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Official Post
Last night was a flurry of activity on the National ESL’s third Intel Extreme Master’s Regular Season Cup for SC2. As many in the community have seen there was an issue with our #1 seed IdrA. There has been a lot of confusion on said issues, let’s clear it up. There were two situations last night.
Last night was a flurry of activity on the National ESL’s third Intel Extreme Master’s Regular Season Cup for SC2. As many in the community have seen there was an issue with our #1 seed IdrA. There has been a lot of confusion on said issues, let’s clear it up. There were two situations last night.
Match Issues
The first situation was between Jobless and StrifeCro in the 5th round. StrifeCro submitted a win over Jobless because he thought Jobless didn’t show for his match. Jobless submitted a ticket to National ESL about the forfeit win, but in the meantime StrifeCro played both Bubba and IdrA in the following matches. Our admin team looked over the issue and determined because Jobless had screenshots and documentation proving he had tried to contact StrifeCro that his ticket should be approved and the match was overturned.
As everyone was aware IdrA had since left believing he had already qualified for his Semi-Final match and a top four spot. With the StrifeCro versus Jobless match overturned, Jobless played Bubba and lost leaving Bubba to face IdrA in the Quarterfinals. IdrA will be attending Gamescom and will be leaving today (Korea Time). He obviously never intended to play tonight’s Semi-Finals and Finals. This was a point of confusion for some as it was seen that we had forfeited him from the event.
Tonight we will allow Bubba to play instead of IdrA, assuming he can’t show because of travel. Bubba who had already lost to StrifeCro, before the overturned match, won’t be eligible for the Top 4 finish, but will still be allowed to compete for the $100 prize. Bubba, StrifeCro and Jobless can still enter in next week’s Intel Extreme Master’s Cup #4 .
Here are the qualified players from last night’s Cup for the Group Stage of National ESL’s American Championship:
ajtls
TT1
MurDeR
IdrA
ajtls vs Bubba
TT1 vs MurDeR
The above matches will take place tonight at 8pm EST. The winner of the final four players will receive $100.
IdrA situation
The second issue regarded IdrA, specifically. IdrA was informed for his second match that he would be casted on the stream made available to fans. Many have made a point that it’s silly to “force casting” but again even with replays fans should be allowed to watch any match. IdrA has chosen to take part in a tournament intended for American players from Korea. As a citizen of the USA this is his right, but he also must deal with the latency issues involved with this decision and the rules that allow casters and admins to spectate matches. The rules specifically state a player must allow admins and casters to spectate a match if requested and those rules were available before IdrA entered the Cup. Here’s official from the rulebook for Intel Extreme Masters:
3.6.3 Player Responsibility
Players cannot refuse to have their matches broadcast, nor can they choose in what manner the match itself will be broadcast. The player agrees to make sufficient accommodation so that broadcasting of matches can take place.
IdrA chose to play his match without a caster in the second round and the third round even after he was informed by an admin in both situations that a caster would be there and should be allowed to observe and cast the game. For this he received 2 penalty points. IdrA then received an additional PP for his verbal abuse of both admins and fellow players. IdrA has been previously warned for his behavior in the tournament including his verbal harassment in earlier cups. These points alone would not get him banned from National ESL and because his reason for missing the semi final is that he is attending Gamescom, which is also an Intel Extreme Masters event, he will not receive additional penalty points for his no-show in tonight’s event.
UPDATE: Just wanted to add the current Qualified Player List and remind everyone the Group Stage will be September 4th-5th:
<blockquote>Silver
HuK
qxc
ThisJimmy
drewbie
Fenix
KiWiKaKi
Artosis
IdrA
TT1
MurDeR
ajtls</blockquote>
Last chance to qualify for the remaining four spots is this coming Sunday here.
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penalty points can get you banned from events? other than that, good decision there, well done
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http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/rules
In addition to penalty points, players and teams may be barred (also known as frozen, locked and barraged) if they have accumulated a certain amount of penalty points:
# After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage
# After obtaining 9 penalty points: 2 weeks barrage
# After obtaining 10 penalty points: 1 month barrage
As a rule, the penalty points are deleted after a certain period of time. There are different clearance periods depending on the amount of points:
# 1-2 penalty points: 2 months
# 3-6 penalty points: 3 months
# 7 penalty points: 6 months
# 12 penalty points: 2 years (see cheating)
Insults result in the following penalties:
# Written warning for the first offence
# 1 Penalty point + 1 week barrage for the second offence, or first serious offence
# 2 Penalty points + 2 weeks barrage for the third offence, or second serious offence
# 3 Penalty points + 3 weeks barrage for subsequent offences
The admins reserve the right to give additional penalties.
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What an embarrassment. There should be 0 tolerance for berating players and staff.
