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redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
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Last Edited: 2020-01-01 19:18:42
January 01 2020 18:51 GMT
#2181
On January 02 2020 03:28 JimmiC wrote:
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On January 02 2020 03:01 redlightdistrict wrote:
Jack Del Rio will be Rivera's DC for the skins, that should make Trent Williams bat an eyebrow. Add Chase Young into the mix, and you have yourself a nasty defense. Wonder if Dan will let Rivera choose his GM now that Dorsey is gone.

Chicago committing to Mitchell Trubisky

Guess the Bears gave up on trading for Newton once Kyle Allen & Will Grier started playing like ass for Carolina.

Why would Jack Del Rio as DC make Trent Williams bat an eyebrow? Explain please.

Del Rio turned around the Carolina Panthers and Denver Broncos from being one of the worst d-lines in the league into being top-2 in the league. With Dan getting rid of Bruce Allen and Larry Hess, Rivera hiring Del Rio, keeping O’Connell as the OC, and continuing to optimize the coaching staff, Williams will be more inclined to play.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redskins-reportedly-part-ways-with-trainer-after-firing-bruce-allen-both-had-drawn-the-ire-of-trent-williams/
There's a culture change taking place in Redskins park. On Monday, the Washington Redskins announced that they had fired longtime general manager and team president Bruce Allen. Team owner Dan Snyder released a lengthy statement explaining the decision, but he reportedly wasn't done there.

According to JP Finlay of NBC Sports Washington, the Redskins also fired longtime head athletic trainer Larry Hess. Hess just finished his 18th season with the Redskins and his ninth as the head athletic trainer. He previously served as the Redskins' director of rehabilitation after joining the franchise as a physical therapist and assistant trainer. While this staff won the Ed Block Training Staff of the Year Award in 2018, the Redskins have famously had problems with injuries over the past few seasons. Running back Derrius Guice, for example, has played in just five games in two seasons, and has had to undergo multiple surgeries in order to fix one ailment.

The firings of Allen and Hess appear to be connected, as both had drawn the ire of disgruntled star left tackle Trent Williams, who sat out the entire 2019 season. As CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora reported this offseason, Williams told his teammates that he demanded a trade or his release from the team due to their handling of a recent medical situation, and had vowed not to play for them again.

Back in April, Ian Rapoport reported that Williams had a growth on his head, and doctors were worried that it was a malignant tumor. The situation at one time "appeared to be very serious," but the growth was removed without issue and Williams was said to be fine.

He clearly was not fine, however.

Finlay reported that Williams said the growth popped up roughly six years ago and that the team declared it was minor. It ended up being classified as a rare form of cancer -- Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans (DFSP). The fact that the Redskins' medical staff let this situation escalate led to his distrust of the team doctors.

Allen did not do anything to help soothe the situation, as he maintained throughout the year that he expected Williams to return to the fold at some point, although he admitted he had not kept an open dialogue with his best player.

While Williams had previously vowed not to play for the Redskins again, now that two of the people he reportedly had big issues with are gone, the seven-time Pro Bowler could change his tune. Quarterback Dwayne Haskins clearly thinks so, and reached out to Williams on Twitter following Washington's "Black Monday."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 01 2020 20:01 GMT
#2182
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-01 21:34:30
January 01 2020 21:34 GMT
#2183
big win for Minnesota. Scored the 2nd most points on Auburn this year

Saban coached circles around Harbaugh after halftime.

Hoping for a good Rose Bowl
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-01 21:40:52
January 01 2020 21:38 GMT
#2184
While I have some issues with the CF Rankings, especially at the top, I think it's harder to envision a better system. The inescapable problem, though, is that it is inherently a narrative driven process that sometimes forgoes pure evaluation. Unranked Texas' beheading of #11 Utah was a prime example of this. It wasn't an upset or anything. The teams just weren't ranked correctly.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-01 21:53:11
January 01 2020 21:49 GMT
#2185
Texas was just wildly inconsistent and at a certain point because theres so few data points in football you have to start ranking by record. Utah benefited from this by playing an extremely soft non-conference schedule and being in the weaker division of the PAC 12. They got beat by the 2 best teams on their schedule and beat no other teams with > 8 wins. But they won 11 games so they'll get ranked high by default for being in a major conference.

