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On November 25 2010 02:04 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:58 Numy wrote:On November 25 2010 01:53 Grettin wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. To add, what i checked quickly, many of those "wins" from the weekly cups etc are against some not even "top" level of players. Not to diss anyone, but i mean, where is Invite for Root players like Qxc? FOR SURE deserves an invite. They could've even asked chinese players to attend there. None aren't in GSL and they dont have any tournaments to attend meanwhile. Or Select. No tournaments, no GSL and for sure deserves an invite. To my knowledge you had to send an email requesting an invite to get one. So before you go on about a list of names that could have been invited, make sure those names actually applied in the first place or your whole rant is rather pointless. Quite a few of the guys going to the BYOC could have easily been invited instead of those invited though. Well, yeah i don't know how it goes, so you are right. But sounds ridiculous that team like Dignitas wouldn't ask Select to be invited or QXC sending an request to the DH staff. The prize money is ridiculously high. Of course there might be something that prevents them going. But imo DH made a mistake when not asking the players themselves(if that what you said is correct). Chinese crowd to cheer for chinese players in a "huge" tournament? Seriously idiotic. Also stands for the best players possible who are out there. But anyway, some people there really doesn't deserve a invite, but who knows who really tried to get the invite.
Yea I agree with you completely I just think you had to apply, although I could be wrong. It's a pity we might never know who got denied invites for the current invite list. I mean surely the guys going to the BYOC applied and some of them are far more deserving than the current list.
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latest episode was really good but please do not invite painuser again. there are just better personalities to bring in
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On November 25 2010 01:57 Thurokiir wrote:
Btw for every person NOT watching the GSL or realize that 0's are used as delimiters: Foh-u = f0u
That's an O, not a 0. (Liquipedia says it stands for "For Our Utopia," so maybe that's where it comes from.) But it's still pronounced foh-u, because that's how they want to pronounce it. The pronunciation was cleared up in an off-hand remark from someone, I don't remember who, in the Korean scene in a video from Artosis, probably years ago now.
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Someone should really set up a torrent for the podcast, so the download server doesn't get hit this hard.
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On November 25 2010 02:04 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:58 Numy wrote:On November 25 2010 01:53 Grettin wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. To add, what i checked quickly, many of those "wins" from the weekly cups etc are against some not even "top" level of players. Not to diss anyone, but i mean, where is Invite for Root players like Qxc? FOR SURE deserves an invite. They could've even asked chinese players to attend there. None aren't in GSL and they dont have any tournaments to attend meanwhile. Or Select. No tournaments, no GSL and for sure deserves an invite. To my knowledge you had to send an email requesting an invite to get one. So before you go on about a list of names that could have been invited, make sure those names actually applied in the first place or your whole rant is rather pointless. Quite a few of the guys going to the BYOC could have easily been invited instead of those invited though. Well, yeah i don't know how it goes, so you are right. But sounds ridiculous that team like Dignitas wouldn't ask Select to be invited or QXC sending an request to the DH staff. The prize money is ridiculously high. Of course there might be something that prevents them going. But imo DH made a mistake when not asking the players themselves(if that what you said is correct). Chinese crowd to cheer for chinese players in a "huge" tournament? Seriously idiotic move. Also stands for the best players possible who are out there from NA etc. But anyway, some people there really doesn't deserve a invite, but who knows who really tried to get the invite.
come on man, it was stated above. You had time to apply for invite until 15th of November or so. Select was busy with GSL qualifiers at that time.
Same with QXC you dont know anything about the reasons why he didnt go, but just for the sake of complaining you are crying here now.
Neither do you anything about the Dreamhack staff and how they really handle those invites.
And even then, Dreamhack is a Europe based event. It's great when people from outside Europe come, but you can bet that Dreamhack staff will prefer to invite Europeans if they cant make a clear decision between a european and a noneuropean
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Anyone else getting terrible download speeds on the latest ep? :X
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On November 25 2010 02:12 Scarmath wrote:
Someone should really set up a torrent for the podcast, so the download server doesn't get hit this hard.
On November 25 2010 02:16 stafu wrote:
Anyone else getting terrible download speeds on the latest ep? :X
use da mirror!
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On November 24 2010 17:05 itmeJP wrote:
Editing show now. I tried my best to keep a running timeline throughout the show. These aren't exact but I tried to remember. It'll serve as a preview while I edit / export / upload.
0:03 - What we've up to
0:20 - GSL
0:30 - Dreamhack
0:40 - Why IdrA isn't going to Dreamhack (GSL messed up)
0:43 - Best of 1 in Dreamhack
0:45 - IdrA and Painuser got screwed
0:49 - Upgrade Discussion
1:05 - Timings
1:16 - TvZ discussion
1:21 - Blueflame
1:28 - Thors
1:32 - Ultralisks and Broodlords
1:50 - JP's big problem
1:55 - User Questions
"JP's big problem" sounds like a really cheesy movie with frankie muniz.
