|
On April 08 2012 06:41 ShinobiX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 04:39 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 04:29 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 03:24 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 03:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:
[quote][quote]
actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?. I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female. Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful. Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect). Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks. Lennoxito contradicts him. I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words. And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two... Yeah, SOTG thread. Tyler, I have always appreciated your nuanced and moderate views, but gender and sex were synonyms for hundreds of years and never stopped being synonyms in common language. And if the issue is about respect why not respect the views of people who are uncomfortable using gender pronouns they feel are not appropriate? I understand banning people who say things like *fixed* and change a post because clearly they are trolling, but I don't think people should be forced to use certain pronouns. Are you for real? I'm male, if people start referring to me as "Her", eventually I will be offended. If Scarlett wants to be referred to as female, then it's not a choice of taste which pronoun you use, you use the pronoun that is fucking appropriate to her gender. Technically, you are forced to use certain (fitting) pronouns by the rules of social life. And it does not matter one ounce what you want, what you think of the whole matter or if you even accept her choices in life. Of course, you might still make a stand. But don't be surprised if Scarlett doesn't invite you to her MLG Winner celebration party! Go Scarlett! :D Some people may disagree with you about what pronoun is appropriate for someone who is genetically a man. Why is it so important for you to force your views on them? People should just use whatever they think is appropriate and not "correct" those who see it differently. Conflict only arises when one side or the other insists that everyone conform to the same opinion. Wow, Tyler is right... this is trolling in its purest form. You know exactly what I'm talking about, as an intelligent being you must be aware why Scarlett wants to be referred to as a female person, you have no physical or psychological pain by obliging with her wishes, yet you continue to promote offending people like Scarlett by simply ignoring their life choices... Because it is your god given right of arrogance to do just that?  Do you really think if you're standing in front of Scarlett and refer to her as a male that she's going to accept your choice of words, because you feel you have the right to ignore him? Do you actually think that in this matter, your personal belief supercedes that one the person that is the concern of this discussion? Really? Who exactly is imposing what on whom here? You are acting against most social norms in western civilisations and you whine about having my opinion being imposed on you? Is this going to end in one of those pointless freedom of speech discussions? Lmao. Are you aware that Scarlett might read this shit?  My god, that would be funny. :D
No question, it is going to end in a "freedom of speech" discussion. Even the WHO acknowledges a difference in sex and gender. He is reserving his "right to insult" and he knows that.
|
On April 08 2012 08:48 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 06:41 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 04:39 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 04:29 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 03:24 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 03:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:
[quote]
actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?. I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female. Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful. Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect). Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks. Lennoxito contradicts him. I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words. And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two... Yeah, SOTG thread. Tyler, I have always appreciated your nuanced and moderate views, but gender and sex were synonyms for hundreds of years and never stopped being synonyms in common language. And if the issue is about respect why not respect the views of people who are uncomfortable using gender pronouns they feel are not appropriate? I understand banning people who say things like *fixed* and change a post because clearly they are trolling, but I don't think people should be forced to use certain pronouns. Are you for real? I'm male, if people start referring to me as "Her", eventually I will be offended. If Scarlett wants to be referred to as female, then it's not a choice of taste which pronoun you use, you use the pronoun that is fucking appropriate to her gender. Technically, you are forced to use certain (fitting) pronouns by the rules of social life. And it does not matter one ounce what you want, what you think of the whole matter or if you even accept her choices in life. Of course, you might still make a stand. But don't be surprised if Scarlett doesn't invite you to her MLG Winner celebration party! Go Scarlett! :D Some people may disagree with you about what pronoun is appropriate for someone who is genetically a man. Why is it so important for you to force your views on them? People should just use whatever they think is appropriate and not "correct" those who see it differently. Conflict only arises when one side or the other insists that everyone conform to the same opinion. Wow, Tyler is right... this is trolling in its purest form. You know exactly what I'm talking about, as an intelligent being you must be aware why Scarlett wants to be referred to as a female person, you have no physical or psychological pain by obliging with her wishes, yet you continue to promote offending people like Scarlett by simply ignoring their life choices... Because it is your god given right of arrogance to do just that? Do you really think if you're standing in front of Scarlett and refer to her as a male that she's going to accept your choice of words, because you feel you have the right to ignore him? Do you actually think that in this matter, your personal belief supercedes that one the person that is the concern of this discussion? Really? Who exactly is imposing what on whom here? You are acting against most social norms in western civilisations and you whine about having my opinion being imposed on you? Is this going to end in one of those pointless freedom of speech discussions? Lmao. Are you aware that Scarlett might read this shit? My god, that would be funny. :D No question, it is going to end in a "freedom of speech" discussion. Even the WHO acknowledges a difference in sex and gender. He is reserving his "right to insult" and he knows that.
