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On April 18 2011 11:44 bentski wrote:
HEY GUYS, I like the idea of the show BUT I CAN'T STAND TYLER/DAY[9]/INCONTROL. If you could just switch all of them to zergs and terran then it would be awesome!! TYLER WAS TOO EMO LAST SHOW, PLEASE REPLACE HIM WITH IDRA SO WE CAN HEAR IDRA WHINE LIKE A 10 YEAR OLD.
/sarcasm
Holy shit... if you guys don't like their opinions, then why do you listen to the show? They ARE the show. God damn, this thread is out of control.
Tyler hang in there man! We're still here rooting for ya
Idra doesn't whine when JP asks him to talk about something else, he only whines when its time. Tyler complained/whined for no reason at the beginning which brought down the entire show. WAAAH WAAAH JP WHY YOU ALWAYS ASK ME FIRST?!!?!?
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On April 18 2011 11:39 Gunman_csz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:34 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:On April 18 2011 10:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:25 quentel wrote:On April 18 2011 10:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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or the type that doesn't give a shit because he's playing the game, not designing it Heaven forbid any feedback get back to Blizzard via forums and player comments! ??? the feedback is the game itself. the player doesn't have anything to add to the games he plays. the only time a player needs to say anything is when blizzard is like "we dont have time to watch your last 50 tvz's. can you summarize what's been going in this situation?" so actually yeah, fuck feedback via forums and comments. blizzard can see the games. that's all that matters In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it.  lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. On April 15 2011 03:34 imbs wrote:
here is an interesting set of quotes from an old sotg episode (one from 11.16.10 according to the file) that i wrote up for you. this was when protoss wasnt doing so well. some of these may be inaccurate but really i didn't have much time to do this so i didn't double check it.
incontrol
"thats why you have 12 protoss in the gsl, thats why you look at the top 200 north america and theres 46 protoss.... (goes on to list other top 200 stats)"
"if terran forgets a mule he can just drop 8 more mules, and now they have 4 times the size economy but if i miss a chrono boost im screwed"
"if i miss a forcefield and he runs up my ramp im dead. (on a) terrans ramp its because he lets a depot which goes up and down down."
"there are alot of little coin flips that strongly favor the terran in my opinion"
"protoss has to play as nony said perfectly to counter whatever the terran decides to do, and that puts the protoss player on his heels and thats a bad place for any rts in my opinion"
tyler
"protoss just feels more bare; the other races can survive a variety of things better than protoss can."
"the size of a mistake that a protoss makes that loses a game doesnt for terran"
"terran can just survive some misjudgements some mistakes with timing stuff like that"
"composition wise terran has a lot more leeway, if protoss wants to win they have to have a perfect composition for that or they are screwed"
there was much more of this stuff but you get the gist, and to be fair there were one or two occasions where incontrol would say or mention something about bisu.
fact is though back when protoss was seen as up and terran as op tyler n incontrol had no problem having a big discussion with painuser on balance. with idra they laughed him off randomly and next episode decided to sit there harping on about how they need to use mass nydus/infestors and theory crafted with no actual zerg around..... i like tyler and incontrol but i did not appreciate how hypocritical they were being; its hard to be too annoyed though as when you are not the most successful (mainly applies to tyler recently, but incontrol has his fair share of critics too) it is very hard to accept that your race is giving you an advantage. There you have it. Revisit some of the older SoTG cast before the Terran nerfs, both incontrol and tyler were very vocal on the subject. Because they are robots with out emotions? They are Data from Star Trek incapable of emotions or mistakes? I bet in hindsight they probably feel they jumped to conclusions. Are they still friends? Did they completely and totally berate idra and cast him out as a black sheep? No. They where wrong so what. Because you look up to them as Hero's doesnt mean they can make mistakes. Or you took it personal how they where talking to idra who was on the show in subsequent episodes? Idra still comes on they are all still friends right. So what they where wrong. Quoting transcripts doesn't mean anything. Tyler has said many times to protoss players that they just need to play better also. You should grab some of those quotes from back then too. What they hell are you even talking about, jeez dramatize much? You asked where Tyler ever complained about the game / balanced and i copy-pasted that quote. My point was this Tyler is allowed to complain about the the stage of the game, but when zergs and pro-zergs do it then they are wrong? Dobule-standard much?
