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pandamanana
Profile Joined April 2010
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 21:24:22
April 24 2010 00:56 GMT
#1
[Updated]
This is obviously a work in progress, but I'd like to hear what you guys think about what I've got so far for my first Starcraft 2 melee map.
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The Raynor Raiders have recently come across the abandoned mining colony of Yosemite. Unfortunately, the desert moon is far from deserted. The Zerg have taken up refuge within the twisting mining tunnels and the Protoss have been tracking Raynor for sometime. The three armies clash over control of the mineral and vespene rich landscape.


I appreciate constructive criticism and would gladly accept suggestions.
master of wood, water and hill
SarcasticOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia213 Posts
April 24 2010 00:58 GMT
#2
looks like a damn near impossible to hold nat....
and will favour terran floating a CC over to high yield...
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 01:01:45
April 24 2010 00:59 GMT
#3
Mains are topleft/bottomright? How big is the map? It doesn't look big enough for the no ramp/choke concept to work, otherwise early zergling floods is all you're going to see in ZvX.

Edit: Oh, right. constructive criticisms. Uhm, if the map is as small as it looks like it is, you're going to want to add a ramp or some other kind of choke into the main. Even then, that's going to encourage a lot of players of all races to stay on 1 base for a really long time since the naturals are so open.
Bring back 2v2s!
Punk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States35 Posts
April 24 2010 01:00 GMT
#4
Needs chokes, my by the natural and the middle expos, there's no reason to go for those, you can be attacked from 3 sides.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
April 24 2010 01:02 GMT
#5
7pool incoming. Use chokes.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
pandamanana
Profile Joined April 2010
37 Posts
April 24 2010 01:03 GMT
#6
mmm I'm thinking of changing the secondary Xel'naga watch towers so that it gives the naturals a better choke to defend against. And about the favoring Terran, does giving them the ability to float over their CC automatically give them an advantage since the map is so open and hard to wall off?
master of wood, water and hill
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 24 2010 01:14 GMT
#7
On April 24 2010 10:03 pandamanana wrote:
mmm I'm thinking of changing the secondary Xel'naga watch towers so that it gives the naturals a better choke to defend against. And about the favoring Terran, does giving them the ability to float over their CC automatically give them an advantage since the map is so open and hard to wall off?


I don't think anybody sensible thinks this map favors terran. Not with the lack of chokes. If the map went into use as it is at the moment, there isn't a single Terran TvZ who will get the chance to get a second CC up to float.

Although, for hilarity if I was playing this map I might just load up my starting SCVs and float my first CC to the high-yield. :S
Bring back 2v2s!
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 01:14:54
April 24 2010 01:14 GMT
#8
edit nm im dumb
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 24 2010 01:25 GMT
#9
On April 24 2010 10:14 Kennigit wrote:
edit nm im dumb


Are not. <3
Bring back 2v2s!
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 01:26:56
April 24 2010 01:26 GMT
#10
the gold patch is sort of imba for terrans since they can easily float to it
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
pandamanana
Profile Joined April 2010
37 Posts
April 24 2010 01:31 GMT
#11
I'd like to investigate the idea that the high yield pushes the map in the Terran's favor. I understand the fact that Terran can just move their CC over there, but with such a small map, I doubt that gives them much of an advantage, since enemy units can get to their high yield just as quickly as their main base. Also, the high yields are a little bit farther away from their CC than their regular mineral patches, so any Terran who rushes to the high yield would have their economy suffer for it without the ability to saturate it quickly. Also, the ramp at the high yield is wider than the ramp at the main base, so it'll be harder to defend.
But besides that, I had the high yields in mind when I started this map. I really wanted them and the oil pipe to be the two (three >_<) main focuses for the map.
master of wood, water and hill
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 24 2010 01:36 GMT
#12
The only way they're terran favored is because Terran can get that expo up without breaking the rocks, making it easier to hide an expo, if such a thing is possible on a map with only 6-8 mineral patches. This shouldn't be a problem against a halfway-mapaware opponent. It's not Terran favored. Again, the biggest problem is the lack of chokes. It wouldn't be a problem if the rush distances were longer (And by longer, I mean HUGE), but as it is...
Bring back 2v2s!
pandamanana
Profile Joined April 2010
37 Posts
April 24 2010 03:02 GMT
#13
[Edited] I added a few more chokes, created more expos and added a ramp to the main base. Do these changes make the map less Zerg-favored?
master of wood, water and hill
skYfiVe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
April 24 2010 03:05 GMT
#14
hahaha, I like the fact that it resembles a wc3 map so hard.. :D
"1baseiwa"
PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
April 24 2010 03:08 GMT
#15
Where's El Cap?!?!?!?!
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
pandamanana
Profile Joined April 2010
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 03:13:57
April 24 2010 03:09 GMT
#16
Well I have been a Warcraft 3 map maker for 6 years... so I can't apologies for it subconsciously coming through

[edit] by the way, what makes it look like a Warcraft 3 map?
master of wood, water and hill
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
April 24 2010 03:13 GMT
#17
needs more expansions?
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
April 24 2010 03:17 GMT
#18
Only question I have is how long is the rush distance, in terms of time for lets say a Marine to walk from one base to the other? Looks good so far otherwise.
i-bonjwa
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
April 24 2010 03:19 GMT
#19
Ugh whats with all that space behind the mains should fix that I think, either move the mains back or change the layout
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
April 24 2010 03:19 GMT
#20
looks interesting
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