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On November 25 2010 02:15 Blobskillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 02:04 Grettin wrote:On November 25 2010 01:58 Numy wrote:On November 25 2010 01:53 Grettin wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. To add, what i checked quickly, many of those "wins" from the weekly cups etc are against some not even "top" level of players. Not to diss anyone, but i mean, where is Invite for Root players like Qxc? FOR SURE deserves an invite. They could've even asked chinese players to attend there. None aren't in GSL and they dont have any tournaments to attend meanwhile. Or Select. No tournaments, no GSL and for sure deserves an invite. To my knowledge you had to send an email requesting an invite to get one. So before you go on about a list of names that could have been invited, make sure those names actually applied in the first place or your whole rant is rather pointless. Quite a few of the guys going to the BYOC could have easily been invited instead of those invited though. Well, yeah i don't know how it goes, so you are right. But sounds ridiculous that team like Dignitas wouldn't ask Select to be invited or QXC sending an request to the DH staff. The prize money is ridiculously high. Of course there might be something that prevents them going. But imo DH made a mistake when not asking the players themselves(if that what you said is correct). Chinese crowd to cheer for chinese players in a "huge" tournament? Seriously idiotic move. Also stands for the best players possible who are out there from NA etc. But anyway, some people there really doesn't deserve a invite, but who knows who really tried to get the invite. come on man, it was stated above. You had time to apply for invite until 15th of November or so. Select was busy with GSL qualifiers at that time. Same with QXC you dont know anything about the reasons why he didnt go, but just for the sake of complaining you are crying here now. Neither do you anything about the Dreamhack staff and how they really handle those invites. And even then, Dreamhack is a Europe based event. It's great when people from outside Europe come, but you can bet that Dreamhack staff will prefer to invite Europeans if they cant make a clear decision between a european and a noneuropean
I don't really see why wouldn't you want players from around the world to play in the largest LAN event there is. I bet sponsors are more than pleased to see more viewers on the event stream etc. When you try to invite the best players who are able to attend, that gives you more viewers (especially countries like China, Korea etc) if they can make it. More advertisement for the sponsors.
And no, i don't know why QXC didn't go. But why are you saying i don't know how Dreamhack staff handled those invites? You just said it was stated above, you had to apply for the invite. Guess that is the way DH handled the invites then? (and as you can see, i apologized for being wrong there first)
And no, im not trying to cry or complain here. I'm just discussing how they could do these things differently and how i see it myself. I'm more than happy to have an tournament with this kind of player setup. I have nothing against it, vice versa.
Still doesn't change the fact that there would've been players who deserved the invite more than some did.
But anyway, thats how i see it. DH does these things their way, i would do them differently. Shanti~
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iNcontroL
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THIS WEEKS BORING ARGUMENT: invites and dreamhack: Does PainUser have a point?
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On November 25 2010 03:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
THIS WEEKS BORING ARGUMENT: invites and dreamhack: Does PainUser have a point?
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It's an invite tournament. Therefore you cannot complain about not getting invited, since its their tournament. I'm sure the reason they invited the other people is because they're more popular in Europe and that's their target audience. I think.
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LOL JP canceling show for WoW :DDD
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On November 25 2010 03:27 AyJay wrote:
LOL JP canceling show for WoW :DDD
i can totally understand that.
incontrol should just host the podcast that week
or idra.
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About the round robin rant by iNcontrol...
It's set up just like the FIFA World Cup Tournament, and they have been doing this round robin elimination for God knows how long....it's one of the reasons the world cup is so exciting. France losing to Mexico, Cameroon losing to Japan, or Spain losing to Switzerland is not good for the favored teams, but it is fun stuff for the fans.
The good thing is that the top 2 teams from each 4 man group qualify to the next round...then it's a BO3...
I think that's fair.
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are you really cancelling a show for WoW jp??..
really???
I am going to lose all respect for you man 
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On November 25 2010 03:53 Capulina wrote:
About the round robin rant by iNcontrol...
It's set up just like the FIFA World Cup Tournament, and they have been doing this round robin elimination for God knows how long....it's one of the reasons the world cup is so exciting. France losing to Mexico, Cameroon losing to Japan, or Spain losing to Switzerland is not good for the favored teams, but it is fun stuff for the fans.
The good thing is that the top 2 teams from each 4 man group qualify to the next round...then it's a BO3...
I think that's fair.
A round robin should not be bo1 in Starcraft EVER. This isn't FIFA World Cup. This is Starcraft 2. Bo1 should NEVER be played.
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On November 25 2010 03:53 Capulina wrote:
About the round robin rant by iNcontrol...
It's set up just like the FIFA World Cup Tournament, and they have been doing this round robin elimination for God knows how long....it's one of the reasons the world cup is so exciting. France losing to Mexico, Cameroon losing to Japan, or Spain losing to Switzerland is not good for the favored teams, but it is fun stuff for the fans.
The good thing is that the top 2 teams from each 4 man group qualify to the next round...then it's a BO3...
I think that's fair.
its starcraft, not football.
they should probably start playing bo3 in the football worldcup beginning from the round of 32 too, eh?
imagine it!
3 90minute games in a row, awesome! just like starcraft handles it
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Why are you so ashamed of comming from WoW JP. I'm pretty sure you are part of the majority.
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On November 25 2010 03:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
THIS WEEKS BORING ARGUMENT: invites and dreamhack: Does PainUser have a point?
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In general:
You north americans are naturally biased to fellow north american players because you run into them at tournaments and practice with them etc. Therefore they are "names" in North America.
Europe of course has it's own scene. Some of the players you've never heard of have been performing again and again in tournaments like ESL Viking Cup and what not. For every player that is "known" in North America and not known in Europe, there is at least one player "known" in Europe that is not known in North America.
That's just how it goes and it's kind of stupid to think that just because you haven't seen someone play they must be awful. I'm not sure of the quality of the "DH on tour" qualifiying players but I think it's kind of a joke if North American players think they should be awarded automatic invites just because they've performed in MLG.
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I'd rather have known americans/korean players in the Dreamhack tournament than have some no-name Sc2 players that were good in wc3.
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