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On May 26 2019 23:58 keit wrote: To make it fun? It's why I like him. You can say a lot, but Max is never boring. | ||
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so, Verstappen passes him then he starts running and Hamilton keeps the rest at 1.17 per lap; in two laps 5sec could've been easy(from Bottas). | ||
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On May 27 2019 00:14 xM(Z wrote: the dudes with hard tires could've ran laps in 1.15s not 1.17+ as Hamilton was doing. so, Verstappen passes him then he starts running and Hamilton keeps the rest at 1.17 per lap; in two laps 5sec could've been easy(from Bottas). Max' tires were fucked as well. They were graining almost as much as Hamilton's. On top of that Monaco makes it very easy to keep within 1s ish of the guy in front. He wasn't going to get away, and certainly not within 1.25 laps. | ||
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On May 27 2019 00:14 xM(Z wrote: the dudes with hard tires could've ran laps in 1.15s not 1.17+ as Hamilton was doing. so, Verstappen passes him then he starts running and Hamilton keeps the rest at 1.17 per lap; in two laps 5sec could've been easy(from Bottas). But you need to be 5+ seconds per lap faster on this track to overtake, verstappen was barely at hamiltons rear tyres when they made contact. That was stupid, there was no chance and he could have ended both their races with a move that had 0 chance. Should be another penalty tho probably not with how lenient they were on the first one. | ||
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Verstappen would have been on the podium. | ||
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On May 27 2019 00:23 xM(Z wrote: the decision to go for the overtake is arguable(still, i approve of it) but i don't think the gains if he was successful are. Verstappen would have been on the podium. I don't see how that could possibly happen. Even in the absolute best case, your own words, he'd make up around 2 seconds. Then Vettel 1s behind Hamilton, and Bottas 1s behind there again. That's, as you might notice, 4 seconds. How that's "inarguable" is beyond me. | ||
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That's fair. As long as there were no one gaining or losing in the incident, then there's no point in penalising. | ||
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Yeah, sure thing stewards. The guy going for an impossible pass hits the person leading the race, forcing him off track, yet somehow the person that did the hitting is not at fault. Not getting a penalty is fine, but Verstappen was clearly the person who caused the incident. I already don't like Verstappen, but stuff like this makes it even harder to cheer for him. It's like there's a separate set of rules for him. Let's not forget all the times he's double defended in front of people (like against Kimi at Spa in 2016 where Verstappen nearly caused a 300+ km/h crash after he swerved in front of Kimi on the longest straight). Well deserved win by Hamilton. It was easy to see by the end his car was sliding all over the place. | ||
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On May 27 2019 00:54 Ben... wrote: "Neither car was predominantly at fault" Yeah, sure thing stewards. The guy going for an impossible pass hits the person leading the race, forcing him off track, yet somehow the person that did the hitting is not at fault. Not getting a penalty is fine, but Verstappen was clearly the person who caused the incident. I already don't like Verstappen, but stuff like this makes it even harder to cheer for him. It's like there's a separate set of rules for him. Let's not forget all the times he's double defended in front of people (like against Kimi at Spa in 2016 where Verstappen nearly caused a 300+ km/h crash after he swerved in front of Kimi on the longest straight). Well deserved win by Hamilton. It was easy to see by the end his car was sliding all over the place. It's just a way of wording into the rules. If Ver was at fault, he would be required a penalty. The stewards have stated numerous times that they want the drivers to race, so they won't be handing out penalties unless someone gains or loses in the incident. This is completely in line with what they've been doing all along, there's no separate set of rules. Chill with your tin foil hat please. There's enough of that in the comment field of the F1 Youtube videos. | ||
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On May 27 2019 00:48 Excludos wrote: That's fair. As long as there were no one gaining or losing in the incident, then there's no point in penalising. It really isn't because the only reason there was no gaining or losing is sheer luck. Either he broke the rules and should be punished or he didn't and then he shouldn't be punished even if Hamiltons car was damaged. Arguing that breaking the rules is ok as long as there is no serious consequences means he will dive bomb time and time again, why not after all. It isn't the first time Max has affected the race of another driver with an unreasonable risk, wasn't even the first time today. | ||
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On May 27 2019 00:58 Excludos wrote: I'm not tinfoil hatting or saying that there is actually a separate ruleset for him, I'm just saying that they've been quite lenient with him many times in the past while penalizing other drivers much more for lesser infractions. He got 5 seconds for basically attempting to race in the pitlane, which is obviously dangerous since there were so many people pitting around then, while another driver got 10 seconds for a small amount of contact that resulted in a bit of a traffic jam. It's silly. They even pointed it out in the race commentary.It's just a way of wording into the rules. If Ver was at fault, he would be required a penalty. The stewards have stated numerous times that they want the drivers to race, so they won't be handing out penalties unless someone gains or loses in the incident. This is completely in line with what they've been doing all along, there's no separate set of rules. Chill with your tin foil hat please. There's enough of that in the comment field of the F1 Youtube videos. | ||
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On May 27 2019 01:01 sneirac wrote: It really isn't because the only reason there was no gaining or losing is sheer luck. Either he broke the rules and should be punished or he didn't and then he shouldn't be punished even if Hamiltons car was damaged. Arguing that breaking the rules is ok as long as there is no serious consequences means he will dive bomb time and time again, why not after all. It isn't the first time Max has affected the race of another driver with an unreasonable risk, wasn't even the first time today. If you punish drivers for every non consequential mistake they do, they'll be less likely to try anything in the future. This sport needs more racing, not less. The stewards have recognised this, and have gone on record saying they want drivers to race, and isn't going to penalize unless necessary. This is an incident with 0 casualities, 0 changes in positions, and 0 consequences. If they penalize here, next year Verstappen is going to sit back and not even try. How's that for exciting racing on an already snore fest of a track? This is completely in line with their stance on letting people race. | ||
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On May 27 2019 01:11 Ben... wrote: I'm not tinfoil hatting or saying that there is actually a separate ruleset for him, I'm just saying that they've been quite lenient with him many times in the past while penalizing other drivers much more for lesser infractions. He got 5 seconds for basically attempting to race in the pitlane, which is obviously dangerous since there were so many people pitting around then, while another driver got 10 seconds for a small amount of contact that resulted in a bit of a traffic jam. It's silly. They even pointed it out in the race commentary. Yes, on the surface this looks stupid. The pitlane incident was definitively lenient, and the 10 second penalty for an accident trying to overtake at the back of the grid was too harsh. I can only assume that Red Bull successfully argued that Ferrari was blocking their view, while the 10s penalty was because it had large consequences for 5 drivers, who ended up losing half a minute waiting for the track to clear. I still disagree with it, but I can see where it's coming from But remember last season as well, both Ferrari and Mercs got away with situations where they were at fault, prompting people to scream about paid stewardesses. But it's, like I said, in line. They're purposfully being lenient on everyone in an attempt to create better racing (aka, more chances being taken). | ||
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