Jeez try to to make Tyler seem like all he does is complain about balance much? I never asked where tyler complained about balance lol. You quoted that I never said hey somebody grab me a quote of tyler complaining about balance please!
I said he hardly if ever does! Read again before trying to go out of your way to prove someone wrong.
Also the point i was making is that he didn't complain about the ramps because of imbalance he complained because he was suprised they where so small. Which is why he was looking for an answer. Incontrol explained that. I was reiterating that. Stop trying to jump in and save the day with a quote when you obviously didnt read what I wrote in the first place. Obviously you didnt read what I was replying to either and you wrote it. lol. You took one piece of what i wrote and responded with a wall of text. Like i said in my original reply to you people read what they want to read.
You took what he said at the end of the Mana game as he was complaining about balance which he wasn't. You then used that to say that he contradicts himselfs. Or has a double standard. You would have been better off replying to him with that wall of text about what he said before on SoTG. Instead of using the Mana game cause that had nothing to do with imbalance.
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JP and Day9 both play random, no? I dunno why they're not able to argue from the Terran/Zerg pov when necessary. Maybe JP's level isn't high enough, but Day9 should be able to.
The show with Socke was pretty fun because it was an absolutely in-depth show with three top tier protosses on board... but that's only good as a one-off thing. They should definitely invite a pro Terran and a pro Zerg if they want to talk balance (while keeping the RRPP pillars, obviously. :D).
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On April 18 2011 11:48 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:44 bentski wrote:
HEY GUYS, I like the idea of the show BUT I CAN'T STAND TYLER/DAY[9]/INCONTROL. If you could just switch all of them to zergs and terran then it would be awesome!! TYLER WAS TOO EMO LAST SHOW, PLEASE REPLACE HIM WITH IDRA SO WE CAN HEAR IDRA WHINE LIKE A 10 YEAR OLD.
/sarcasm
Holy shit... if you guys don't like their opinions, then why do you listen to the show? They ARE the show. God damn, this thread is out of control.
Tyler hang in there man! We're still here rooting for ya Idra doesn't whine when JP asks him to talk about something else, he only whines when its time. Tyler complained/whined for no reason at the beginning which brought down the entire show. WAAAH WAAAH JP WHY YOU ALWAYS ASK ME FIRST?!!?!?
OH MY GOD why can't Tyler just act like I want him to act?! I can't believe he fucking ruined the show for me! What an asshole!! You know, I spend like 2 hours of my fucking free time to sit down and listen to their show, the least they can do is cater to my needs directly and please me in every way imaginable!! I mean, COME ON!!
/sarcasm
Personally I thought it was enjoyable to see them all a bit bummed out. It shows how much they care. But hey, I'm sure your opinion is good too
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Hopefully Day9 plays Zerg after this thesis defense so there can be a Zerg voice on the show. PainUser should also become a regular for the Terran voice.
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Next week on State of the Game!
"Cuts to Tyler wearing a pair of these"
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On April 18 2011 11:49 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:39 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:34 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:On April 18 2011 10:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:25 quentel wrote:
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Heaven forbid any feedback get back to Blizzard via forums and player comments!
??? the feedback is the game itself. the player doesn't have anything to add to the games he plays. the only time a player needs to say anything is when blizzard is like "we dont have time to watch your last 50 tvz's. can you summarize what's been going in this situation?" so actually yeah, fuck feedback via forums and comments. blizzard can see the games. that's all that matters In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it. lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. On April 15 2011 03:34 imbs wrote:
here is an interesting set of quotes from an old sotg episode (one from 11.16.10 according to the file) that i wrote up for you. this was when protoss wasnt doing so well. some of these may be inaccurate but really i didn't have much time to do this so i didn't double check it.
incontrol
"thats why you have 12 protoss in the gsl, thats why you look at the top 200 north america and theres 46 protoss.... (goes on to list other top 200 stats)"
"if terran forgets a mule he can just drop 8 more mules, and now they have 4 times the size economy but if i miss a chrono boost im screwed"
"if i miss a forcefield and he runs up my ramp im dead. (on a) terrans ramp its because he lets a depot which goes up and down down."
