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redlightdistrict
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On December 31 2019 02:52 JimmiC wrote: Riverboat Ron is apparently on a flight to DC to sign on as the skins new coach. So the skins, at least for the time being, now have the best coach in the division. Urban Meyer will prob take over for Cowboys Linclon Riley will prob get the Giants gig and if the Eages dont fire Penderson, Mike McCarthy will beup for the position and if Seleh chooses to get promoted to hc, he can take over Gase's job at the jets lots of good coaches gonna be on the move this offseason | ||
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ShloobeR
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And what makes Riverboat Ron better than Pederson? I like Rivera but he's had like 2 or 3 really good seasons in 10? years of head coaching at the Panthers. Even factoring in Gettleman that's not hugely impressive. In this season Pederson has shown that he is at the very least least a top 15 coach in the NFL (I would argue top 10) | ||
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redlightdistrict
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On December 31 2019 12:29 ShloobeR wrote: Wait why would the Eagles fire Pederson? And what makes Riverboat Ron better than Pederson? I like Rivera but he's had like 2 or 3 really good seasons in 10? years of head coaching at the Panthers. Even factoring in Gettleman that's not hugely impressive. In this season Pederson has shown that he is at the very least least a top 15 coach in the NFL (I would argue top 10) Pederson has shown himself a more akeen to coaching a system QB who buys into the playbook like Foles. Wentz can play outlines the lines and Penderson underlizes Wentz's ability. Do you think Penderson could get the same amount of production out of Mahomes as Reid Does? I dont think so but a coach like McCarthy could. Yes Pederson is a good coach, but he would be better off coaching a more limited QB that will buy into his system like Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones. On December 31 2019 09:58 cLutZ wrote: RLD what is your primary sports news website? Primarily, I listen to Strong Opinion Sports, OJ Simpsons pilot podcast, and Pat McAfee. They are all former players with heaps of experience playing the game, from different generations of football. For a more mainstream take I listen to Cowherd. The articles i read i usually get straight from NFL.com and make an informed decision of what will happen. | ||
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ShloobeR
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On December 31 2019 13:47 redlightdistrict wrote: Pederson has shown himself a more akeen to coaching a system QB who buys into the playbook like Foles. Wentz can play outlines the lines and Penderson underlizes Wentz's ability. Do you think Penderson could get the same amount of production out of Mahomes as Reid Does? I dont think so but a coach like McCarthy could. Yes Pederson is a good coach, but he would be better off coaching a more limited QB that will buy into his system like Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones. Well to the first point I would say, based on what? What makes Pederson a better suit for 'system QBs'? The fact that he won the superbowl with Foles but not with Wentz? I really don't buy into the narrative that Pederson underutilizes Wentz's ability. I think the Eagles are a team that lacks any kind of explosion in its skill players (outside of Miles Sanders who uncoincidentally ended up being their strongest deep threat for a lot of the season). Which means that Wentz is forced to play the short-mid game moreso than other offences due to personnel issues, not coaching issues. In Wentz's MVP season he let the ball rip downfield quite a lot. To the second part, I would say no, Pederson wouldn't get the same out of Mahomes as Reid did, but that's because Reid is a criminally underrated offensive mind. When the eagles, as is expected, draft one or two speedy receivers in the draft this year, I think we will see the Wentz playbook being widened quite significantly. tldr; Reid is a better offensive mind than Pederson. I don't think Rivera (which is who we were actually talking about) is a better coach than Pederson. | ||
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vult
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On December 31 2019 07:46 redlightdistrict wrote: So the skins, at least for the time being, now have the best coach in the division. Urban Meyer will prob take over for Cowboys Linclon Riley will prob get the Giants gig and if the Eages dont fire Penderson, Mike McCarthy will beup for the position and if Seleh chooses to get promoted to hc, he can take over Gase's job at the jets lots of good coaches gonna be on the move this offseason You're kidding right? You really think Rivera is the best coach in the division? Doug Peterson has a ring, and dragged the lifeless corpse of the Eagles to the playoffs for the third straight year. On December 31 2019 13:47 redlightdistrict wrote: Primarily, I listen to Strong Opinion Sports, OJ Simpsons pilot podcast, and Pat McAfee. They are all former players with heaps of experience playing the game, from different generations of football. For a more mainstream take I listen to Cowherd. The articles i read i usually get straight from NFL.com and make an informed decision of what will happen. Oh so THATS where your hot takes come from. | ||
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vult
