Achievements: No longer on the 8./31/2010 top 200 list KR Bnet top 200 list (8/24/2010) - 190 KR Bnet top 200 list (8/17/2010) - 101 KR Bnet top 200 list (8/10/2010) - 132
14 win streak in Gisado's Korean KOTH (8/8/2010) 8 win streak in Gisado's Korean KOTH (7/30/2010)
8/20: vs cool L 8/21: vs oGsTheWinD W 8/25: vs jAnGyUk #1 Disc or something 8/25: vs jAnGyUk #2 W (gg) 8/26: vs cool L (gg)
8/30: vs Hyperdub L
Analysis: This guy has very good micro and harassment abilities. All TvZ replays are of him ghost dropping + vikings. He spends a lot on tech and as a result have few units, and doesn't expand very quickly, even if his 2nd CC is already completed. Macro is a little weak as he gets supply blocked often. It seems like he has catches his zerg opponents off guard with his innovative strategy, but can be defeated by roaches or baneling bust (if he doesn't double wall). He may be a 1 trick pony, but his ghost usage could be more refined by GSL opening day.
I do think idra can easily beat him as long as he knows what to expect and scout for. Good luck to you sir!
Anyone got more info on him?
EDIT: I will post all the info I got on the opponents of TLO, Artosis, and TorcH as well here, but doesn't really call for their own thread since info is limited. Again, if anyone got more info, share please.
Achievements: KR Bnet top 200 list (8/31/2010) - 114 KR Bnet top 200 list (8/24/2010) - N/A KR Bnet top 200 list (8/17/2010) - 178 KR Bnet top 200 list (8/10/2010) - 120
I haven't watched all their replays yet, so I cannot provide an analysis, but it seems like Losira and SlayerS are relatively low key, clanless players. FreeSaga however is in a pretty strong clan, but I don't think Artosis should get far simply because of the conflict of interest.
ghost drops? that sounds interested, altho gas intensive. but I know once I went like mass ghost (well, 8 ghosts + MMM ball) vs zerg and I just used pure sniping hydras/mutas/anything really, and wow did it do some insane damage.. So I can only imagine how fast a ghost drop could take out a whole drone line.
On September 01 2010 11:46 dybydx wrote: on paper, Acupuncture is genetically superior to Idra. :p
btw, do Idra ever BM in Korean matches?
i don't think so, i think in an interview he did while living in the CJ house, he said he respected the korean players because they were obviously better than him so he didn't BM
I'm just worried that IdrA might rage at the ghost plays. At Artosis vlog he said hes not expecting to lose until faced with cool or tester. I hope this attitude dont bite him too early in the tournament.
I saw this guy playing against cool. He got a nuke off and that was fun lol. Actually mayb we will get to see IdrA rage at a Korean for once LOL
"You r very good at Nuking.... Nuking is a very good skill toi have"
I watched this guy play vs. CellaWeRRa this morning. He has incredible micro abilities and is very very good at sniping queens, overseers and nuking with his ghosts. He also likes to double drop (8marines in the back) and then use his ghost to snipe off important units.
Cella did win all the games I watched this morning but I tell you that cella told us he was very used to playing vs. this guy and if you are not prepared for his insane micro and ghost ability you will be overrun and unable to focus.
What is his prior record? Sounds like a WC3 player to me (better micro than macro, "hero"-unit oriented). I wish IdrA succeeds, but it won't be easy, for sure. This guy has almost all the qualities that are the worst for IdrA to deal with, including the race.
he can micro, so 5 rax reaper and idra is in trouble, unless he has something better then his build v morrow (is there anything better? I havent seen it)
On September 01 2010 11:46 dybydx wrote: on paper, Acupuncture is genetically superior to Idra. :p
btw, do Idra ever BM in Korean matches?
Not the games that I've seen. (I mean Tester cannon rushed him twice XD and he gg'd)
Besides the point, I wish him luck as long as he remembers $85,000 is on the line and comes with new builds I think he has a shot .
