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On August 07 2010 10:31 Konsume wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 10:15 kajeus wrote:On August 07 2010 10:10 Konsume wrote:
I'm just going to say this:
IdrA --> Thinks about switching to Terran, plays 1/3 of his time on his Terran account and clearly stated that zergs are not worth shit anymore
Dimaga --> Did some all ins every game since he knows he barely stand a chance vs them.
MoMaN --> Switched to Terran... straight pipe... he learned them in a couple days and now wins alot with them.
Artosis --> Eventho he will mostly repete everything that is said by IdrA.... he's still saying that zerg needs something
SLush --> Says that Terran is too strong economicaly and also says that tanks and thors are a pain to deal with. Also he said that zerg has no early harass and that it's hard to deal with all the crap that terran players can throw at thim.
Sheth --> I don't know his stances on the subject.. MoMaN switched to terran? Could you link a news item for that, please? I was watching his stream like two days ago, and he was still zerg. News? why news... he played all the last tournament as terran here is a replay: http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/show/id/70
Oh no... if he's actually switched away from zerg, I'm gonna be so sad. He was my zerg role model. D:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 10:15 kajeus wrote:
Did Dimaga actually say that he all-ins because he doesn't think he stands a chance versus toss, or are you just going off of what IdrA said? Do you need him to say it? He litteraly went ALL IN in each games. I mean... I wouldn't say that he was deseperate if he did some all ins 1-2 games... but basicaly all his ZvT was ALL INS!... says alot... I mean... if you can't see it well sorry bro you must be one hell of a detective.
You mean in the KotB, right? Because he went all-in against White-Ra, too... He made banelings every single game, against a protoss. So it wasn't just his ZvT that tournament. It was his ZvP as well.
Unless you're arguing that Z has no chance against Protoss either...?
Moreover, I seem to remember Dimaga going all-in versus Terran as far as back as March. Before tanks were even used. He invented the baneling bust.
Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 10:15 kajeus wrote:
Also, could you link some of SLush's comments on the subject? I don't need a comment made by SLush.. HE'S HANGING IN MY VENT! We talk alot on vent and he's giving me lots of tips and such. Why would I need to link something from him? Just come and talk with him how about that?
Dude, I'd love to talk to SLush. I was just looking for documented specifics, so that I could hear his complaints straight from the horse's mouth.
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On August 07 2010 10:13 Camila_br wrote:
I remember when boxer bunker rushed yellow like 5 times in a row on a finals, people started saying "tvz imba nerf naw!1".... then came julyzerg, savior, etc...
I remember when Terran was thought to be "weak" before Boxer.
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On August 07 2010 10:39 kajeus wrote:
You mean in the KotB, right? Because he went all-in against White-Ra, too... He made banelings every single game, against a protoss. So it wasn't just his ZvT that tournament. It was his ZvP as well.
Unless you're arguing that Z has no chance against Protoss either...?
Moreover, I seem to remember Dimaga going all-in versus Terran as far as back as March. Before tanks were even used. He invented the baneling bust.
Not only in the KOTBH, look at all his latest games vs terrans. He's all in vs most of them... I'd say 95% of them.
On August 07 2010 10:39 kajeus wrote:
Dude, I'd love to talk to SLush. I was just looking for documented specifics, so that I could hear his complaints straight from the horse's mouth.
Don't worry we talk alot about it lately cause it's an hot subject in our vent. Fredz keeps saying it's balanced cause he's getting owned by SLush and SLush is just saying that it's not THAT bad just that the early and mid game is stupid for zergs.
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On August 06 2010 14:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
ok, so you are a terran and happy about what s going on, great. And you made a thread about it, pathetic.
btw an admin should ban him for making useless flamebaith topic, seriously there s no use of this topic beside fueling more rage. And it's not funny, if that is what it was meant to be...
I have to agree with this guy. It's not even that funny and OP, you should consider that maybe TvZ IS imbalanced and zergs actually have something to complain about with good reason. making a thread like this is arrogant and obnoxious, especially because you can't prove that TvZ is balanced.
