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On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited.
He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN.
What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately?
This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins.
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On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins.
Sorry, but they are going to invite top swedish players to a swedish tournament
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On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited.
Perhaps I misinterpreted, but I got the impression that he was referring to the way they handled it (deciding before the deadline for sending requests, not informing him until much later, etc) and not that he didn't get an invite at all. I don't know, he just doesn't strike me like an arrogant guy in the slightest.
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On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified.
Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right?
And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron?
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On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players.
I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs.
A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you.
And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete.
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I hate to ask but are there any other mirrors? I really love the show but I listen from my iPod and both the official and mediafire mirror don't seem to work?
Bonus question: what is the difference between A class and S class in the GSL?
Thanks
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The show was great as always! Good job guys.
I think it's cool to have a Terran user on the show. You might consider Painuser as a regular guest/host.
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On November 25 2010 00:54 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. There is punch of people who really doesn't deserve an invite either. Though, im not saying Painuser would be one of those who deserves it, but there are players who really deserves the invite more than some who already got it.
Yea there are quite a lot of people who deserve invites more than those that got. I think Painuser's main beef is that he feels like they didn't even consider his request for an invite and just shrugged him off which I think is true and rather harsh.
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On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete.
To add, what i checked quickly, many of those "wins" from the weekly cups etc are against some not even "top" level of players. Not to diss anyone, but i mean, where is Invite for Root players like Qxc? FOR SURE deserves an invite. They could've even asked chinese players to attend there. None aren't in GSL and they dont have any tournaments to attend meanwhile. Or Select. No tournaments, no GSL and for sure deserves an invite.
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Btw for every person NOT watching the GSL or realize that 0's are used as delimiters: Foh-u = f0u
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On November 25 2010 01:53 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. To add, what i checked quickly, many of those "wins" from the weekly cups etc are against some not even "top" level of players. Not to diss anyone, but i mean, where is Invite for Root players like Qxc? FOR SURE deserves an invite. They could've even asked chinese players to attend there. None aren't in GSL and they dont have any tournaments to attend meanwhile. Or Select. No tournaments, no GSL and for sure deserves an invite.
To my knowledge you had to send an email requesting an invite to get one. So before you go on about a list of names that could have been invited, make sure those names actually applied in the first place or your whole rant is rather pointless.
Quite a few of the guys going to the BYOC could have easily been invited instead of those invited though.
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Thanks for the timestamp! It's actually really helpful. Sometimes I just don't want to listen to the whole 2 hours or don't have time and having the timestamp allows me to listen to what I want!
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Not the best people get invited. Not the people who earned it get invited. The people who bring the most attention/entertainment get invited. In Sweden, that means the local heroes in Starcraft and former Warcraft, plus additional a european heavy line-up.
Just like in real sports, we are in the entertainment industry. Ever wondered why so many extremely good player/musicians/artist out there get no shot in this industry and Britney Spears or Justin Bieber nowadays do...?
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wow I didn't realize they removed a map veto, thats freaking rediculous
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On November 25 2010 01:58 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 01:53 Grettin wrote:On November 25 2010 01:41 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:26 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 01:15 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 01:12 zeru wrote:On November 25 2010 00:59 Senx wrote:On November 25 2010 00:10 Monzterg wrote:
Why does Painuser think he deserves a invite to dreamhack?? Wich one of the invites does he think he should replace and why??