"there are alot of little coin flips that strongly favor the terran in my opinion"
"protoss has to play as nony said perfectly to counter whatever the terran decides to do, and that puts the protoss player on his heels and thats a bad place for any rts in my opinion"
tyler
"protoss just feels more bare; the other races can survive a variety of things better than protoss can."
"the size of a mistake that a protoss makes that loses a game doesnt for terran"
"terran can just survive some misjudgements some mistakes with timing stuff like that"
"composition wise terran has a lot more leeway, if protoss wants to win they have to have a perfect composition for that or they are screwed"
there was much more of this stuff but you get the gist, and to be fair there were one or two occasions where incontrol would say or mention something about bisu.
fact is though back when protoss was seen as up and terran as op tyler n incontrol had no problem having a big discussion with painuser on balance. with idra they laughed him off randomly and next episode decided to sit there harping on about how they need to use mass nydus/infestors and theory crafted with no actual zerg around..... i like tyler and incontrol but i did not appreciate how hypocritical they were being; its hard to be too annoyed though as when you are not the most successful (mainly applies to tyler recently, but incontrol has his fair share of critics too) it is very hard to accept that your race is giving you an advantage. There you have it. Revisit some of the older SoTG cast before the Terran nerfs, both incontrol and tyler were very vocal on the subject. Because they are robots with out emotions? They are Data from Star Trek incapable of emotions or mistakes? I bet in hindsight they probably feel they jumped to conclusions. Are they still friends? Did they completely and totally berate idra and cast him out as a black sheep? No. They where wrong so what. Because you look up to them as Hero's doesnt mean they can make mistakes. Or you took it personal how they where talking to idra who was on the show in subsequent episodes? Idra still comes on they are all still friends right. So what they where wrong. Quoting transcripts doesn't mean anything. Tyler has said many times to protoss players that they just need to play better also. You should grab some of those quotes from back then too. What they hell are you even talking about, jeez dramatize much? You asked where Tyler ever complained about the game / balanced and i copy-pasted that quote. My point was this Tyler is allowed to complain about the the stage of the game, but when zergs and pro-zergs do it then they are wrong? Dobule-standard much? Jeez try to to make Tyler seem like all he does is complain about balance much? I never asked where tyler complained about balance lol. You quoted that I never said hey somebody grab me a quote of tyler complaining about balance please! I said he hardly if ever does! Read again before trying to go out of your way to prove someone wrong. Also the point i was making is that he didn't complain about the ramps because of imbalance he complained because he was suprised they where so small. Which is why he was looking for an answer. Incontrol explained that. I was reiterating that. Stop trying to jump in and save the day with a quote when you obviously didnt read what I wrote in the first place. Obviously you didnt read what I was replying to either and you wrote it. lol. You took one piece of what i wrote and responded with a wall of text. Like i said in my original reply to you people read what they want to read. You took what he said at the end of the Mana game as he was complaining about balance which he wasn't. You then used that to say that he contradicts himselfs. Or has a double standard. You would have been better off replying to him with that wall of text about what he said before on SoTG. Instead of using the Mana game cause that had nothing to do with imbalance.
Lol he doesn't complain about balance because Protoss isn't the race that is weak at the moment.
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On April 18 2011 11:59 BrodiaQ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:49 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:39 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:34 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:On April 18 2011 10:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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??? the feedback is the game itself. the player doesn't have anything to add to the games he plays. the only time a player needs to say anything is when blizzard is like "we dont have time to watch your last 50 tvz's. can you summarize what's been going in this situation?"
so actually yeah, fuck feedback via forums and comments. blizzard can see the games. that's all that matters In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it. lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. On April 15 2011 03:34 imbs wrote:
here is an interesting set of quotes from an old sotg episode (one from 11.16.10 according to the file) that i wrote up for you. this was when protoss wasnt doing so well. some of these may be inaccurate but really i didn't have much time to do this so i didn't double check it.
incontrol
"thats why you have 12 protoss in the gsl, thats why you look at the top 200 north america and theres 46 protoss.... (goes on to list other top 200 stats)"
"if terran forgets a mule he can just drop 8 more mules, and now they have 4 times the size economy but if i miss a chrono boost im screwed"
"if i miss a forcefield and he runs up my ramp im dead. (on a) terrans ramp its because he lets a depot which goes up and down down."