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dude... dude... it's guarAnteed
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On August 07 2010 10:58 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 14:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
ok, so you are a terran and happy about what s going on, great. And you made a thread about it, pathetic.
btw an admin should ban him for making useless flamebaith topic, seriously there s no use of this topic beside fueling more rage. And it's not funny, if that is what it was meant to be... I have to agree with this guy. It's not even that funny and OP, you should consider that maybe TvZ IS imbalanced and zergs actually have something to complain about with good reason. making a thread like this is arrogant and obnoxious, especially because you can't prove that TvZ is balanced.
Honestly, there seems to be more evidence that zerg is not underpowered than there is evidence that it is underpowered.
I'm still looking for a scrap of statistical evidence that zerg is underpowered.
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On August 07 2010 10:58 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 14:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
ok, so you are a terran and happy about what s going on, great. And you made a thread about it, pathetic.
btw an admin should ban him for making useless flamebaith topic, seriously there s no use of this topic beside fueling more rage. And it's not funny, if that is what it was meant to be... I have to agree with this guy. It's not even that funny and OP, you should consider that maybe TvZ IS imbalanced and zergs actually have something to complain about with good reason. making a thread like this is arrogant and obnoxious, especially because you can't prove that TvZ is balanced.
Where did the OP ever state that ZvT was imba or have points that said why ZvT wasn't imba or something like that? It looks like the OP just wanted to make fun of something that has been annoying in both SC2 and in this forum. And tbh, he's brought a bunch of smiles to a lot of people :D
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Hey take a look at this game
http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/show/id/224
IdrA vs Drewbie. Imo in this game IdrA litteraly outplayed drewbie BY ALOT.... and still... he managed to make the game last 40ish minutes and at some point I taught that drewbie might win.
I really don't agree with the BM IdrA is pulling. But I totaly agree with him tho 
message log:
Drewbie: Fake Idra
IdrA: Ya
Drewbie: Or maybe not
Drewbie: why aren't you on asia ;p
IdrA: Too early here
IdrA: Good players are asleep
Drewbie: Oh
Drewbie: So you come here to enjoy the lastest cheese
IdrA: Asias gayer than us right now actualy
IdrA: ZvT at least
Drewbie: haha
Drewbie: I guess korean T's better
IdrA: No, they are horrible
IdrA: Just cheesy as fuck
IdrA: Buncha fkin war3 players
Drewbie: WoW
IdrA: yay for terran
Drewbie: agreed
IdrA: This is such a joke
Drewbie: T_t
IdrA: You're actualy the worst player I've seen
IdrA: and it doesn't matter
Drewbie: thx
IdrA: Such fucking bullshit
Drewbie: I love terran
Drewbie: Awww cmon I wanted to use the 250mm canon
IdrA: go fuck yourself
Drewbie: Pewpew
Drewbie: I guess I don't raelly need to attack
IdrA: Do you actualy feel any satisfaction
IdrA: Playing this
Drewbie: It's fucking funny
Drewbie: I DON'T THINK IT'S BALANCED
Drewbie: lol
IdrA: Well no shit?
<Idra finaly sees and opening and takes it and might win the game>
IdrA: I want you to take a moment
IdrA: and reflect
IdrA: on how much a failure you are
Drewbie: LOL
IdrA: to play like this and still lose
Drewbie: Zerg imba
Drewbie: T_T
Drewbie: Well how would you have played it?
IdrA: I wouldn't play terran cause I have self respect (which is a lie since we know he has a T account)
Drewbie: Well
Drewbie: I played T
Drewbie: back when it was the worst race
Drewbie: so ;(
IdrA: It was never worst, terran players were just bad
IdrA: that it seemed bad
Drewbie: lies
Drewbie: ok GG
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It was fun!
