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TrevorJK
Profile Joined May 2009
United States77 Posts
October 17 2010 14:34 GMT
#1701
Looks like complexity's entire website is down.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
October 17 2010 14:34 GMT
#1702
On October 17 2010 23:21 Latham wrote:
So is there a stream tonight (sunday - 18:00 CET)? If so, can someone post the link? D:


http://www.djwheat.tv/

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/djwheat
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 14:36:14
October 17 2010 14:35 GMT
#1703
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Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
October 17 2010 14:37 GMT
#1704
On October 17 2010 23:35 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 21:07 Odoakar wrote:
I really don't agree with the 'bashing' of SeleCT. There are many players who stick to their build as long as it works for them. Idra plays 95% of his games with same build order, same style, it works for him, and he'll probably continue to play it as long as it works. MorroW won a major tournament with one build, once it stopped working, he moved onto another builds.

Same with SeleCT. He has a vP build that works well, and he will continue to use it until it stops working. Then he will find another build that works. HuK had a chance to watch that build being used against KiwiKaki and Tyler, and still lost to it, so I wouldn't say the only thing that is good in SeleCT's play is his build. He's a beast and I'm sure whatever build he decides to use next after this one stops working will be equally strong.


I agree.

It's pretty obvious that SeleCT is easily one of the best foreigners, It's impossible to say right know who is the best for sure and make a list after so little time, sure jinro, haypro are in korea, but they haven't really done anything yet. It's obvious that TLO and idra are among the best but i honestly would put SeleCT on at least the same level, up there with them too. Winning 2 TL opens in a row with 512(?) players in each is VERY impressive. But watching him at MLG, seeing how many matches he played through without resting even the slightest, and watching him beat just so many amazing players to get to the finals really made me realize how good he actually is. It would've been pretty damn unbelievable if he had won after and im not sure if anyone expected him to after all the mental exhaustion.

People bashing people for using the same build orders all the time clearly arent familiar with starcraft.


SeleCT isn't really a "foreigner" though. He's Korean and just in the USA for school.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
October 17 2010 14:39 GMT
#1705
On October 17 2010 23:35 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 21:07 Odoakar wrote:
I really don't agree with the 'bashing' of SeleCT. There are many players who stick to their build as long as it works for them. Idra plays 95% of his games with same build order, same style, it works for him, and he'll probably continue to play it as long as it works. MorroW won a major tournament with one build, once it stopped working, he moved onto another builds.

Same with SeleCT. He has a vP build that works well, and he will continue to use it until it stops working. Then he will find another build that works. HuK had a chance to watch that build being used against KiwiKaki and Tyler, and still lost to it, so I wouldn't say the only thing that is good in SeleCT's play is his build. He's a beast and I'm sure whatever build he decides to use next after this one stops working will be equally strong.


I agree.

It's pretty obvious that SeleCT is easily one of the best foreigners, It's impossible to say right know who is the best for sure and make a list after so little time, sure jinro, haypro are in korea, but they haven't really done anything yet. It's obvious that TLO and idra are among the best but i honestly would put SeleCT on at least the same level, up there with them too. Winning 2 TL opens in a row with 512(?) players in each is VERY impressive. But watching him at MLG, seeing how many matches he played through without resting even the slightest, and watching him beat just so many amazing players to get to the finals really made me realize how good he actually is. It would've been pretty damn unbelievable if he had won after and im not sure if anyone expected him to after all the mental exhaustion.

People bashing people for using the same build orders all the time clearly arent familiar with starcraft.


You can't say he is one of the best when only his TvT and TvP is any good. He played well in the tournament but his TvZ was horrible.

Also I'm sure you are not saying that inControL and Tyler aren't familiar with starcraft? :o
rokkitlauncher
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom9 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 14:42:33
October 17 2010 14:42 GMT
#1706
I also disagree with the SeleCT bashing. Even Tyler admitted he thought he 'had his number' and then got 3-1'd by exactly the same style. I've seen a lot of replays of SeleCT playing some European tournaments, and using a lot of banshees in TvT as well, I just think he is incredibly solid.

Frankly it's disappointing to see that arguably the best player in America right now is not receiving the reputation he deserves solely because he isn't here posting, or appearing on podcasts to defend himself. Thankfully he also appears to be the kind of person who does not care what people think of him (why else would he make that comment about the NA zergs? what will happen when he loses on the ladder to an NA zerg now? :p)

SeleCT is great, and while his style may be singular, I still learn a lot more from watching his replays than I do from watching replays of anyone else at that tournament, bar HuK, Kiwi and IdrA
"It's not rokkit science"
Santi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Colombia466 Posts
October 17 2010 14:42 GMT
#1707
Is there any other place to listen the mini cast?
10or10
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden517 Posts
October 17 2010 14:42 GMT
#1708
Does anyone have a link to a mirror for the two minicasts?
|| @10or10 || 이영호 이제동 - 화이팅 ^^ ||
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
October 17 2010 14:46 GMT
#1709
On October 17 2010 23:39 Piski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 23:35 zeru wrote:
On October 17 2010 21:07 Odoakar wrote:
I really don't agree with the 'bashing' of SeleCT. There are many players who stick to their build as long as it works for them. Idra plays 95% of his games with same build order, same style, it works for him, and he'll probably continue to play it as long as it works. MorroW won a major tournament with one build, once it stopped working, he moved onto another builds.

