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On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete.
You're just too blind to realize that there's a scene in Europe as well. Offline/online, who cares? It's about who's a good player and who's not. The euro scene is big and there are highly competitive cups each weekend.
Sorry if it doesn't match your view of the world but take a look at the monthly rankings here:
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2
Let me guess, there's plenty of names you don't recognize correct? Realize that everyone of those players might as well be PainUser.
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On November 25 2010 04:22 Ewli wrote:
I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3.
You have both, how great is that now?
Also why didn't PainUser didn't sign up for the BYOC qualifier?
As far as I can see HuK signed up for that right as he missed his spot in GSL (and luckily got the invite of IdrA later on)
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On November 25 2010 04:27 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:22 Ewli wrote:
I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3. You have both, how great is that now?
Yeah ofc, but I'd rather have machine, Painuser, IdrA etc in the tournament rather than Thorzain, morrow etc. Not that they are bad players but I think the tournament will be a better one with the best players possible.
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On November 25 2010 04:24 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. You're just too blind to realize that there's a scene in Europe as well. Offline/online, who cares? It's about who's a good player and who's not. The euro scene is big and there are highly competitive cups each weekend. Sorry if it doesn't match your view of the world but take a look at the monthly rankings here: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2Let me guess, there's plenty of names you don't recognize correct? Realize that everyone of those players might as well be PainUser.
Yeah I mean MLG Dallas or Go4SC2 cup #341 had equally stacked fields, I totally agree with you here. And I also understand how winning a zotac or a go4sc2 cup makes you a top player because there's like 1024 top players all competing for that 50 bucks, both american and european players. And the fact that its played online just make the tournament more legit because you get to face more players, Right?
^^
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On November 25 2010 04:32 Ewli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:27 FliedLice wrote:On November 25 2010 04:22 Ewli wrote:
I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3. You have both, how great is that now? Yeah ofc, but I'd rather have machine, Painuser, IdrA etc in the tournament rather than Thorzain, morrow etc. Not that they are bad players but I think the tournament will be a better one with the best players possible.
IdrA had an invite, Thorzain qualified, machine actually wanted to go (for the BYOC qual) but it seems EG didn't have the money because they already spent it on idra... and look at morrows achievement list again.
and as i edited in above, why didn't painuser apply for the BYOC?
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On November 25 2010 04:36 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:32 Ewli wrote:On November 25 2010 04:27 FliedLice wrote:On November 25 2010 04:22 Ewli wrote:
I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3. You have both, how great is that now? Yeah ofc, but I'd rather have machine, Painuser, IdrA etc in the tournament rather than Thorzain, morrow etc. Not that they are bad players but I think the tournament will be a better one with the best players possible. IdrA had an invite, Thorzain qualified, machine actually wanted to go (for the BYOC qual) but it seems EG didn't have the money because they already spent it on idra... and look at morrows achievement list again. and as i edited in above, why didn't painuser apply for the BYOC?
I'm not saying those players didn't have the opportunity to go, well except for idra. but as for the invited players I'd like to see better players get an invite.
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On November 25 2010 04:32 Senx wrote:
Yeah I mean MLG Dallas or Go4SC2 cup #341 had equally stacked fields, I totally agree with you here. And I also understand how winning a zotac or a go4sc2 cup makes you a top player because there's like 1024 top players all competing for that 50 bucks, both american and european players. And the fact that its played online just make the tournament more legit because you get to face more players, Right?
^^
You're silly if you really believe comparing 1-2 decent results in a tournament with what you'd call a "stacked field" to 10+ top place finishes in tournaments where they have to face equally as good if not better players is going to be in your favor.
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On November 25 2010 04:36 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:32 Ewli wrote:On November 25 2010 04:27 FliedLice wrote:On November 25 2010 04:22 Ewli wrote:
I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3. You have both, how great is that now? Yeah ofc, but I'd rather have machine, Painuser, IdrA etc in the tournament rather than Thorzain, morrow etc. Not that they are bad players but I think the tournament will be a better one with the best players possible. IdrA had an invite, Thorzain qualified, machine actually wanted to go (for the BYOC qual) but it seems EG didn't have the money because they already spent it on idra... and look at morrows achievement list again. and as i edited in above, why didn't painuser apply for the BYOC?
No.
Machine had a full invite.
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On November 25 2010 04:32 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:24 ParasitJonte wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. You're just too blind to realize that there's a scene in Europe as well. Offline/online, who cares? It's about who's a good player and who's not. The euro scene is big and there are highly competitive cups each weekend. Sorry if it doesn't match your view of the world but take a look at the monthly rankings here: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2Let me guess, there's plenty of names you don't recognize correct? Realize that everyone of those players might as well be PainUser. Yeah I mean MLG Dallas or Go4SC2 cup #341 had equally stacked fields, I totally agree with you here. And I also understand how winning a zotac or a go4sc2 cup makes you a top player because there's like 1024 top players all competing for that 50 bucks, both american and european players. And the fact that its played online just make the tournament more legit because you get to face more players, Right? ^^
MLG Dallas was the best tourny of the MLG tournys so far I think. There were lots of great players. But mostly it was still just sub-par american scrubs like the first two ones.
Sorry, America <<<< Europe ;o.