In the GOM videos, Artosis was joking w/ Idra about how many of the Koreans walking in have cheesed them and been subject to their flames. I think Idra just BMs people who beat him that he thinks are worse than him. So in BW he never flamed Koreans because they were all equal/better. He also respects Tester. I don't think we've seen him publicly lose to a cheese by a worse Korean yet. Stay tuned.
IdrA would never 'ragequit' in a event like GSL. As far as i know, there is a rule to say GG after game. If you don't, you might get a warning or disqualification. IdrA ain't idiot.
On September 01 2010 12:04 dybydx wrote: i recall seeing day9 casting the morrow v idra match and comments on how idra lose focus and start to make mistakes when under pressure.
in other words, idra dont respond well to harass and crumbles to "skill-less newbies".
I agree. But hopefully idra has learned from that experience. And to make myself more clear (about idra winning), I think idra needs to get a feel for what this type of harassment is capable of, and be willing to spend a little on spores and extra queens. A front door nydas worm like the 2nd game with jAnGyUk can work very well by putting pressure back on, while not making jAnGyUk's mistakes.
Damn this is very intense isn't it ^_^ especially when you are on Idra's side. An opponent that tries to use ghost at its max potential and does ghost drops. Like were hunting down these players and are trying to figure every piece of information before engaging them.
EEDRA FWIGHTINNNNNNNNNG. He's got this i'm sure, Theres top tier koreans, then theres a large gap between them and the players who are at the top of the ladder. IdrA will easily make it into top 8, unless he plays a few more terrans on the way.
On September 01 2010 12:00 Nu11 wrote: I watched this guy play vs. CellaWeRRa this morning. He has incredible micro abilities and is very very good at sniping queens, overseers and nuking with his ghosts. He also likes to double drop (8marines in the back) and then use his ghost to snipe off important units.
Cella did win all the games I watched this morning but I tell you that cella told us he was very used to playing vs. this guy and if you are not prepared for his insane micro and ghost ability you will be overrun and unable to focus.
I hope idrA has looked him up.
Judging by the large number of ladder games he has on the Korean server, I'm pretty sure IdrA has a pretty good feeling for most of the players that he'll have to face. Then again, he does have very particular views: I still remember him saying how WeRRa is basically a clan of cheesing noobs or something to that effect.
On September 01 2010 11:58 cive wrote: I'm just worried that IdrA might rage at the ghost plays. At Artosis vlog he said hes not expecting to lose until faced with cool or tester. I hope this attitude dont bite him too early in the tournament.
I saw this guy playing against cool. He got a nuke off and that was fun lol. Actually mayb we will get to see IdrA rage at a Korean for once LOL
"You r very good at Nuking.... Nuking is a very good skill toi have"
On September 01 2010 11:46 dybydx wrote: on paper, Acupuncture is genetically superior to Idra. :p
btw, do Idra ever BM in Korean matches?
i don't think so, i think in an interview he did while living in the CJ house, he said he respected the korean players because they were obviously better than him so he didn't BM
But that's because the Korean players were so much better than him in SC1. But he's clearly among the best in SC2...
Agreed. I don't think IdrA is going into this like a true "foreigner." He has experiences against all of these players. He has contacts within Korea who can likely give him the low-down on individual opponents. He's probably done practice matches with the different clans there.
In short, I think IdrA will be ready for this guy.
On September 01 2010 12:00 Nu11 wrote: I watched this guy play vs. CellaWeRRa this morning. He has incredible micro abilities and is very very good at sniping queens, overseers and nuking with his ghosts. He also likes to double drop (8marines in the back) and then use his ghost to snipe off important units.
I would really hate playing against that as Zerg. Loosing queens hurts macro a lot. Also, remaking overseers is soooo gas intensive. Who knows, maybe this will be one of the first pro games I've seen where spore crawlers actually do something useful
I think I'm going to wish for the return of scourge (in HotS) after this game...