Same with SeleCT. He has a vP build that works well, and he will continue to use it until it stops working. Then he will find another build that works. HuK had a chance to watch that build being used against KiwiKaki and Tyler, and still lost to it, so I wouldn't say the only thing that is good in SeleCT's play is his build. He's a beast and I'm sure whatever build he decides to use next after this one stops working will be equally strong.


I agree.

It's pretty obvious that SeleCT is easily one of the best foreigners, It's impossible to say right know who is the best for sure and make a list after so little time, sure jinro, haypro are in korea, but they haven't really done anything yet. It's obvious that TLO and idra are among the best but i honestly would put SeleCT on at least the same level, up there with them too. Winning 2 TL opens in a row with 512(?) players in each is VERY impressive. But watching him at MLG, seeing how many matches he played through without resting even the slightest, and watching him beat just so many amazing players to get to the finals really made me realize how good he actually is. It would've been pretty damn unbelievable if he had won after and im not sure if anyone expected him to after all the mental exhaustion.

People bashing people for using the same build orders all the time clearly arent familiar with starcraft.


You can't say he is one of the best when only his TvT and TvP is any good. He played well in the tournament but his TvZ was horrible.

Also I'm sure you are not saying that inControL and Tyler aren't familiar with starcraft? :o

Yea he didn't play well vs Idra, but he did beat Slush 2-1(the best NA zerg besides Idra). Considering that SeleCT is a mass gamer, I wouldn't expect him to have a very strong TvZ unless he actually had a good zerg to practice against.
BCH
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines88 Posts
October 17 2010 14:46 GMT
#1710
minicast page wont load for me.. =(
giggity...
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 14:53:16
October 17 2010 14:47 GMT
#1711
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Dooba
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Croatia588 Posts
October 17 2010 14:52 GMT
#1712
Agree with you guys about SeleCT. He's just damn good. That's all there is to it. Anyone who has ever been competitive in the SC always says: "at a tournament, stick to what you practiced". Well he did just that! And it was beautiful to watch.
"Zergs are really stronger. I use to win 60-70%, now it is 40-50. I am switching to civilization 5 for now until any terran can come up with a better tactics."
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
October 17 2010 14:53 GMT
#1713
I was present for the recording of this and all I have to say is that being able to see the facial expressions of these guys and their interactions and reactions were priceless in almost every case. If you think iNcontroL is funny in these podcasts, imagine what it's like in a room full of people cracking up at everything he says, it was amazing.

If you only download one audio-based StarCraft 2 related file this year, let it be this most recent SotG! =D
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
October 17 2010 14:55 GMT
#1714
So 18.00 CET is the live show with all these guys? Gonna be epic indeed Hope TL puts it on the calendar
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
October 17 2010 14:56 GMT
#1715
On October 17 2010 23:53 JoshSuth wrote:
I was present for the recording of this and all I have to say is that being able to see the facial expressions of these guys and their interactions and reactions were priceless in almost every case. If you think iNcontroL is funny in these podcasts, imagine what it's like in a room full of people cracking up at everything he says, it was amazing.

If you only download one audio-based StarCraft 2 related file this year, let it be this most recent SotG! =D

we cant because the link is dead v_v
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
October 17 2010 14:56 GMT
#1716
Complexity site is down And I was in the middle of listening to a cast
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
October 17 2010 14:58 GMT
#1717
ive tried via itunes and it aint downloading ...
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
October 17 2010 14:59 GMT
#1718
I'm amazed that even after iNcontroL insulted him once, he basically backslaps him yet again in the follow-up discussion. The funny thing is he aludes to the "play one style, like a robot (Idra)" and yet he accuses SelecT of a "single build" style. I mean, all we saw was muta/bling from Idra - and executed INCREDIBLY well. But you don't hear anyone criticizing Idra's ZvT do you?

Execution is everything. And yet, apparently it's a character flaw for SelecT, but not Idra.
With no power comes no responsibility?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 15:08:14
October 17 2010 15:07 GMT
#1719
Idra has to somewhat adapt based on what his opponent is doing, but Select didn't even make ghosts against Tyler when the game dragged on and he was on 3-4 bases. Also Idra didn't make mutaling every game.

Anyway, doing exactly the same build over and over again in a tournament is not good. Doing it most of the time is fine, but you do have to vary a bit.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
October 17 2010 15:08 GMT
#1720
IdrA used several styles throughout the tournament. Granted it was mostly muta/bling/ling for Terran and more of a Roach/Hydra set for Protoss, he didn't do the -same- thing every game. SeleCT's MMM works so incredibly well vs. Protoss on large maps because his effective APM is nuts and Protoss just doesn't have a lot of options to defend even if they know it's coming. KiWiKaKi MIRACULOUSLY won that game on Metalopolis vs. SeleCT and HuK watched that whole series sitting next to me, knew what was coming, and still was powerless to stop it in game 1.
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
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