Good thing Freedom of Speech does not exist on a privately run forum.
|
On April 08 2012 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 08:48 rotegirte wrote:On April 08 2012 06:41 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 04:39 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 04:29 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 03:24 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 03:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:
[quote]
sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?. I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female. Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful. Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect). Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks. Lennoxito contradicts him. I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words. And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two... Yeah, SOTG thread. Tyler, I have always appreciated your nuanced and moderate views, but gender and sex were synonyms for hundreds of years and never stopped being synonyms in common language. And if the issue is about respect why not respect the views of people who are uncomfortable using gender pronouns they feel are not appropriate? I understand banning people who say things like *fixed* and change a post because clearly they are trolling, but I don't think people should be forced to use certain pronouns. Are you for real? I'm male, if people start referring to me as "Her", eventually I will be offended. If Scarlett wants to be referred to as female, then it's not a choice of taste which pronoun you use, you use the pronoun that is fucking appropriate to her gender. Technically, you are forced to use certain (fitting) pronouns by the rules of social life. And it does not matter one ounce what you want, what you think of the whole matter or if you even accept her choices in life. Of course, you might still make a stand. But don't be surprised if Scarlett doesn't invite you to her MLG Winner celebration party! Go Scarlett! :D Some people may disagree with you about what pronoun is appropriate for someone who is genetically a man. Why is it so important for you to force your views on them? People should just use whatever they think is appropriate and not "correct" those who see it differently. Conflict only arises when one side or the other insists that everyone conform to the same opinion. Wow, Tyler is right... this is trolling in its purest form. You know exactly what I'm talking about, as an intelligent being you must be aware why Scarlett wants to be referred to as a female person, you have no physical or psychological pain by obliging with her wishes, yet you continue to promote offending people like Scarlett by simply ignoring their life choices... Because it is your god given right of arrogance to do just that? Do you really think if you're standing in front of Scarlett and refer to her as a male that she's going to accept your choice of words, because you feel you have the right to ignore him? Do you actually think that in this matter, your personal belief supercedes that one the person that is the concern of this discussion? Really? Who exactly is imposing what on whom here? You are acting against most social norms in western civilisations and you whine about having my opinion being imposed on you? Is this going to end in one of those pointless freedom of speech discussions? Lmao. Are you aware that Scarlett might read this shit? My god, that would be funny. :D No question, it is going to end in a "freedom of speech" discussion. Even the WHO acknowledges a difference in sex and gender. He is reserving his "right to insult" and he knows that. Good thing Freedom of Speech does not exist on a privately run forum.
