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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7030 Posts
July 01 2024 09:58 GMT
#2701
Bellingham bringing the Real Madrid genes to England. They have no business of still beeing in the run, yet they are. So annoying
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 01 2024 10:06 GMT
#2702
On July 01 2024 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
Bellingham bringing the Real Madrid genes to England. They have no business of still beeing in the run, yet they are. So annoying

Finally you can feel my pain (and ultimate humiliation) by saying this about Real in my predictions for about 3 years here
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10269 Posts
July 01 2024 14:42 GMT
#2703
On July 01 2024 16:48 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2024 16:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
obviously managers have to take a lot of blame because they pick the teams, but my comment was more directed at the english fans in general. i think a large part of why english nt managers struggle with selection is because of the amount of pressure theyre under to play certain players because of the fans/media. i guess its fair to say that every manager with every national team feels this pressure, but it just seems to me that with england its worse.
if southgate had bigger balls and didnt worry about any media backlash he would have done things a bit differently. him excluding rashford wasnt bravery, it was possible because even united fans had already turned on him and southgate would actually be crucified for taking him. rashford doesnt deserve to be there, but funnily enough i think england needs rashford in the squad right now. regardless of his league performance, his experience and the tournament atmosphere would have made him a better pick than gordon.
if rashford had gone you dont have to worry about whether you keep kane up front, because you have players running in behind, which kane needs. now that rashford isnt there, southgate should honestly consider dropping kane for toney/watkins but he wont. then you have the problem of bellingham/foden and even saka all wanting to occupy similar spaces and someone (or 2) needs to be dropped there too. unfortunately they are each the biggest stars in their respective clubs. imagine a world where media doesnt exist and theres no way all of these players are playing together.

Aye, although I think the issue is just not playing Gordon, but Rashford does have

Point taken, in a similar boat to Rashford I think you’ve got Grealish or Sterling who’ve served England well but had underwhelming seasons.

Grealish gives you a winger/10 who cuts in from the left in a squad where you have about 4 who do that from the left. And Sterling you have a nippy player who is right footed but plays on the right.

Not advocating for them necessarily but they do bring something a bit different. However I guess having options who can shake up the forward line’s thrust is kinda pointless if you’ve got a coach who’s so reticent to make in-game changes.

England and Southgate personally massively got out of jail there, they didn’t change the game from the bench, they left it too late. Again! Perhaps I’ve been too forgiving in the past, but this time around it’s criminal. I remember many an England squad where there’d be quite the drop-off in quality if a player was injured or just knackered and had to come off. Whereas now you’ve got quality options with different characteristics you can use.

If Foden’s having a rough day at the office you’ve got Cole Palmer for goodness sake.


I can see the argument in dropping Kane, but he’s kinda been so integral for England (and is just in general a class above) that how can you drop him now? He’s basically been the man for so long, has come through time and time again on the big stage, and his understudies haven’t got much of a look in, and when they have they haven’t looked electric.

I think a trick was missed to give them more time over the last while to acclimate them. Now, with England starting this campaign so badly too you’ve even less chance to give them that exposure. If England had guaranteed group winner’s earlier you can at least give them an outing. Aside from team cohesion, which I suspect is a big likely issue it’s a huge ask for those lads to hit the ground running on such a stage, with both that lack of game time as well as familiarity with this kind of often-crushing pressure


This part is what also doesn't make sense to me. You have a very deep bench where you don't lose much quality and can use good players off the bench to destroy tired legs. Instead he tries to cram all of them into the game all at once and it just doesn't make any sense.
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2601 Posts
July 01 2024 17:52 GMT
#2704
Belgium out, today they played better than in the group phase but still deserved to be out.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 01 2024 18:00 GMT
#2705
Wasting KdB for 60 minutes as a 6. I have no clue what the idea was there...
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
July 01 2024 18:02 GMT
#2706
Yeah Tedesco just continues to make shit decisions.

Think he has coached 19 games and selected 19 different line-ups. Overthinks everything and never plays to win despite our attacking talent.

Terrible tournament and glad it’s over tbh.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18563 Posts
July 01 2024 18:04 GMT
#2707
Tedesco had proven to be a bad coach at leipzig... And schalke before that
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 01 2024 18:05 GMT
#2708
On July 02 2024 03:00 mahrgell wrote:
Wasting KdB for 60 minutes as a 6. I have no clue what the idea was there...

Belgium really need 2 KDBs, one to play like Pirlo and another up the pitch haha. Seems an odd one but maybe Tedesco wanted to play him a bit deeper and spraying it around rather than have him swamped by France’s midfield?

I missed this one but KDB was so much better than his Belgian teammates in most of the games I did see it was ridiculous.