Texas on the other hand will play LSU and Oklahoma to the wire one week and then lose to bad TCU and mediocre ISU teams the next. They're clearly talented enough on their roster to be a top team but they were just all over the place this year so it's hard to justify keeping them ranked but they peaked at 9 themselves.

There's a clear divide atm imo where the Big 10/12/SEC are superior to the ACC/PAC12 on average outside of a couple of outliers. 8-4 teams in these conferences would probably be 10 win teams in the others, but with so few games a 10 win ACC team will still be ranked before an 8 win Big 10 team in a hypothetical scenario

If more conferences switch to the 9 game conference schedule too you're going to get even less data points to compare
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51582 Posts
January 02 2020 05:41 GMT
#2186
Here's a spicy stat: PJ Fleck at Minnesota achieved an 11 win season before Jim Harbaugh did at Michigan.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 02 2020 06:07 GMT
#2187
BIG 12 finishes with the worst bowl record among major conferences. 1-5 with only Texas winning
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
January 02 2020 13:05 GMT
#2188
On January 02 2020 14:41 GTR wrote:
Here's a spicy stat: PJ Fleck at Minnesota achieved an 11 win season before Jim Harbaugh did at Michigan.

Not all that spicy, Fleck is the better coach
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 02 2020 14:23 GMT
#2189
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-02 22:39:24
January 02 2020 22:38 GMT
#2190
Ravens looking to take the whole thing. Niners gonna choke.

Seattle are also contenders if they get their rhythm going.


Also Vikings gonna get completely smashed. MT gonna eviscerate our secondary. Only way I see us winning is in a huge shootout with another “Diggs” miracle play.
Skol
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14105 Posts
January 03 2020 07:00 GMT
#2191
Dan snyder would like to wish everyone a happy thanksgiving.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 03 2020 11:37 GMT
#2192
Wild Card Predictions

Texans > Bills

Titans > Patriots (Henry monster day)

Saints > Vikings

Seahawks > Eagles
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-03 15:34:24
January 03 2020 15:33 GMT
#2193
My predicts:

Bills 20 > Texans 17
Titans 24 < Patriots 26
Vikings 17 < Saints 32
Seahawks 24 > Eagles 19
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
January 03 2020 17:52 GMT
#2194
On January 01 2020 04:20 redlightdistrict wrote:
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On January 01 2020 02:58 Aveng3r wrote:
On December 31 2019 13:47 redlightdistrict wrote:
On December 31 2019 12:29 ShloobeR wrote:
Wait why would the Eagles fire Pederson?
And what makes Riverboat Ron better than Pederson? I like Rivera but he's had like 2 or 3 really good seasons in 10? years of head coaching at the Panthers. Even factoring in Gettleman that's not hugely impressive.

In this season Pederson has shown that he is at the very least least a top 15 coach in the NFL (I would argue top 10)

Pederson has shown himself a more akeen to coaching a system QB who buys into the playbook like Foles. Wentz can play outlines the lines and Penderson underlizes Wentz's ability. Do you think Penderson could get the same amount of production out of Mahomes as Reid Does? I dont think so but a coach like McCarthy could.

Yes Pederson is a good coach, but he would be better off coaching a more limited QB that will buy into his system like Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones.

On December 31 2019 09:58 cLutZ wrote:
RLD what is your primary sports news website?

Primarily, I listen to Strong Opinion Sports, OJ Simpsons pilot podcast, and Pat McAfee. They are all former players with heaps of experience playing the game, from different generations of football. For a more mainstream take I listen to Cowherd. The articles i read i usually get straight from NFL.com and make an informed decision of what will happen.

"Pederson is a good coach but would be better off coaching a more limited QB"

Hoookay. **takes deep breath**

This is so wrong, its unbelievable. Wentz has proven that he is a dynamic QB who is able to thrive in Pederson's system. What basis do you have to say that it would be better for Pederson to coach a more limited QB? That is just utter nonsense.

I'm certain that your rebuttal is going to mention Nick Foles. The fact that Pederson was able to redesign his offense on the fly in 2017 to tailor it to Foles skills is NOT a reason to think that you should downgrade from Wentz just so that you can play a different system. Wentz offers a lot more than Foles does and you would be crazy not to move forward with him.