and im not sure about germany, but in the US, hate speech is not protected under free speech
|
On April 08 2012 10:49 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 08 2012 08:48 rotegirte wrote:On April 08 2012 06:41 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 04:39 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 04:29 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 03:24 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 03:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?. I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female. Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful. Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect). Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks. Lennoxito contradicts him. I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words. And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two... Yeah, SOTG thread. Tyler, I have always appreciated your nuanced and moderate views, but gender and sex were synonyms for hundreds of years and never stopped being synonyms in common language. And if the issue is about respect why not respect the views of people who are uncomfortable using gender pronouns they feel are not appropriate? I understand banning people who say things like *fixed* and change a post because clearly they are trolling, but I don't think people should be forced to use certain pronouns. Are you for real? I'm male, if people start referring to me as "Her", eventually I will be offended. If Scarlett wants to be referred to as female, then it's not a choice of taste which pronoun you use, you use the pronoun that is fucking appropriate to her gender. Technically, you are forced to use certain (fitting) pronouns by the rules of social life. And it does not matter one ounce what you want, what you think of the whole matter or if you even accept her choices in life. Of course, you might still make a stand. But don't be surprised if Scarlett doesn't invite you to her MLG Winner celebration party! Go Scarlett! :D Some people may disagree with you about what pronoun is appropriate for someone who is genetically a man. Why is it so important for you to force your views on them? People should just use whatever they think is appropriate and not "correct" those who see it differently. Conflict only arises when one side or the other insists that everyone conform to the same opinion. Wow, Tyler is right... this is trolling in its purest form. You know exactly what I'm talking about, as an intelligent being you must be aware why Scarlett wants to be referred to as a female person, you have no physical or psychological pain by obliging with her wishes, yet you continue to promote offending people like Scarlett by simply ignoring their life choices... Because it is your god given right of arrogance to do just that? Do you really think if you're standing in front of Scarlett and refer to her as a male that she's going to accept your choice of words, because you feel you have the right to ignore him? Do you actually think that in this matter, your personal belief supercedes that one the person that is the concern of this discussion? Really? Who exactly is imposing what on whom here? You are acting against most social norms in western civilisations and you whine about having my opinion being imposed on you? Is this going to end in one of those pointless freedom of speech discussions? Lmao. Are you aware that Scarlett might read this shit? My god, that would be funny. :D No question, it is going to end in a "freedom of speech" discussion. Even the WHO acknowledges a difference in sex and gender. He is reserving his "right to insult" and he knows that. Good thing Freedom of Speech does not exist on a privately run forum. and im not sure about germany, but in the US, hate speech is not protected under free speech
No it isn't. Luckily, TL isn't the US, and they can do whatever they want.
|
United States7483 Posts
On April 08 2012 10:56 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 10:49 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 08 2012 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 08 2012 08:48 rotegirte wrote:On April 08 2012 06:41 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 04:39 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 04:29 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 03:24 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 03:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:
[quote]
Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?. I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female. Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful. Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect). Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks. Lennoxito contradicts him. I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words. And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two... Yeah, SOTG thread. Tyler, I have always appreciated your nuanced and moderate views, but gender and sex were synonyms for hundreds of years and never stopped being synonyms in common language. And if the issue is about respect why not respect the views of people who are uncomfortable using gender pronouns they feel are not appropriate? I understand banning people who say things like *fixed* and change a post because clearly they are trolling, but I don't think people should be forced to use certain pronouns. Are you for real? I'm male, if people start referring to me as "Her", eventually I will be offended. If Scarlett wants to be referred to as female, then it's not a choice of taste which pronoun you use, you use the pronoun that is fucking appropriate to her gender. Technically, you are forced to use certain (fitting) pronouns by the rules of social life. And it does not matter one ounce what you want, what you think of the whole matter or if you even accept her choices in life. Of course, you might still make a stand. But don't be surprised if Scarlett doesn't invite you to her MLG Winner celebration party! Go Scarlett! :D Some people may disagree with you about what pronoun is appropriate for someone who is genetically a man. Why is it so important for you to force your views on them? People should just use whatever they think is appropriate and not "correct" those who see it differently. Conflict only arises when one side or the other insists that everyone conform to the same opinion. Wow, Tyler is right... this is trolling in its purest form. You know exactly what I'm talking about, as an intelligent being you must be aware why Scarlett wants to be referred to as a female person, you have no physical or psychological pain by obliging with her wishes, yet you continue to promote offending people like Scarlett by simply ignoring their life choices... Because it is your god given right of arrogance to do just that? Do you really think if you're standing in front of Scarlett and refer to her as a male that she's going to accept your choice of words, because you feel you have the right to ignore him? Do you actually think that in this matter, your personal belief supercedes that one the person that is the concern of this discussion? Really? Who exactly is imposing what on whom here? You are acting against most social norms in western civilisations and you whine about having my opinion being imposed on you? Is this going to end in one of those pointless freedom of speech discussions? Lmao. Are you aware that Scarlett might read this shit? My god, that would be funny. :D No question, it is going to end in a "freedom of speech" discussion. Even the WHO acknowledges a difference in sex and gender. He is reserving his "right to insult" and he knows that. Good thing Freedom of Speech does not exist on a privately run forum. and im not sure about germany, but in the US, hate speech is not protected under free speech No it isn't. Luckily, TL isn't the US, and they can do whatever they want.