Heard France were a bit meh but more than good enough today, that sound about right to you folk?
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18563 Posts
July 01 2024 18:09 GMT
#2709
Yep super boring football
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
July 01 2024 18:11 GMT
#2710
France wasn’t great, but better than Belgium, all pundits agree. Last time they showed it during the game, France was on 17 chances and Belgium on 3..
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2925 Posts
July 01 2024 18:26 GMT
#2711
I thought both did quite alright. Solid play overall with both sides not wanting to take too many risks. Perhaps a little boring but the quality of the game was fine and the score being 0 - 0 for the longest time kept it interesting enough. Belgium often allowed France to build up to try and get quick counters, but it seemed the French midfield was too strong overall. Probably could've tried playing into their own strengths a bit more. Lukaku was mainly invisible but I suppose that's Lukaku. He either scores or you end up forgetting he's on the pitch.
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18563 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-01 18:38:06
July 01 2024 18:37 GMT
#2712
Can we talk about Kante the machine? Him and ronaldo prove that hard work can still keep yourself at a top level. Us Europeans always believe you can only be good in Europe
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 01 2024 18:54 GMT
#2713
So what's the over/under for the number of pitch invaders trying to get a selfie with Ronaldo today?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 01 2024 19:02 GMT
#2714
On July 02 2024 03:04 sharkie wrote:
Tedesco had proven to be a bad coach at leipzig... And schalke before that

Bad as in Tommy Tuchel bad or as in actually bad?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18187 Posts
July 01 2024 19:11 GMT
#2715
On July 02 2024 03:37 sharkie wrote:
Can we talk about Kante the machine? Him and ronaldo prove that hard work can still keep yourself at a top level. Us Europeans always believe you can only be good in Europe

Are you watching the same match I am? Ronaldo is a diva.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2601 Posts
July 01 2024 19:37 GMT
#2716
On July 02 2024 03:54 mahrgell wrote:
So what's the over/under for the number of pitch invaders trying to get a selfie with Ronaldo today?


At least 4 guys I would bet.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-01 19:40:20
July 01 2024 19:38 GMT
#2717
To me, it feels like Ronaldo completely lost the aerial dominance he had.

Younger Ronaldo was always jumping a head higher, and when the cross came even close to him, you could expect a perfectly placed header with some significant force behind it.

And now he is missing headers left and right, and the ones he connects with look more like random bounces.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 01 2024 19:41 GMT
#2718
On July 02 2024 04:11 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2024 03:37 sharkie wrote:
Can we talk about Kante the machine? Him and ronaldo prove that hard work can still keep yourself at a top level. Us Europeans always believe you can only be good in Europe

Are you watching the same match I am? Ronaldo is a diva.

He undoubtedly is but he’s quietly having a decent Euros, lovely little flick to Leao just there.

Who else is there in the Saudi league, Laporte? I think some of that contingent are looking decent partly because they’re not absolutely gassed after a European club season, partly because they’re very good players who are tried and tested at the highest level and haven’t just forgotten how to play football in a year or two

Who else is out there that’s played here, Malinkovic-Savic for Serbia is a name that springs to mind but I can’t recall others
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18187 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-01 19:47:05
July 01 2024 19:45 GMT
#2719
On July 02 2024 04:38 mahrgell wrote:
To me, it feels like Ronaldo completely lost the aerial dominance he had.

He's also just as selfish as he was in his prime, but without the ability to convert every half-chance he gets into a goal. Normally I'd say age doesn't remove players' magic touch. I saw Maradonna play in some weird friendly when he was over 50 and probably only barely weaned off his drug addiction. He was obese and ridiculous, but he got the ball somewhere a bit outside the box with a lot of time and space and curled it beautifully into the goal. Meanwhile Ronaldo took that free kick like an ass. Should clearly have let someone do an indirect kick, but his ego won't let him.

E: the flick to Leao was very nice.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-01 19:50:04
July 01 2024 19:49 GMT
#2720
On July 02 2024 04:41 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2024 04:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 02 2024 03:37 sharkie wrote:
Can we talk about Kante the machine? Him and ronaldo prove that hard work can still keep yourself at a top level. Us Europeans always believe you can only be good in Europe

Are you watching the same match I am? Ronaldo is a diva.

He undoubtedly is but he’s quietly having a decent Euros, lovely little flick to Leao just there.

Who else is there in the Saudi league, Laporte? I think some of that contingent are looking decent partly because they’re not absolutely gassed after a European club season, partly because they’re very good players who are tried and tested at the highest level and haven’t just forgotten how to play football in a year or two

Who else is out there that’s played here, Malinkovic-Savic for Serbia is a name that springs to mind but I can’t recall others


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Scotland - Jack Hendry
Spain - Laporte, Aymeric
Croatia - Brozovic, Marcelo
Serbia - Mitrovic, Aleksandar
Serbia - Milinkovic-Savic, Sergej
Netherlands - Wijnaldum, Georginio
France - Kante, Ngolo
Romania - Burca, Andrei
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Turkey - Demiral, Merih
Georgia - Kvirkvelia, Solomon
Portugal - Ronaldo, Cristiano
Portugal - Neves, Ruben
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