"there are alot of little coin flips that strongly favor the terran in my opinion"
"protoss has to play as nony said perfectly to counter whatever the terran decides to do, and that puts the protoss player on his heels and thats a bad place for any rts in my opinion"
tyler
"protoss just feels more bare; the other races can survive a variety of things better than protoss can."
"the size of a mistake that a protoss makes that loses a game doesnt for terran"
"terran can just survive some misjudgements some mistakes with timing stuff like that"
"composition wise terran has a lot more leeway, if protoss wants to win they have to have a perfect composition for that or they are screwed"
there was much more of this stuff but you get the gist, and to be fair there were one or two occasions where incontrol would say or mention something about bisu.
fact is though back when protoss was seen as up and terran as op tyler n incontrol had no problem having a big discussion with painuser on balance. with idra they laughed him off randomly and next episode decided to sit there harping on about how they need to use mass nydus/infestors and theory crafted with no actual zerg around..... i like tyler and incontrol but i did not appreciate how hypocritical they were being; its hard to be too annoyed though as when you are not the most successful (mainly applies to tyler recently, but incontrol has his fair share of critics too) it is very hard to accept that your race is giving you an advantage. There you have it. Revisit some of the older SoTG cast before the Terran nerfs, both incontrol and tyler were very vocal on the subject. Because they are robots with out emotions? They are Data from Star Trek incapable of emotions or mistakes? I bet in hindsight they probably feel they jumped to conclusions. Are they still friends? Did they completely and totally berate idra and cast him out as a black sheep? No. They where wrong so what. Because you look up to them as Hero's doesnt mean they can make mistakes. Or you took it personal how they where talking to idra who was on the show in subsequent episodes? Idra still comes on they are all still friends right. So what they where wrong. Quoting transcripts doesn't mean anything. Tyler has said many times to protoss players that they just need to play better also. You should grab some of those quotes from back then too. What they hell are you even talking about, jeez dramatize much? You asked where Tyler ever complained about the game / balanced and i copy-pasted that quote. My point was this Tyler is allowed to complain about the the stage of the game, but when zergs and pro-zergs do it then they are wrong? Dobule-standard much? Jeez try to to make Tyler seem like all he does is complain about balance much? I never asked where tyler complained about balance lol. You quoted that I never said hey somebody grab me a quote of tyler complaining about balance please! I said he hardly if ever does! Read again before trying to go out of your way to prove someone wrong. Also the point i was making is that he didn't complain about the ramps because of imbalance he complained because he was suprised they where so small. Which is why he was looking for an answer. Incontrol explained that. I was reiterating that. Stop trying to jump in and save the day with a quote when you obviously didnt read what I wrote in the first place. Obviously you didnt read what I was replying to either and you wrote it. lol. You took one piece of what i wrote and responded with a wall of text. Like i said in my original reply to you people read what they want to read. You took what he said at the end of the Mana game as he was complaining about balance which he wasn't. You then used that to say that he contradicts himselfs. Or has a double standard. You would have been better off replying to him with that wall of text about what he said before on SoTG. Instead of using the Mana game cause that had nothing to do with imbalance. Lol he doesn't complain about balance because Protoss isn't the race that is weak at the moment.
Bingo! Every race has complained about balance since the game came out. The guy I quoted could have sworn that what he said at the end of the Mana game was a balance whine.