Luckily, TL doesn't generally protect hate speech.
|
On April 08 2012 11:28 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 10:56 corpuscle wrote:On April 08 2012 10:49 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 08 2012 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 08 2012 08:48 rotegirte wrote:On April 08 2012 06:41 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 04:39 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 04:29 ShinobiX wrote:On April 08 2012 03:24 Zaqwe wrote:On April 08 2012 03:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
[quote]
I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female.
Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful.
Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect).
Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks.
Lennoxito contradicts him.
I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words.
And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two...
Yeah, SOTG thread. Tyler, I have always appreciated your nuanced and moderate views, but gender and sex were synonyms for hundreds of years and never stopped being synonyms in common language. And if the issue is about respect why not respect the views of people who are uncomfortable using gender pronouns they feel are not appropriate? I understand banning people who say things like *fixed* and change a post because clearly they are trolling, but I don't think people should be forced to use certain pronouns. Are you for real? I'm male, if people start referring to me as "Her", eventually I will be offended. If Scarlett wants to be referred to as female, then it's not a choice of taste which pronoun you use, you use the pronoun that is fucking appropriate to her gender. Technically, you are forced to use certain (fitting) pronouns by the rules of social life. And it does not matter one ounce what you want, what you think of the whole matter or if you even accept her choices in life. Of course, you might still make a stand. But don't be surprised if Scarlett doesn't invite you to her MLG Winner celebration party! Go Scarlett! :D Some people may disagree with you about what pronoun is appropriate for someone who is genetically a man. Why is it so important for you to force your views on them? People should just use whatever they think is appropriate and not "correct" those who see it differently. Conflict only arises when one side or the other insists that everyone conform to the same opinion. Wow, Tyler is right... this is trolling in its purest form. You know exactly what I'm talking about, as an intelligent being you must be aware why Scarlett wants to be referred to as a female person, you have no physical or psychological pain by obliging with her wishes, yet you continue to promote offending people like Scarlett by simply ignoring their life choices... Because it is your god given right of arrogance to do just that? Do you really think if you're standing in front of Scarlett and refer to her as a male that she's going to accept your choice of words, because you feel you have the right to ignore him? Do you actually think that in this matter, your personal belief supercedes that one the person that is the concern of this discussion? Really? Who exactly is imposing what on whom here? You are acting against most social norms in western civilisations and you whine about having my opinion being imposed on you? Is this going to end in one of those pointless freedom of speech discussions? Lmao. Are you aware that Scarlett might read this shit? My god, that would be funny. :D No question, it is going to end in a "freedom of speech" discussion. Even the WHO acknowledges a difference in sex and gender. He is reserving his "right to insult" and he knows that. Good thing Freedom of Speech does not exist on a privately run forum. and im not sure about germany, but in the US, hate speech is not protected under free speech No it isn't. Luckily, TL isn't the US, and they can do whatever they want. Luckily, TL doesn't generally protect hate speech.
Nope, they don't, and that's why a ton of retards have gotten bans/warnings for saying stupid things about Scarlett.
|
Freedom of Speech? I can call someone a poo-poo face or over and over again if I want -- I'm not breaking any laws. But being able to legally do something doesn't have any bearing on whether such behavior is or is not tolerated by a particular community.
|
Well SOTG just got there major topic for tomorrow at pax dont think I even need to say what it is
|
On April 08 2012 11:38 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Well SOTG just got there major topic for tomorrow at pax dont think I even need to say what it is
It's how good Khaldor looks in a suit, right?
|
Artosis photobomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i0gds.png)
|
On the game dropping during the finals -- We don't even need LAN. Shared-replays with a play-game-from-here button. Dropped game? Just pick up where you left off. I hope we can all let Blizzard know how useful such a feature would be.
|
On April 08 2012 11:44 JackDT wrote:
On the game dropping during the finals -- We don't even need LAN. Shared-replays with a play-game-from-here button. Dropped game? Just pick up where you left off. I hope we can all let Blizzard know how useful such a feature would be.
