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Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
November 15 2012 22:21 GMT
#51341
On November 16 2012 07:21 Tsubbi wrote:
Talkforce does not disappoint!

just what i was thinking lol. now we need the laughforce ^_^
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
November 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#51342
tt qxc. Start watching terran games plz.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
November 15 2012 22:27 GMT
#51343
really need some life (not the player) to be injected into this show
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
November 15 2012 22:32 GMT
#51344
Comment on the balance discussion of HotS:

Balance is not about time or motivation (as stated by the panel) it is all about numbers. The more players that play it, the easier it is to balance the game. It is not about money or motivation.
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
November 15 2012 22:32 GMT
#51345
On November 16 2012 07:27 mememolly wrote:
really need some life (not the player) to be injected into this show


yeh kinda. the 3 guys are doing fine, but they always needs a healthy mix of different types. They could use a "life-guy":
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
November 15 2012 22:36 GMT
#51346
On November 16 2012 07:21 Swiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 07:21 Tsubbi wrote:
Talkforce does not disappoint!

just what i was thinking lol. now we need the laughforce ^_^


Yes.
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
November 15 2012 22:39 GMT
#51347
On November 16 2012 06:35 udgnim wrote:
WCS will become the anti-hype if Stephano and/or Scarlett don't go deep

can't expect that many exciting matches with most matchups being ZvZ, PvP, or PvZ

infestor whine will regain a massive amount of steam with Zergs playing to win and thus, very likely making many many infestors



WCS has the problem for me that if I made a group of the top 32 players in the world to compete for "World Champion" against eachother....there might be four names on the current list that overlap. It's still a tournament, but it has about the validity of an all-female tournament calling itself "world championship".
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
November 15 2012 22:41 GMT
#51348
Darkforce's laugh possibly the best laugh I've ever heard.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 22:44:23
November 15 2012 22:41 GMT
#51349
On November 16 2012 07:39 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 06:35 udgnim wrote:
WCS will become the anti-hype if Stephano and/or Scarlett don't go deep

can't expect that many exciting matches with most matchups being ZvZ, PvP, or PvZ

infestor whine will regain a massive amount of steam with Zergs playing to win and thus, very likely making many many infestors



WCS has the problem for me that if I made a group of the top 32 players in the world to compete for "World Champion" against eachother....there might be four names on the current list that overlap. It's still a tournament, but it has about the validity of an all-female tournament calling itself "world championship".


This is the product of holding the regionals and continentals months and months ago, the players that qualified in April/May of this year are in some cases no longer top players. Also Terrans got screwed in KR with the patch timing right before the WCS KR qualifiers.

Building up to a big tournament at the end of the year sounds good in theory but the scene moves too fast and top players change too often.

For example, from the players in the top 8 of the current GSL season only one of them is going to BWC.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
November 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#51350
On November 16 2012 07:41 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 07:39 Angel_ wrote:
On November 16 2012 06:35 udgnim wrote:
WCS will become the anti-hype if Stephano and/or Scarlett don't go deep

can't expect that many exciting matches with most matchups being ZvZ, PvP, or PvZ

infestor whine will regain a massive amount of steam with Zergs playing to win and thus, very likely making many many infestors



WCS has the problem for me that if I made a group of the top 32 players in the world to compete for "World Champion" against eachother....there might be four names on the current list that overlap. It's still a tournament, but it has about the validity of an all-female tournament calling itself "world championship".


This is the product of holding the regionals and continentals months and months ago, the players that qualified in April/May of this year are in some cases no longer top players. Also Terrans got screwed in KR with the patch timing right before the WCS KR qualifiers.

Building up to a big tournament at the end of the year sounds good in theory but the scene moves too fast and top players change too often.

Thing is, SC2 Champion of 2012 doesn't just mean who's best in Nov/Dec.

Winning during April/May still counts as part of 2012.

Plus those tournaments were legit tournaments on their own (except for the MLG ones but other than that).
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
November 15 2012 22:49 GMT
#51351
support unit made en masse makes me sad .
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 15 2012 22:50 GMT
#51352
On November 16 2012 07:39 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 06:35 udgnim wrote:
WCS will become the anti-hype if Stephano and/or Scarlett don't go deep

can't expect that many exciting matches with most matchups being ZvZ, PvP, or PvZ

infestor whine will regain a massive amount of steam with Zergs playing to win and thus, very likely making many many infestors



WCS has the problem for me that if I made a group of the top 32 players in the world to compete for "World Champion" against eachother....there might be four names on the current list that overlap. It's still a tournament, but it has about the validity of an all-female tournament calling itself "world championship".