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On April 18 2011 11:59 BrodiaQ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:49 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:39 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:34 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:On April 18 2011 10:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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??? the feedback is the game itself. the player doesn't have anything to add to the games he plays. the only time a player needs to say anything is when blizzard is like "we dont have time to watch your last 50 tvz's. can you summarize what's been going in this situation?"
so actually yeah, fuck feedback via forums and comments. blizzard can see the games. that's all that matters In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it. lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. On April 15 2011 03:34 imbs wrote:
here is an interesting set of quotes from an old sotg episode (one from 11.16.10 according to the file) that i wrote up for you. this was when protoss wasnt doing so well. some of these may be inaccurate but really i didn't have much time to do this so i didn't double check it.
incontrol
"thats why you have 12 protoss in the gsl, thats why you look at the top 200 north america and theres 46 protoss.... (goes on to list other top 200 stats)"
"if terran forgets a mule he can just drop 8 more mules, and now they have 4 times the size economy but if i miss a chrono boost im screwed"
"if i miss a forcefield and he runs up my ramp im dead. (on a) terrans ramp its because he lets a depot which goes up and down down."
"there are alot of little coin flips that strongly favor the terran in my opinion"
"protoss has to play as nony said perfectly to counter whatever the terran decides to do, and that puts the protoss player on his heels and thats a bad place for any rts in my opinion"
tyler
"protoss just feels more bare; the other races can survive a variety of things better than protoss can."
"the size of a mistake that a protoss makes that loses a game doesnt for terran"
"terran can just survive some misjudgements some mistakes with timing stuff like that"
"composition wise terran has a lot more leeway, if protoss wants to win they have to have a perfect composition for that or they are screwed"
there was much more of this stuff but you get the gist, and to be fair there were one or two occasions where incontrol would say or mention something about bisu.
fact is though back when protoss was seen as up and terran as op tyler n incontrol had no problem having a big discussion with painuser on balance. with idra they laughed him off randomly and next episode decided to sit there harping on about how they need to use mass nydus/infestors and theory crafted with no actual zerg around..... i like tyler and incontrol but i did not appreciate how hypocritical they were being; its hard to be too annoyed though as when you are not the most successful (mainly applies to tyler recently, but incontrol has his fair share of critics too) it is very hard to accept that your race is giving you an advantage. There you have it. Revisit some of the older SoTG cast before the Terran nerfs, both incontrol and tyler were very vocal on the subject. Because they are robots with out emotions? They are Data from Star Trek incapable of emotions or mistakes? I bet in hindsight they probably feel they jumped to conclusions. Are they still friends? Did they completely and totally berate idra and cast him out as a black sheep? No. They where wrong so what. Because you look up to them as Hero's doesnt mean they can make mistakes. Or you took it personal how they where talking to idra who was on the show in subsequent episodes? Idra still comes on they are all still friends right. So what they where wrong. Quoting transcripts doesn't mean anything. Tyler has said many times to protoss players that they just need to play better also. You should grab some of those quotes from back then too. What they hell are you even talking about, jeez dramatize much? You asked where Tyler ever complained about the game / balanced and i copy-pasted that quote. My point was this Tyler is allowed to complain about the the stage of the game, but when zergs and pro-zergs do it then they are wrong? Dobule-standard much? Jeez try to to make Tyler seem like all he does is complain about balance much? I never asked where tyler complained about balance lol. You quoted that I never said hey somebody grab me a quote of tyler complaining about balance please! I said he hardly if ever does! Read again before trying to go out of your way to prove someone wrong. Also the point i was making is that he didn't complain about the ramps because of imbalance he complained because he was suprised they where so small. Which is why he was looking for an answer. Incontrol explained that. I was reiterating that. Stop trying to jump in and save the day with a quote when you obviously didnt read what I wrote in the first place. Obviously you didnt read what I was replying to either and you wrote it. lol. You took one piece of what i wrote and responded with a wall of text. Like i said in my original reply to you people read what they want to read. You took what he said at the end of the Mana game as he was complaining about balance which he wasn't. You then used that to say that he contradicts himselfs. Or has a double standard. You would have been better off replying to him with that wall of text about what he said before on SoTG. Instead of using the Mana game cause that had nothing to do with imbalance. Lol he doesn't complain about balance because Protoss isn't the race that is weak at the moment.