Yeah, as far as I understand, LoL has a pause function where if some players D/C the ones that are still in can just pause and let them rejoin
edit: to clarify, what's stopping Blizzard from coding something in where a referee or the other player can just pause the game while the other player's dropping so that they don't auto-DC once they reconnect?
|
On April 08 2012 11:47 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 11:44 JackDT wrote:
On the game dropping during the finals -- We don't even need LAN. Shared-replays with a play-game-from-here button. Dropped game? Just pick up where you left off. I hope we can all let Blizzard know how useful such a feature would be. Yeah, as far as I understand, LoL has a pause function where if some players D/C the ones that are still in can just pause and let them rejoin edit: to clarify, what's stopping Blizzard from coding something in where a referee or the other player can just pause the game while the other player's dropping so that they don't auto-DC once they reconnect?
They built the game in a way where you can't retrieve games that are already in progress. Bnet/Lobby is a map itself. When people join together in a lobby and launch a game, a new map is created with the players and lobby options as its parameters.
No system is in place to retrieve a game in progress or even a past game. Unless they pulled a major overhaul, there's no easy way for them to (1) find a game in progress, (2) pass a player to that game, and (3) have the map handle a player rejoining.
HoN, LoL, and DotA were all designed with these features in mind from the ground up.
|
Blizzard ALREADY built a system that saves the state of the game perfectly with the replays. LoL doesn't have that. So it would probably be easier to just have the server load up the replay and resume the game.
It doesn't have to work on ladder since it's for tournaments (and for practice or fun).
But whatever works, really.
|
On April 08 2012 11:40 Chriscras wrote:Artosis photobomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!! + Show Spoiler +
InControl - snubbed in PAX East promos, snubbed for PAX East photos.
|
On April 08 2012 12:01 JackDT wrote:
Blizzard ALREADY built a system that saves the state of the game perfectly with the replays. LoL doesn't have that. So it would probably be easier to just have the server load up the replay and resume the game.
It doesn't have to work on ladder since it's for tournaments (and for practice or fun).
But whatever works, really.
The server isn't even set up to handle replays. Your game client is. There's a reason group replay viewing isn't a reality yet. Making the magic happen isn't as easy as you might think it is.
|
On April 08 2012 12:29 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:01 JackDT wrote:
Blizzard ALREADY built a system that saves the state of the game perfectly with the replays. LoL doesn't have that. So it would probably be easier to just have the server load up the replay and resume the game.
It doesn't have to work on ladder since it's for tournaments (and for practice or fun).
But whatever works, really. The server isn't even set up to handle replays. Your game client is. There's a reason group replay viewing isn't a reality yet. Making the magic happen isn't as easy as you might think it is.
Yet there are other companies having the foresight to implement a proper modular, extendable and interface-able infrastructure in the first place. Yes, the cost to re-write b.net will prevent things from changing to the better ever again, especially given their plans for upcoming WoW and Diablo 3. It's a sad direction, really.
|
so sotg is tomorrow morning right? i think i remember somethig about 10:30 but i have no idea what time zone or if and where it'll be streamed
|
On April 08 2012 12:29 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 12:01 JackDT wrote:
Blizzard ALREADY built a system that saves the state of the game perfectly with the replays. LoL doesn't have that. So it would probably be easier to just have the server load up the replay and resume the game.
It doesn't have to work on ladder since it's for tournaments (and for practice or fun).
But whatever works, really. The server isn't even set up to handle replays. Your game client is. There's a reason group replay viewing isn't a reality yet. Making the magic happen isn't as easy as you might think it is.
I realize that, but as a feature request, it's certainly more 'doable' than LAN, or giving tournaments their own Battle.Net servers, or any number of other requests. Especially since they keep saying that shared replays is already on the list of stuff they plan to implement. Shared replays were in Brood War, btw.
I don't think they realize they could hit so many birds with that single feature though. It addresses internet drops, battle.net downtime, computer crashing, most of the issues around the lack of LAN... AND it makes it much easier to cast games over the internet with multiple casters, AND it is a great way to practice, and not last -- super fun! Download a famous match and play out the decisive battle with your friend?
|
On April 08 2012 10:49 jmbthirteen wrote:
and im not sure about germany, but in the US, hate speech is not protected under free speech
"Hate speech" is protected, actually. You'd be much more likely to face legal troubles in Germany than the US. TL can still ban for it, though.
On topic: SOTG live from PAX?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