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On November 25 2010 04:38 Ewli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:36 FliedLice wrote:On November 25 2010 04:32 Ewli wrote:On November 25 2010 04:27 FliedLice wrote:On November 25 2010 04:22 Ewli wrote:
I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3. You have both, how great is that now? Yeah ofc, but I'd rather have machine, Painuser, IdrA etc in the tournament rather than Thorzain, morrow etc. Not that they are bad players but I think the tournament will be a better one with the best players possible. IdrA had an invite, Thorzain qualified, machine actually wanted to go (for the BYOC qual) but it seems EG didn't have the money because they already spent it on idra... and look at morrows achievement list again. and as i edited in above, why didn't painuser apply for the BYOC? I'm not saying those players didn't have the opportunity to go, well except for idra. but as for the invited players I'd like to see better players get an invite.
imho you can't really take the invite from any of those 15invited players (maybe madfrog, but he has swedish-awesomeness-bonus i guess)
it is probably THE best lineup you could get with mainly european players...
and i can totally understand if the first big european offline event since IEM cologne has a euro-heavy lineup
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On November 25 2010 04:50 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:32 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 04:24 ParasitJonte wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. You're just too blind to realize that there's a scene in Europe as well. Offline/online, who cares? It's about who's a good player and who's not. The euro scene is big and there are highly competitive cups each weekend. Sorry if it doesn't match your view of the world but take a look at the monthly rankings here: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2Let me guess, there's plenty of names you don't recognize correct? Realize that everyone of those players might as well be PainUser. Yeah I mean MLG Dallas or Go4SC2 cup #341 had equally stacked fields, I totally agree with you here. And I also understand how winning a zotac or a go4sc2 cup makes you a top player because there's like 1024 top players all competing for that 50 bucks, both american and european players. And the fact that its played online just make the tournament more legit because you get to face more players, Right? ^^ MLG Dallas was the best tourny of the MLG tournys so far I think. There were lots of great players. But mostly it was still just sub-par american scrubs like the first two ones. Sorry, America <<<< Europe ;o.
are you serious?
did you actually look at the lineup of MLG dallas?
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On November 25 2010 04:55 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:50 ParasitJonte wrote:On November 25 2010 04:32 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 04:24 ParasitJonte wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. You're just too blind to realize that there's a scene in Europe as well. Offline/online, who cares? It's about who's a good player and who's not. The euro scene is big and there are highly competitive cups each weekend. Sorry if it doesn't match your view of the world but take a look at the monthly rankings here: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2Let me guess, there's plenty of names you don't recognize correct? Realize that everyone of those players might as well be PainUser. Yeah I mean MLG Dallas or Go4SC2 cup #341 had equally stacked fields, I totally agree with you here. And I also understand how winning a zotac or a go4sc2 cup makes you a top player because there's like 1024 top players all competing for that 50 bucks, both american and european players. And the fact that its played online just make the tournament more legit because you get to face more players, Right? ^^ MLG Dallas was the best tourny of the MLG tournys so far I think. There were lots of great players. But mostly it was still just sub-par american scrubs like the first two ones. Sorry, America <<<< Europe ;o. are you serious? did you actually look at the lineup of MLG dallas?
Like I said. It was the best. Prolly the best non-korean.
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huh, suprised you guys didn't talk about TorcH joining Startale when he is in korea
other than that, great show once again, lots of good drama in the thread already <3
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On November 25 2010 04:57 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 04:55 FliedLice wrote:On November 25 2010 04:50 ParasitJonte wrote:On November 25 2010 04:32 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 04:24 ParasitJonte wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:
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He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN.
What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately?
This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. You're just too blind to realize that there's a scene in Europe as well. Offline/online, who cares? It's about who's a good player and who's not. The euro scene is big and there are highly competitive cups each weekend. Sorry if it doesn't match your view of the world but take a look at the monthly rankings here: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2Let me guess, there's plenty of names you don't recognize correct? Realize that everyone of those players might as well be PainUser. Yeah I mean MLG Dallas or Go4SC2 cup #341 had equally stacked fields, I totally agree with you here. And I also understand how winning a zotac or a go4sc2 cup makes you a top player because there's like 1024 top players all competing for that 50 bucks, both american and european players. And the fact that its played online just make the tournament more legit because you get to face more players, Right? ^^ MLG Dallas was the best tourny of the MLG tournys so far I think. There were lots of great players. But mostly it was still just sub-par american scrubs like the first two ones. Sorry, America <<<< Europe ;o. are you serious? did you actually look at the lineup of MLG dallas? Like I said. It was the best. Prolly the best non-korean.
how does you post make any sense then?
if there were regular events on the scale of MLG in europe you'd have just as many "sup-par european scrubs" in there as you have american ones at MLG
but yeah... wait, something like that never happened, so lets just make stupid claims for the lulz
and no, a two-times-a-week-go4sc2 cup is not really comparable to a MLG, IEM, GSL or Dreamhack event
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iNcontroL is freakin AWESOME XD
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On November 25 2010 03:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
THIS WEEKS BORING ARGUMENT: invites and dreamhack: Does PainUser have a point?
-_-
I think Painuser sounds bitter and its awkward to listen to. It is a european lan event and thus has mostly european players in it. Incontrol and painuser criticised the players involved at the group stages but all seem to be 2500+ players which is decent. Its like some of the players you get at MLG, maybe spades, torch, incontrol himself?. Simply being in the european scene and not being known to painuser doesnt make you any less deserving of a spot, or any less of a player.
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On November 25 2010 05:00 SmoKim wrote:
huh, suprised you guys didn't talk about TorcH joining Startale when he is in korea
other than that, great show once again, lots of good drama in the thread already <3
10 min prep time yo
rive and rearn 
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On November 25 2010 05:26 odder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 05:00 SmoKim wrote:
huh, suprised you guys didn't talk about TorcH joining Startale when he is in korea
other than that, great show once again, lots of good drama in the thread already <3 10 min prep time yo rive and rearn
Geoff doing asian impressions should be mandatory every show, period
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