I agree. I'll tune in some to see the production and stuff, but in terms of quality of players it's a pretty low level tournament. MLG was more stacked and the upcoming IPL 5 is more stacked than this. The quality of players here is slightly above a DH. There are just too many foreigners here and they will get destroyed pretty easily here.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 15 2012 22:50 GMT
#51353
poor darkforce, its 2v1
yo
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 15 2012 22:51 GMT
#51354
On November 16 2012 07:44 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 07:41 Dodgin wrote:
On November 16 2012 07:39 Angel_ wrote:
On November 16 2012 06:35 udgnim wrote:
WCS will become the anti-hype if Stephano and/or Scarlett don't go deep

can't expect that many exciting matches with most matchups being ZvZ, PvP, or PvZ

infestor whine will regain a massive amount of steam with Zergs playing to win and thus, very likely making many many infestors



WCS has the problem for me that if I made a group of the top 32 players in the world to compete for "World Champion" against eachother....there might be four names on the current list that overlap. It's still a tournament, but it has about the validity of an all-female tournament calling itself "world championship".


This is the product of holding the regionals and continentals months and months ago, the players that qualified in April/May of this year are in some cases no longer top players. Also Terrans got screwed in KR with the patch timing right before the WCS KR qualifiers.

Building up to a big tournament at the end of the year sounds good in theory but the scene moves too fast and top players change too often.

Thing is, SC2 Champion of 2012 doesn't just mean who's best in Nov/Dec.

Winning during April/May still counts as part of 2012.

Plus those tournaments were legit tournaments on their own (except for the MLG ones but other than that).


I still think this tournament is an awful way to determine the " world champion " or " best player of 2012 "

It should be based on performance in every tournament the player enters for the entire year, if BWC was the only tournament for sc2 like it is for World of Warcraft then it would work and make sense. No other tournament has players who qualify 6+ months before the finals and may no longer be in good shape attending.

Also, not nearly enough slots for KR players. If all countries were equal in sc2 skill it would be fine but the competition is not tough enough compared to IPL5 or Iron Squid 2.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 22:54:33
November 15 2012 22:52 GMT
#51355
On November 16 2012 07:41 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 07:39 Angel_ wrote:
On November 16 2012 06:35 udgnim wrote:
WCS will become the anti-hype if Stephano and/or Scarlett don't go deep

can't expect that many exciting matches with most matchups being ZvZ, PvP, or PvZ

infestor whine will regain a massive amount of steam with Zergs playing to win and thus, very likely making many many infestors



WCS has the problem for me that if I made a group of the top 32 players in the world to compete for "World Champion" against eachother....there might be four names on the current list that overlap. It's still a tournament, but it has about the validity of an all-female tournament calling itself "world championship".


This is the product of holding the regionals and continentals months and months ago, the players that qualified in April/May of this year are in some cases no longer top players. Also Terrans got screwed in KR with the patch timing right before the WCS KR qualifiers.

Building up to a big tournament at the end of the year sounds good in theory but the scene moves too fast and top players change too often.

For example, from the players in the top 8 of the current GSL season only one of them is going to BWC.


Not really. The players that qualified in April/May weren't the top players in Korea at the time either. In fact, they never were top players. HerO, Rain, Parting, Creator? Okay, I can get that. Maybe I can pinch for stephano. The reality is that none of the na, even the europeans (minus maybe stephano) that are attending, deserve to be allowed in a tournament fighting for "world champion", and it takes away from the tournament. And it's unfortunate and I hope the gap closes remotely in the future and that the attendance is better in the next one because it's an awesome tournament. But, in the end, I see it as "a tournament that teams decided to send some players to", not "holy shit it's the best players in the world going head to head".
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
November 15 2012 22:52 GMT
#51356
any reason why nony isnt on the show? hes streaming atm
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 15 2012 22:53 GMT
#51357
Qxc has a very valid point here about zerg tier 3 air. Zerg can build tier 3 air IN MASS in about half the time than other races can build their tier 3 air. That is completely imbalanced. I never even thought of this. I hope blizzard takes a good look at this.
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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
November 15 2012 22:54 GMT
#51358
On November 16 2012 07:52 lim1017 wrote:
any reason why nony isnt on the show? hes streaming atm


because he's not part of sotg anymore?
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
November 15 2012 22:55 GMT
#51359
On November 16 2012 07:52 lim1017 wrote:
any reason why nony isnt on the show? hes streaming atm

v
On November 16 2012 06:02 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:40 Diglett wrote:
nony is streaming right now maybe he can be on sotg

unfortunately that's a reason why i cant be on sotg

Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 15 2012 22:55 GMT
#51360
Well, one point that is not being raised: Zerg needs tier three to win on the offensive. Terran and protoss do not.
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