On September 01 2010 15:10 Moa wrote: Is it single elimination, bo3, or bo5?
Here says: "The format will be single elimination. (Bo3 for Ro64~Ro8, Bo5 semi, Bo7 finals)" (i was hoping for RR group rounds too, but nope; i think groups are more interesting)
On September 01 2010 15:40 KissBlade wrote: Idra should win. But he should've beaten Morrow too so you never know =\.
This is what I'm thinking. Idra himself has said that korean terrans suck on ladder. They are the cheesiest, most uorthodox players so you'd think Idra would've been able to repel the 5 rax reaper rush of Morrow's. Morrow hadn't even been working on his reaper micro for THAT long either.
On September 01 2010 12:04 dybydx wrote: i recall seeing day9 casting the morrow v idra match and comments on how idra lose focus and start to make mistakes when under pressure.
in other words, idra dont respond well to harass and crumbles to "skill-less newbies".
I wouldn't call Morrow a skill-less newbie. Putting pressure on like he did takes a lot of effort and doesn't allow for slip ups. Not taking anything away from your argument that IdrA need(ed/s) training in that area, it doesn't help that his opponent plays terran of course.
On September 01 2010 15:40 KissBlade wrote: Idra should win. But he should've beaten Morrow too so you never know =\.
This is what I'm thinking. Idra himself has said that korean terrans suck on ladder. They are the cheesiest, most uorthodox players so you'd think Idra would've been able to repel the 5 rax reaper rush of Morrow's. Morrow hadn't even been working on his reaper micro for THAT long either.
Maybe it's time to start taking Idra's words with a grain of salt?
I'm pretty sure IdrA will see this kind of stuff coming. I looked at one of the replays and he really is kind of going all in with those ghosts. Sure, they were really effective, but prior to the ghost coming out, he had 1 marine. It was impressive, but there were definitely huge holes in the macro. This is the kind of play that I think IdrA will be able to respond to well since he's going to be allowed his expo and get a strong economy by the time the first ghost shows up. I've got faith! IdrA to RO32.
So this guy has this one trick up his sleeve and it's safe to assume that IdrA knows this and can prepare for it.
Yeah... I don't think IdrA will be in any trouble. But I haven't watched the replays yet and I don't know any more about this guy than from what I have read in this thread.
One is that this guy also has time to further improve this build covering some issues that he had in those replays that OP posted Two is that while Idra is getting prepared to counter this build he can go for something completly different.
What is my opinion on the outcome? No ideia! I think we should just wait and see. Would be cool if Idra raged tough.
Nice scouting report. Idra should be able to take this one though. Idra has done better lately under pressure. I see Idra picking up the advantage by mid game for the win.
Heh nice TL scouting report for Idra =). It'd be cool if we saw more of this kind of thing. And hey, maybe it will be helpful to Idra ... you never know.
There was a thread a while back warning players not to "metagame" and prepare too specifically for a player. It's probably better just to prepare against "Terran" in general, but to be wary of any peculiar strategies a player uses.
It's probably a good idea to read their latest BOs on battlenet2.0, though.
On September 02 2010 02:52 Chill wrote: Cool thread Even though Idra might not feel it, I feel like we're all invested in this together.
Naw, deep down inside, he loves the attention and loves these threads. He is an ultralisk on the outside but in the inside he is a cute little changeling
It definitely has hyped it 10x more for me ... and it's only the opening round =). If anyone wants to analyze TLO, Torch, and Artosis' opponent that'd be great as well!
Edit: Even just starting up a thread introducing the Korean opponent and finding some replays so the TL community can comment on them would be pretty cool and potentially helpful to our GSL heroes.
Idra will handle it fine as long as he doesn't get LT. Ghost play is really dumb if Idra knows it's coming. I doubt he can touch Idra in a long game so as always, if he gets out of early game in an ok situation, he'll win.