But TvZ IS imbalanced
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I don't get ppl telling terran to play something else i have played terran since beta and was way harder but we didn't change to other races cause real man play Terran baby
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Nom nom nom Zurg tears, great guide! )
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why are people so mad at this thread? y'all need to lighten up
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Idra has a storng tendency to go for the player and not the game. If I feel at a lose, like I've done a good number of times against T, I will usually just say gg. If I am a tad more frustrated, I will leave without gg. If I am really f'in frustrated and on a losing streak, I will leave with a "TvZ is such a joke" or whatever. And it may not always be warranted, but you know... sometimes you can get too passionate about a game like this 
BUT! Even if Idra didn't tackle it as well as he could've, I strongly agree with him in the sense that he played that match very well, and a lot better than his opponent imo. His macro was close to perfect (yes fanboy) I really think it showcases some of the problems - just not really how f'in obnoxious it is to deal with the Terran harrass possibilities at the start of the game. Z always feels like you're forced into all sorts of weird shit
When I play toss, I will be able to take control over the match in another way which is pretty awesome. I must admit I consider switching even if Z is my favorite race and I've played Z all through BW too
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I think this is hilarious. Then again, I play protoss.
Well written, OP 
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The main thing that irritates me as a Terran player is that no matter how I beat a zerg player now, even if the player is utter garbage and only knows how to six pool it's instantly "Oh, terran is imba. IMBA IMBA IMBA."
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Lol can't you comprehend that if more than half the zerg players in this game complain of imbalance i nthis matchup cant then you consider there just might be a problem.
No joke a zerg player has to be alot better than the terran opponent to win. Our units are situational while your sitting back in your walled off base we need to react to whatever your doing.
We dont have a build with such stopping power and versatility as terran. I cant make a build and KNOW it will be effective in this matchup. The whole matchup seems to me a game of stalling till ultras come out and hope theres not a healthy amount of maraudors on the feild.
You open with either viking, hellion and if your smart youll bring 6-8 marines with the 2 hellions and either destroy my nat or delay, kill a queen force me to build alot of speed lings.
maybe i could stop this if i luckily scout it while you dont need to scout you just need to know where i am.....
You pretty much have a unit that hard counters every single zerg unit and i meen hard.
One moment of miss control and your army is gone.
Scouting for you entails a scan or that lovely viking crusing around that might aswell make me run hydras all over.. if im lucky to not have gone hard roach. Poppin ovies
So yea i know all the bronze level terrans cock riding you in this thread will flame me but if you cant understand my logic.
Play zerg before you make this grand epic post bashing zerg.
Like i said if omost every zerg is complaining there must be a problem
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On August 07 2010 12:38 PlagueRat wrote:
Play zerg before you make this grand epic post bashing zerg.
Like i said if omost every zerg is complaining there must be a problem
Well if there is a problem it's really not a question of whether it exists or not it's about whether Blizzard will fix it or not. A lot of people had balance concerns with WC3 that Blizzard just ignored.
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On August 07 2010 12:44 Larshas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:38 PlagueRat wrote:
Play zerg before you make this grand epic post bashing zerg.
Like i said if omost every zerg is complaining there must be a problem Well if there is a problem it's really not a question of whether it exists or not it's about whether Blizzard will fix it or not. A lot of people had balance concerns with WC3 that Blizzard just ignored.
This game has been out for less than 2 weeks. Unless there is a critical problem, Blizzard is not going to balance patch a live game unless and until they:
1: Have verified to themselves that there is indeed a problem.
2: Have a solution to the problem.
3: Have verified to themselves that the proposed solution actually solves the problem.
4: Have verified to themselves that the proposed solution does not break the game somewhere else.
Oddly enough, this takes longer than 2 weeks.
It is good that Blizzard doesn't just slam down a balance patch. Even if you agree that Zerg have a real problem with Terrans, you don't want Blizzard to make things worse with a hasty patch.
If you feel you really are unable to enjoy the game in its current state, then put it on the shelf for a little while until Blizzard feels comfortable changing things.
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Lol, you must not have played a lot of WoW eh?
One tiny thing would be imba for pvp and they would change a class defining ability in some radical way that nobody thought was a good idea.
Still, I don't expect any major changes coming soon, but damn will I enjoy the day Zerg has some options other than "react to whatever he's doing".
Edit: also, roach nerf... totally well though out eh?
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Given perfect play, I think it's pretty much balanced. At the sub-perfect play, it seems much easier to do well with Terran than with Zerg. A Zerg player has to pull out all the stops to deal with anything the Terran player has, while Terran can build pretty much whatever he wants and do well.
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