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On August 17 2010 04:18 midway wrote:
IdrA chose to play his match without a caster in the second round and the third round even after he was informed by an admin in both situations that a caster would be there and should be allowed to observe and cast the game. For this he received 2 penalty points. IdrA then received an additional PP for his verbal abuse of both admins and fellow players. IdrA has been previously warned for his behavior in the tournament including his verbal harassment in earlier cups.
Never change, Idra 
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At least you cleared it up in the end. Almost thought it would just be left and no official statement would be made.
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Well, after all the missteps on ESLs part, its good to see they finally manned up and awarded the proper amount of penalty points, resulting in the unbanning of IdrA. Hopefully the rest of the season has less drama and plenty of exciting starcraft.
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Awesome... just get another pp during national esl and you get that week off.
i would have liked to see what he said to the admin. Partly just for entertainment.
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Wait, so..
Didn't they say they had banned him? You aren't going to even mention that?
This was a point of confusion for some as it was seen that we had forfeited him from the event.
No, it wasn't "seen" that way, it's explicitly what was said.
On August 16 2010 14:54 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 14:52 revoN wrote:
Very unprofessional of the ESL. This will hurt you more than it'll hurt IdrA in the long run. It was unprofessional to give IdrA multiple warnings instead of following our own penalty procedure for the multiple times he's broken our rules, he should have about 10 PP by now instead of just 4. He doesn't want to follow our rules, he's no longer allowed in our cups.
On August 16 2010 15:02 Yotsuba wrote:
<G2Wolff> boohoo, i has a whole 1 week ban
<--| G2Wolff has left #teamliquid
Nice.
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.
He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him. Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/"After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage"
On August 16 2010 14:03 esl-beef wrote:ShadowDrgn: Strifeco never responded to Jobless' messages. By the time we saw it, it was after two rounds had been played. IdrA: If you don't want to play, that's fine. Your lack of respect towards casters, ESL staff, players, and sponsors makes you an insult to pro gamers. You said it best... I hope you enjoyed you stay at National ESL's IEM, you're done for the season.
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On August 17 2010 04:29 travis wrote:
No, it wasn't "seen" that way, it's explicitly what was said.
There was confusion among everyone involved, including some admins. IdrA's trip to Gamescom confused the situation further.
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Ahh good old idra.
Too bad he cant play in the semis/finals - bet it would be good games.
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People who didn't watch this unfold on stream are going to be so confused. The official statement is nice and all but it was a little deeper then this statement makes it seem. I just hope people who didn't watch it unfold just don't jump to a conclusion.
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Is there rules preventing the said caster (BigT) to go trolling the player(Idra) before asking to cast his games?
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I would like to hear Idra's version too
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On August 17 2010 04:31 midway wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 04:29 travis wrote:
No, it wasn't "seen" that way, it's explicitly what was said. There was confusion among everyone involved, including some admins. IdrA's trip to Gamescom confused the situation further.
If you fuck up, say that you fucked up. Man up. I edited my posts to show some quotes explicitly saying that they were banning Idra. There is no confusion about what was said.
I am glad you guys went back on the decision but don't try to cover up what happened with lies.
Hell, if an admin or 2 were idiots and messed up... just say that. Say what actually happened. Just don't try to lie to minimize it.
Seriously I love the ESL, I love anyone who contributes to e-sports. But Integrity... please
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On August 17 2010 04:25 Psiclone wrote:
What an embarrassment. There should be 0 tolerance for berating players and staff.
hey if I say your gay? does that make me a noob at starcraft? does that make my game lest enjoyable to watch? does that HAVE ANYTHING to do with starcraft and electronic sports?
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On August 17 2010 04:18 midway wrote:
IdrA situation
The second issue regarded IdrA, specifically. IdrA was informed for his second match that he would be casted on the stream made available to fans. Many have made a point that it’s silly to “force casting” but again even with replays fans should be allowed to watch any match. IdrA has chosen to take part in a tournament intended for American players from Korea. As a citizen of the USA this is his right, but he also must deal with the latency issues involved with this decision and the rules that allow casters and admins to spectate matches. The rules specifically state a player must allow admins and casters to spectate a match if requested and those rules were available before IdrA entered the Cup.
Regardless or not of the rule (which sucks, by the way), I think this is a bit over the top. Forcing IdrA to have spectators in game and cause latency is harmful to the players. It doesn't allow them to perform at peak levels. Not having a player play at his full potential is a bit dumb. It's against the very spirit of ESPORTS.
I assume the ESL people running the show are gamers. What if you were in IdrA's shoes? Do you really think it's fair for a top tier player (mind you, the only westerner on a Korean progaming team) to be put at a disadvantage because you just want more hits for your website?
Please, find another set of players to cast. Let progamers play at their full potential.
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I don't understand how anybody can blame the ESL, I'd like to see you in this spot.
I blame the caster.
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Heh, this is some damage control from the organizers. Your casters are shit, and only added fuel to this fire. This whole thing happened because of your own unprofessional attitudes.
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