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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4289 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 12:05:57
September 07 2022 12:04 GMT
#501
On September 07 2022 20:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well... that isn't good.



Quick call bielsa so that he can have another meltdown

Edit: not relates but bielsa in chelsea would be a good match in my head
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4400 Posts
September 07 2022 12:12 GMT
#502
Alright so as far as I can tell, this is the Tuchel timeline at Chelsea. I have highlighted everything destabilising or unlucky that was out of his hands in red. Dude has had a lot to deal with.

- 26th January 21: Inherits a team in 9th with an extraordinarily leaky defence and 2 games extra played than teams around them in the table. Instantly tightens things up and improves results.
- 18th April 21: Super League announcement. Chelsea are the first club to back out two days later.
- 23rd May 21: Chelsea finish in 4th, a huge improvement from when he took over.
- 29th May 21- Wins Champions league final against City.
- 23rd November 21: Ben Chilwell ACL rupture (season out).
- December 21 - At halfway point of league, has Chelsea neck and neck with City and Liverpool.
- Late December 21: Lukaku interview comes out of nowhere.
- 29th December 21: Reece James hamstring injury (2 months out).
3rd to 12th February 22: Club World Cup campaign results in victory. Participating causes a large fixture crunch for an already injury stretched squad.
- 26th February 2022: Abramovich attempts to hand over club stewardship to Chelsea foundation in response to expected sanctions due to Russian invasion of Ukraine two days prior.
- 27th February 22: Literally the day after, lose EFL Cup final on penalties to Liverpool
- 10th March 22: Sanctions announced due to Abramovich ownership. Club completely thrown into turmoil. Put up for sale, cannot sign new players, cannot negotiate new contracts with existing players, essentially hamstrung.
- 14th May 22: Lose FA Cup final on penalties to Liverpool.
- 22nd May 22: Despite all the sanctions, injuries and bad luck, Tuchel manages a third place finish.
- 30th May 22: New owners confirmed. Chairman Bruce Buck, Sporting Director Marina Granovskaia and Technical/Performance head Petr Cech all leave their roles.
- May to July 22: Key defenders Rudiger and Christensen leave after running their contracts down. Lukaku leaves.
- 14th August 22: Sent off after draw with Spurs and talks shit about the referee's decisions.
- 7th September 22: Tuchel sacked after losing an away Champions League game against a tricky opponent.

I would be pretty pissed off if I was him. He's done an extraordinary job considering the circumstances. Two cups finals lost on penalties, a Champions League and a Club World Cup title, consistent league position despite large obstacles.


Sucker for nostalgia
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
September 07 2022 12:36 GMT
#503
--- Nuked ---
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 14:46:24
September 07 2022 12:44 GMT
#504
I agree with everything cept zagreb being tricky, they're a should beat both legs team for any pl side .still a mind boggling sack though, you don't fire a manager with consistently good/ great results for 1.5 seasons because of 7 mediocre games.
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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2045 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 13:35:26
September 07 2022 13:35 GMT
#505
Tuchel demands a lot from people around him and I can see him being reclutant to adjusting to whatever ideas the new owners brought in with them. In that sense this isn't a big surprise. However, I don't think you back manager with €280m of transfers only to sack him when things don't click right away at the start of the season.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 14:20:47
September 07 2022 14:14 GMT
#506
Tuchel seems to lack player management skills. All his tenure has been rather brief and abruptly cut short - Dortmund, PSG, and Chelsea.

Basically, he's like Mourinho but without the charisma to motivate players.

P.S. It does seem like he had his way in signing this season's players. Auba is surely his pick of the bunch. So I can't see the new owners being blamed for not being supportive.
gg no re thx
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8857 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 15:15:26
September 07 2022 15:13 GMT
#507
if the new chelsea ownership want to show fans that theyre not incompetent idiots like the glazers, i dont think sacking tuchel right now is the way to do it. spent hundreds of millions and was in discussions for a contract extension also, only to be sacked instead. wtf?
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 07 2022 15:49 GMT
#508
My suspicion is that his head has not been in the right place since the start of the season, which affected team morale. An example being him losing his cool in the game against Spurs.

We don't know what happens behind the scenes in the dressing room or on the training ground.

Or maybe he just has some personal tics that upsets the board of top teams.

Whatever the real reason, his short stints at PSG and Dortmund suggest that there's something about him that doesn't gel with the demands of top teams.
gg no re thx
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16325 Posts
September 07 2022 16:47 GMT
#509
On September 08 2022 00:49 RKC wrote:
My suspicion is that his head has not been in the right place since the start of the season, which affected team morale. An example being him losing his cool in the game against Spurs.

We don't know what happens behind the scenes in the dressing room or on the training ground.

Or maybe he just has some personal tics that upsets the board of top teams.

