy a house in Korea to "embed" their entire team for training on long periods, similar to TL is doing. Pretty big news right? Apparently Nick would be coordinating that as well.
Buy a house/flat in seoul? Wow, they must be funded really well.
On September 11 2010 05:52 BladeRunner wrote: SirScoots just dropped on the WCG nationals stream that EG is planning to eventually buy a house in Korea to "embed" their entire team for training on long periods, similar to TL is doing. Pretty big news right? Apparently Nick would be coordinating that as well.
Buy a house/flat in seoul? Wow, they must be funded really well.
... I guess it's normal for people that play nothing but starcraft to not know much about EG? They have the money.
On September 09 2010 10:06 St. Fu wrote: EG.IdrA? Damn, that team just keeps getting better.
Keep getting better? Pretty much none of the EG guys have won anything yet. Idra will be their first top player.
No..
EG has top players, but they haven't won anything because there is alot of other top players. That is called competition.
In my eyes, you are saying that everyone else in EG is pretty much worthless, and the only 'carry' is IdrA, and that he will most likely be, but you shouldn't say that none of them aren't top players.
What do you base this on? Besides Machine none of the other players are even worth scoffing at.. Remember InControl talking about how he was going to own in the HDH and got wrecked by Nazgul like he was a bronze player?
I think most people's problem with them in general is all the talking they do with nothing to back it up
EPT
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