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Redskins: Already confirmed Rivera, which I was anticipating as soon as I heard he was interviewing there. Giants: I think they will make a strong case for Jason Garrett. Cowboys: They may bring back Kellen Moore, but he was fired so idk. If not, I could see JJ going after Urban Meyer. Browns: Mike McCarthy Jets: I think they will keep Gase, but if they don't, I think this is where Lincoln Riley lands. Chargers: They seem like they want to rebuild after another terrible season. Dunno who they would go after. And right after I post this I read that the Jags are keeping Marrone. God fucking damnit, Marrone is such a vanilla, ineffective coach. At least we got rid of Coughlin  | ||
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Aveng3r
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On December 31 2019 13:47 redlightdistrict wrote: Pederson has shown himself a more akeen to coaching a system QB who buys into the playbook like Foles. Wentz can play outlines the lines and Penderson underlizes Wentz's ability. Do you think Penderson could get the same amount of production out of Mahomes as Reid Does? I dont think so but a coach like McCarthy could. Yes Pederson is a good coach, but he would be better off coaching a more limited QB that will buy into his system like Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones. Primarily, I listen to Strong Opinion Sports, OJ Simpsons pilot podcast, and Pat McAfee. They are all former players with heaps of experience playing the game, from different generations of football. For a more mainstream take I listen to Cowherd. The articles i read i usually get straight from NFL.com and make an informed decision of what will happen. "Pederson is a good coach but would be better off coaching a more limited QB" Hoookay. **takes deep breath** This is so wrong, its unbelievable. Wentz has proven that he is a dynamic QB who is able to thrive in Pederson's system. What basis do you have to say that it would be better for Pederson to coach a more limited QB? That is just utter nonsense. I'm certain that your rebuttal is going to mention Nick Foles. The fact that Pederson was able to redesign his offense on the fly in 2017 to tailor it to Foles skills is NOT a reason to think that you should downgrade from Wentz just so that you can play a different system. Wentz offers a lot more than Foles does and you would be crazy not to move forward with him. This narrative is just so ridiculous and I will not stand for it. | ||
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redlightdistrict
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On January 01 2020 02:58 Aveng3r wrote: "Pederson is a good coach but would be better off coaching a more limited QB" Hoookay. **takes deep breath** This is so wrong, its unbelievable. Wentz has proven that he is a dynamic QB who is able to thrive in Pederson's system. What basis do you have to say that it would be better for Pederson to coach a more limited QB? That is just utter nonsense. I'm certain that your rebuttal is going to mention Nick Foles. The fact that Pederson was able to redesign his offense on the fly in 2017 to tailor it to Foles skills is NOT a reason to think that you should downgrade from Wentz just so that you can play a different system. Wentz offers a lot more than Foles does and you would be crazy not to move forward with him. This narrative is just so ridiculous and I will not stand for it. I'm not saying Pilly should downgrade from Wentz, im saying Philly should upgrade from Penderson. Since their SB run, they barely beat Mitchell Trubisky in the playoffs, and narrowly squeaked into the playoffs this year just to get annihilated by Carrol's Seahawks. When you have Wentz as a QB in his prime, sneaking into the playoffs inst good enough. Old man Brady got into the playoffs with less weapons than Wentz and no ability to scramble. Wentz has the arm and the ability to scramble that a Coach like Arians, McCarthy, etc could better utilize to its full potential than Penderson can. Yes, Penderson could win more games overall with a QB who knows his limitations and will follow his system. Thats not a knock against Penderson, its his niche. You're kidding right? You really think Rivera is the best coach in the division? Doug Peterson has a ring, and dragged the lifeless corpse of the Eagles to the playoffs for the third straight year. Rivera has been to a SB, coached a average QB to preform at an MVP level, and Won his division several times against Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Penderson has had and less difficult strenghth of schedule, and a better QB than Rivera ever had. In spite of that, Penderson has done less with Wentz than Rivera did with Newton and Rivera has more divisional wins in a more challenging division. | ||
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andrewlt
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On December 31 2019 13:47 redlightdistrict wrote: Pederson has shown himself a more akeen to coaching a system QB who buys into the playbook like Foles. Wentz can play outlines the lines and Penderson underlizes Wentz's ability. Do you think Penderson could get the same amount of production out of Mahomes as Reid Does? I dont think so but a coach like McCarthy could. Yes Pederson is a good coach, but he would be better off coaching a more limited QB that will buy into his system like Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones. Primarily, I listen to Strong Opinion Sports, OJ Simpsons pilot podcast, and Pat McAfee. They are all former players with heaps of experience playing the game, from different generations of football. For a more mainstream take I listen to Cowherd. The articles i read i usually get straight from NFL.com and make an informed decision of what will happen. Might want to read more on people who knows Xs and Os and analytics instead of just hot take artists. And I'm sure there are other former players with opinions, not just a running back and a punter. | ||
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Chicago committing to Mitchell Trubisky Guess the Bears gave up on trading for Newton once Kyle Allen & Will Grier started playing like ass for Carolina. | ||
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