I dont get this why he is upset. He can just enter the tournament like everyone else if he wants to, without beeing invited. He got 3rd at the single most stacked tournament of the year in MLG Dallas, he has won several smaller tournaments aswell as Socal LAN. What has Madfrog, tarson, morrow, lucifron or thorzain accomplished lately? This isn't about who deserves an invite, its about who is a big name and who isn't, Painuser is clearly not a big name for the Dreamhack tourney admins. Lets look at Painuser: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 3rd place MLG Dallas | 2500$
# 2nd place GosuCoaching Weekly #13
# 1st place SOCAL LAN #5 | 1000$
# 1st place US ESL Open Cup #2
Tarson: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 2nd place Close Combat #23 | 100 euro
# 1st place Go4SC2 #55 | 200€
# 4th place Close Combat #22
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #54
# Winner of GosuGamers nVidia King of the Hill #7 | 100€
# 1st place Dignitas Western Digital Halloween Cup | 320GB Western Digital My Passport Essential USB 2.0 External Hard Drive - HDD
# 2nd place Close Combat #18 | 100€
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #51
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #29
# 1st place CraftCup #16 | 150$
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #48
# 1st place iomega CraftCup #12 | 100$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #27
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #46
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #44
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #39 | 200€
# 4th place IEM Global Challenge | 900$
# 1st place IEM Poland Qualification Cup
# 2nd place EU Craft Cup #3
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #25
# 1st place Cybersport 36i6 | Laptop Lenovo iPadY550
Morrow: + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place StarCraft 2 Vision Invitational Cup #1 | 150$
# 2nd place SK Gaming's Championship Trophy | Bigfoot Killer 2100
# Winner of Undeniably Gamer's Leave No Doubt Showmatch #2 | 120$
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #9 | 50$
# 2nd place US Craft Cup #5
# 1st place Competo Cup #7 | 50€ / 550W PSU by XILENCE
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #11 | 50€
# 1st place SCV Ready Cash Cup #1 | 50€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #8 | 50$
# 3rd place TaKe's Homestory Cup | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #10 | 100€
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #21
# 2nd place Open Wolf Cup #7
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #34
# 1st place Go4SC2 Cup #32
# 1st place IEM Global Challenge | 5,000$
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #18 | 100€
# 1st place Fisher Open Cup #1 | 100$
# 1st place FaZe's Icarus Cup | 150$
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #7 | 50€
# 1st place ESL Viking Cup #6
# 2nd place IOL Cup #1 | 300€
# 1st place Open Wolf Cup #6
Lucifron (not as impressive, but high winrate against other pros) + Show Spoiler +
Achievements:
# 1st place SK Gaming Champion's Trophy #2 | 250$+ Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 network card
# 2nd place Black Dragon League Qualifier #2
# 2nd place Go4SC2 Cup #39
# 1st place ZOTAC Cup #23 | 100€
# 2nd place IEM Last Chance Qualification Cup
# 9th-12th place IEM Global Challenge | 400$
# 2nd place ZOTAC Cup #18
# 3rd place Go4SC2 Cup #24
Madfrog got invited because he is a legend. Thorzain was NOT an invite, he qualified. Are you seriously comparing small online cups to major offline events? I guess whatever make you look correct, right? And why arent you mentioning painusers MLG DC and Raleigh result when you mention a 9-12th place for lucifron? Do you not know what go4sc2 cups are? 1024 player tournaments with euros top top players participating. Just because the prize money is not as big doesn't mean the games count less against high quality players. And you actually think i wrote the wins down myself? lol. There are these lovely sites like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playershttp://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankingsI'm not saying painuser isn't as good as the others or better. But he hasn't proven AS MUCH that he can consistently do well over and over and over against high quality players. I would say beating several of the very top EU and US players in several MLGs is way bigger than participating and doing well in a EU only online event vs scrubs up until the playoffs. A stacked offline tourney vs online play is like day and night nd if you don't understand this I can't help you. And I'm just calling you out for citing incorrect facts to backup your argument, you missed out on a bunch of results. Doesn't matter if you didn't write them yourself, you didn't care to check if they were complete. To add, what i checked quickly, many of those "wins" from the weekly cups etc are against some not even "top" level of players. Not to diss anyone, but i mean, where is Invite for Root players like Qxc? FOR SURE deserves an invite. They could've even asked chinese players to attend there. None aren't in GSL and they dont have any tournaments to attend meanwhile. Or Select. No tournaments, no GSL and for sure deserves an invite. To my knowledge you had to send an email requesting an invite to get one. So before you go on about a list of names that could have been invited, make sure those names actually applied in the first place or your whole rant is rather pointless. Quite a few of the guys going to the BYOC could have easily been invited instead of those invited though.
Well, yeah i don't know how it goes, so you are right. But sounds ridiculous that team like Dignitas wouldn't ask Select to be invited or QXC sending an request to the DH staff. The prize money is ridiculously high. Of course there might be something that prevents them going.
But imo DH made a mistake when not asking the players themselves(if that what you said is correct). Chinese crowd to cheer for chinese players in a "huge" tournament? Seriously idiotic move. Also stands for the best players possible who are out there from NA etc.
But anyway, some people there really doesn't deserve a invite, but who knows who really tried to get the invite.
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