+1 for intellect.
I'll give you Seer's Belt of Intelligence if you can cast Arcane Intellect on the TL community. <3
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On April 18 2011 11:56 Zzoram wrote:
Hopefully Day9 plays Zerg after this thesis defense so there can be a Zerg voice on the show. PainUser should also become a regular for the Terran voice.
Oh god no, PainUser is great on the show but a Banshee vs DT discussion every single week would be way too much.
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On April 18 2011 11:48 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:44 bentski wrote:
HEY GUYS, I like the idea of the show BUT I CAN'T STAND TYLER/DAY[9]/INCONTROL. If you could just switch all of them to zergs and terran then it would be awesome!! TYLER WAS TOO EMO LAST SHOW, PLEASE REPLACE HIM WITH IDRA SO WE CAN HEAR IDRA WHINE LIKE A 10 YEAR OLD.
/sarcasm
Holy shit... if you guys don't like their opinions, then why do you listen to the show? They ARE the show. God damn, this thread is out of control.
Tyler hang in there man! We're still here rooting for ya Idra doesn't whine when JP asks him to talk about something else, he only whines when its time. Tyler complained/whined for no reason at the beginning which brought down the entire show. WAAAH WAAAH JP WHY YOU ALWAYS ASK ME FIRST?!!?!?
Who cares? Tyler doesn't want to answer a question first and you get upset and want to replace him? I feel bad for you if it really upset you that much. I personally thought the whole show was funny because of how awkward the depressing mood was.
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Where are State of the Game T-shirts available for purchase?
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I don't normally post on this thread, but I just want to say the following:
Tyler has always been one of my favourite regulars on SOTG. Not to take anything away from any of the others, but every time he comes forward with any kind of analysis, I find myself thinking back to what was said days, even weeks later. I play Zerg and I can't make any sort of claim about skill, but I consider his analysis to be the sort you'd expect from an expert panel discussion on any professional sport. He can look at a play and discuss not just what everyone sees, but the possibilities and pitfalls that aren't immediately apparent, but make such perfect sense as to become obvious right after he says it.
I was saddened to hear he was disappointed and preferred to keep quiet on the most recent SOTG, and I thought I'd post my best wishes that he can get back on the horse and in high spirits.
Sincerely hope you can get in the zone and have a great result in the upcoming NASL match and your future tournaments, Tyler.
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Omg, i'm gonna do this, I'm actually going to dare jump in an argument on team liquid. I like the show, i love the show, and its all good. I frankly don't care whether its 3 toss or whatever, its not like what they say are facts anyway.
Having said that, yes, it would be interesting to get a non protoss player but everytime that happens, whenever someone makes a claim he gets demolished by incontrol and tyler along with a laughing day9 and jp. Yes, it is funny, but its sad too. One time they had that terran player, i think painuser maybe?He just said he thinks DTS are better than banshees and they just kept mocking him for that for like 15 minutes. Someone could be a 100% right but when you are being taunted like that , you just look like a tool.
ok bai
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On April 18 2011 11:37 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:35 ExquisiteRed wrote:On April 18 2011 11:31 Cranberries wrote:On April 18 2011 11:27 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Cranberries wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:On April 18 2011 10:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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??? the feedback is the game itself. the player doesn't have anything to add to the games he plays. the only time a player needs to say anything is when blizzard is like "we dont have time to watch your last 50 tvz's. can you summarize what's been going in this situation?"