Whatever the real reason, his short stints at PSG and Dortmund suggest that there's something about him that doesn't gel with the demands of top teams.

I am not sure about this combination of Dortmund and top team being in the same sentence.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4400 Posts
September 07 2022 17:27 GMT
#510
On September 07 2022 21:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I agree with everything cept zagreb being tricky, they're a should beat both legs team for any pl side .still a mind boggling sack though, you don't fire a manager with consistently good/ great results for 1.5 seasons because of 7 mediocre games.

These guys cleaned up Spurs 3-0 at home in the Europa League knockouts last year. They are no pushovers at home
Sucker for nostalgia
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
September 07 2022 18:40 GMT
#511
On September 07 2022 23:14 RKC wrote:
Tuchel seems to lack player management skills. All his tenure has been rather brief and abruptly cut short - Dortmund, PSG, and Chelsea.

Basically, he's like Mourinho but without the charisma to motivate players.

P.S. It does seem like he had his way in signing this season's players. Auba is surely his pick of the bunch. So I can't see the new owners being blamed for not being supportive.

His spikiness tends to be in managing upwards and clashes with boards, directors of football and owners, and less so in his relationships with those beneath him in the chain.

I don’t think he necessarily ‘lost the dressing room’, although my pet theory is Chelsea have been lacklustre since his divorce and that bled through to his relations with players.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 07 2022 19:14 GMT
#512
Roman lives on in the spirit of the new owners! They want winners, fell out with Tuchel over a period of time in the summer and with the medicore start have booted him.

I personally think he should have been told today he is on thin ice and needs to turn it around or they would have no choice to relieve him of his duties, but to point blank fire him today is brutal, Roman brutal!

He like others have stated has guided us through a horrid time where it looked like the club could go under due to sanctions on Roman and the club being frozen, he deserved a bit of a longer run than normal.

On Potter getting the job (almost certain now, he is having a famous dinner date with Todd as we speak!) i am happy for him first and foremost, guy deserves a big pay day, also as an Englishman getting a top top job in football, this does not happy often, the last time a top 6 club was managed by an Englishman was Chelsea and Lampard, before that it was Spurs with Harry Redknapp, before that i dont think there was one? I hope it all works out from a fan point of view as that means we are winning and we all are happy, but secondly i dont want him to "ruin" his high stock he has right now, he has done great and deserves a top job and a good crack at it.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
September 07 2022 19:33 GMT
#513
Napoli dominating Liverpool.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 07 2022 19:48 GMT
#514
Todd suddenly thinking a 1-0 away defeat isnt too bad haha!

Scouse not turned up and Gomez looks awful at the back.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
September 07 2022 19:49 GMT
#515
Ya Gomez has been a disaster.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 08 2022 01:31 GMT
#516
On September 08 2022 03:40 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2022 23:14 RKC wrote:
Tuchel seems to lack player management skills. All his tenure has been rather brief and abruptly cut short - Dortmund, PSG, and Chelsea.

Basically, he's like Mourinho but without the charisma to motivate players.

P.S. It does seem like he had his way in signing this season's players. Auba is surely his pick of the bunch. So I can't see the new owners being blamed for not being supportive.

His spikiness tends to be in managing upwards and clashes with boards, directors of football and owners, and less so in his relationships with those beneath him in the chain.

I don’t think he necessarily ‘lost the dressing room’, although my pet theory is Chelsea have been lacklustre since his divorce and that bled through to his relations with players.


Yes, I was just wiki-ing him up and saw that bit about his divorce earlier this year (and end to a 12-13 year marriage). So that may explain his 'head not being in the right place'. And the wiki page does explain a fair bit about his clashes with management at PSG and Dortmund!

I'm sure the players deeply respect him, like a father figure. But he just doesn't invoke the same fire in them like Klopp or Mourinho.

Anyway, a pity to see him gone, because he's definitely added more spice to the EPL.
gg no re thx
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8857 Posts
September 08 2022 02:45 GMT
#517
yeah i also didnt realise when people said divorce they meant an actual divorce. i thought it was a reference to the split between chelsea and roman.
judging from news articles tuchel seems pretty happy with his new gf already though
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18635 Posts
September 08 2022 07:04 GMT
#518
Divorces with kids always affect you regardless of how "happy" you seem to be on the outside
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4400 Posts
September 08 2022 10:19 GMT
#519
Griezmann watch: Atletico v Porto
Subbed on at 61 minutes, scores winner
Sucker for nostalgia
Vinekh
Profile Joined September 2021
131 Posts
September 08 2022 11:46 GMT
#520
Griezmann's situation is weird to say the least.
"You will play less than 30 minutes for a while, so we don't have to buy you next summer." - is not the best motivational speech at the start of the season.
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