This narrative is just so ridiculous and I will not stand for it.

I'm not saying Pilly should downgrade from Wentz, im saying Philly should upgrade from Penderson. Since their SB run, they barely beat Mitchell Trubisky in the playoffs, and narrowly squeaked into the playoffs this year just to get annihilated by Carrol's Seahawks. When you have Wentz as a QB in his prime, sneaking into the playoffs inst good enough. Old man Brady got into the playoffs with less weapons than Wentz and no ability to scramble. Wentz has the arm and the ability to scramble that a Coach like Arians, McCarthy, etc could better utilize to its full potential than Penderson can. Yes, Penderson could win more games overall with a QB who knows his limitations and will follow his system. Thats not a knock against Penderson, its his niche.
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You're kidding right? You really think Rivera is the best coach in the division? Doug Peterson has a ring, and dragged the lifeless corpse of the Eagles to the playoffs for the third straight year.

Rivera has been to a SB, coached a average QB to preform at an MVP level, and Won his division several times against Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Penderson has had and less difficult strenghth of schedule, and a better QB than Rivera ever had. In spite of that, Penderson has done less with Wentz than Rivera did with Newton and Rivera has more divisional wins in a more challenging division.

Wentz has had a very good year. Where do you have any support for the idea that he would be better off with a guy like Arians or McCarthy? Under Arians coaching, Jameis Winston threw for what, 30 interceptions this year? And don't we know Mike McCarthy as the guy who led his team to a generation of underachievement despite having a hall of fame quarterback at his disposal? Where is your evidence to support any of this?

And where in the world are you getting the idea that the Eagles should be looking to upgrade from Pederson? He's been the playoffs 3 out of his first 4 years, including a Super bowl win.

Can you defend any of this?
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-03 19:07:33
January 03 2020 19:06 GMT
#2195
On January 03 2020 07:38 Emnjay808 wrote:
Ravens looking to take the whole thing. Niners gonna choke.

Seattle are also contenders if they get their rhythm going.


Also Vikings gonna get completely smashed. MT gonna eviscerate our secondary. Only way I see us winning is in a huge shootout with another “Diggs” miracle play.


Honestly I'm kind of hoping for the Saints to blow us out and for Zimmer and Spielman to finally get fired.

The Vikings are consistently under-performing or otherwise just treading water in a sea of mediocrity. Spielman has fucked us up with his personnel decisions for the better part of a decade (chronic QB problems, a terrible O-line for years, questionable coaches) and Zimmer is a last generation coach playing last generation's football. He's questionable-at-best at motivating his players, has horrible clock management, and his defenses are overrated. He also plays conservative "don't lose" football that ends up losing and he also almost never takes any kind of risks (never tries fake punts/kicks, gets schooled every time an opponent tries one) or tries anything innovative. He's also routinely out-coached by pretty much everyone.
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
January 03 2020 19:10 GMT
#2196
I agree with everything u say.
Skol
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
January 03 2020 20:23 GMT
#2197
That bad? I thought the sentiment was that he was doing a pretty good job
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
January 03 2020 20:32 GMT
#2198
He’s an average, last-gen coach who doesn’t utilize his players’ talents when the situation calls for it (often plays way too safe). He lets Vikes go soft during our “favored match ups” (and we end up paying for it) and his biased relationship with Rhodes isn’t helping us this season either.

He’s not bad. But he’s not great either.

Our O-Line is improving. But we gotta work on our secondary. U can’t rely on our elite WRs to pick up the slack when the opposing team gets a TD every possession.

I digress, but I could go on and on about how incredibly average the results Vikings put out despite the talent on the roster.
Skol
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51582 Posts
January 03 2020 20:55 GMT
#2199
if there's so much talent on the roster it wouldn't be a good idea to get rid of the gm that got them to minnesota, right?
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
January 03 2020 21:01 GMT
#2200
Oh I’m just speaking hypothetically about getting rid of him. I don’t think Zimmer is going anywhere anytime soon. As long as Vikes makes playoffs every year (last year was on the OC), he’ll be with us for a long time.

He has room to improve and I think he can get to where we need him to be.
Skol
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