so actually yeah, fuck feedback via forums and comments. blizzard can see the games. that's all that matters In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it. lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. of c not coz most imbalance threads focus on P as being imbalanced: what professional, who can make money from a game, want their race to get weaker? seriously no person would do that - ppl who're playing the op race/class or w/e want it to stay as op or imbalanced or w/e for as long as possibe... More so when they're making money from it lol You can look at the post above yours to see they didnt always think that no but point is that atm there are many many ppl calling protoss op. i play protoss and idc if my race gets nerfed, i just like watching MC (and tasteless, man i'd get him ravage me lol) but regardless the point is that becoz idra can make money from SC2: he wants it to be balanced, likewise if Zerg was op idra would defend it because zerg being op increases his chance to make money from sc2. greed is powerful lol This has been pointed out many times, IdrA has not been afraid to call out perceived imbalances for zerg's as well. In the early days he was one of the bigger advocates for 1 supply roaches being imbalanced and recently with the infestor change he thought (doesn't think the same anymore) that they were going to be too strong against P. Stop talking out of your ass. lol u can't defend 1 supply roaches not being op ... however protoss is weird coz it's only op against zerg, terran deals with it fine and i'm not sure why - on paper terran should die to the deathball with more ease coz it cannot be delayed (fungals, broods, ling surrounds etc) however im pretty sure in this scenario EVERY protoss player knows their race is a lot easier to be efficient with that a zerg, but they defend it - whyy? answer is pretty obvious tbh.
because with 1-2 adequately placed EMP, Protoss Death Ball become Protoss Dead Ball
Go watch MVP vs Sen last game on GSLWC semi final to see the perfect example of it
MVP was behind the whole game and 1 emp win him the game
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Artosis on next show would be good. Talk about his new recruit and all.
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Ask Artosis how he feels being in top 200 of Master's league instead of grandmaster
I'd kinda feel bad for him but the hilarity and rants that would ensue would be great.
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On April 18 2011 12:21 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:37 Cranberries wrote:On April 18 2011 11:35 ExquisiteRed wrote:On April 18 2011 11:31 Cranberries wrote:On April 18 2011 11:27 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Cranberries wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:
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In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it. lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. of c not coz most imbalance threads focus on P as being imbalanced: what professional, who can make money from a game, want their race to get weaker? seriously no person would do that - ppl who're playing the op race/class or w/e want it to stay as op or imbalanced or w/e for as long as possibe... More so when they're making money from it lol You can look at the post above yours to see they didnt always think that no but point is that atm there are many many ppl calling protoss op. i play protoss and idc if my race gets nerfed, i just like watching MC (and tasteless, man i'd get him ravage me lol) but regardless the point is that becoz idra can make money from SC2: he wants it to be balanced, likewise if Zerg was op idra would defend it because zerg being op increases his chance to make money from sc2. greed is powerful lol This has been pointed out many times, IdrA has not been afraid to call out perceived imbalances for zerg's as well. In the early days he was one of the bigger advocates for 1 supply roaches being imbalanced and recently with the infestor change he thought (doesn't think the same anymore) that they were going to be too strong against P. Stop talking out of your ass. lol u can't defend 1 supply roaches not being op ... however protoss is weird coz it's only op against zerg, terran deals with it fine and i'm not sure why - on paper terran should die to the deathball with more ease coz it cannot be delayed (fungals, broods, ling surrounds etc) however im pretty sure in this scenario EVERY protoss player knows their race is a lot easier to be efficient with that a zerg, but they defend it - whyy? answer is pretty obvious tbh. because with 1-2 adequately placed EMP, Protoss Death Ball become Protoss Dead Ball Go watch MVP vs Sen last game on GSLWC semi final to see the perfect example of it MVP was behind the whole game and 1 emp win him the game
Also vikings fare better vs VRs and with range 9 you can make fewer vikings because they can't get picked off as easily due to their range. Bio with medivacs is also more cost efficient vs gateway than Zerg and Terran as a whole is more population efficient.
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Lol... Its quite obvious why tyler was complaining... seriously have you not seen Crevasse people? Originally its a big ramp with a rock, however NASL failed to mention to Tyler that they modded the ramps. Obviously, tyler trained on the regular Crevasse instead of the NASL version. If they played on the reg Crevasse, tyler would have indefinitely won that
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On April 18 2011 12:28 Axel.Bowex wrote:
Lol... Its quite obvious why tyler was complaining... seriously have you not seen Crevasse people? Originally its a big ramp with a rock, however NASL failed to mention to Tyler that they modded the ramps. Obviously, tyler trained on the regular Crevasse instead of the NASL version. If they played on the reg Crevasse, tyler would have indefinitely won that
I dont see how this is part of SotG yet
im sure theres a NASL thread or something
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