On September 01 2010 15:40 KissBlade wrote: Idra should win. But he should've beaten Morrow too so you never know =\.
This is what I'm thinking. Idra himself has said that korean terrans suck on ladder. They are the cheesiest, most uorthodox players so you'd think Idra would've been able to repel the 5 rax reaper rush of Morrow's. Morrow hadn't even been working on his reaper micro for THAT long either.
koreans do play like that. they always do stuff like flying in factories into enemy bases, etc. thats the unorthodox idra is talking about. not some mass reaper build (which is very difficult to deal with fyi, and even morrow said is imba, so saying idra should have repelled it is ignorant.).
MATCH 1. Greg Fields [IdrA] vs Tea Hoon Ji [허준과침제니스] - SET 1 - Xel'Naga Caverns - SET 2 - Desert Oasis - SET 3 - Scrap Station
Following maps are chosen to be excluded by each player before the drawing. - Greg Fields [IdrA] : Kulas Ravin, Lost Temple - Tea Hoon Ji [허준과침제니스] : Blistering Sands, Meta Opolis
On September 02 2010 07:03 lac29 wrote: It definitely has hyped it 10x more for me ... and it's only the opening round =). If anyone wants to analyze TLO, Torch, and Artosis' opponent that'd be great as well!
Edit: Even just starting up a thread introducing the Korean opponent and finding some replays so the TL community can comment on them would be pretty cool and potentially helpful to our GSL heroes.
I was actually already on it, but didn't decide to post a thread on each person because info on them were lacking. I'll add it to the OP since u asked.
heres a cast of Acupuncture.. very awesome style, im glad to see it, although sad that zergs have one more thing to worry about in ZvT lol poor zergies.
IdrA held off his repaers first game and the terran kept sending in small forces that idra beat easily and just outmacroed and won, 2nd game on DO guy tried ghost drops with nukes idrA went mutas held it off and eventually won after killing off many drops and small attacks.
I didn't catch the first game in its entirety due to stream issues but seemed like Idra comfortably stomped terran fairly standard bio play with ling/bling/muta on Xel'Naga.
Desert oasis was kinda cool, ghost drop rush with a nuke on the main, but Idra didn't build a single pair of lings for the first few minutes of the game so his macro just outshot by a long way, destroyed a few one-base marine+ghost drops with muta play on Desert Oasis to force a GG.
Basically this guy was nowhere near the standard of Idra.
Game 2 he had some cool ideas but after they KINDA worked the follow up was bad.
Congrats to IdrA taking care of business on the big stage but that was a fairly easy first round opponent I'd think. That or he made him look easy hehe
Yeah also the nukes were rubbish, there were 2 nuke drops, killed 2 workers? and 4 extractors, 2nd ghost got surrounded by Zerglings and fully loaded Medivacs got owned by Mutas.
You have to give it to him for being creative though, the nuke drop came SO damn fast, definitely the most original thing to see since release imo. I could see it really flustering someone who wasn't expecting it.
Idra is way too fundamentally sound to beat with cheeze/gimmickry if you can't back it up with a seriously high skill level. I mean, originality is great and all, but this is a guy whose trained for 12 hours a day to basically make the exact same build viable in almost every matchup against every strat--the element of surprise may help a little, but ultimately you're gonna have to outplay him even if you do throw him off his game, and there aren't that many players right now who can do that.
On September 05 2010 11:26 unit wrote: where are the vods for this? or do we have to pay for them?
you can find the 1st vod of it on gomtv.net for engish commentary. unless you dont want to pay you cant watch the second. theres vods of the second game with korean commentary on wfbrood. theres a link somewhere on the forums.
On September 05 2010 11:26 unit wrote: where are the vods for this? or do we have to pay for them?
You get the first of every Bo3 for free, the rest you have to pay for.
That being said, they currently have a package deal where it's $19,95 for full live access and all VODs. For me personally, that wasn't something I even had to think about, seeing as there will be over 100 VODs included in that.