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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 27 2017 12:16 GMT
#121
So, let me change the topic a bit:

Kyrie: Flat Earth was a social experiment
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/kyrie-irving-flat-earth-trolling-radio-interview/

“Here it is: all I want to be able to have is that open conversation,” Irving said. “And when I say open, I mean open.”

“Listen to me: so what it did was, it was all an exploitation tactic. What it did was it literally spinned the world, your guys’ world, it spinner the world into a frenzy. And it proved exactly what I thought it would do in terms of how all this works.
And it created a division, or literally let all these people stand up there and throw tomatoes at me or have somebody think that I’m somehow this different intellectual person because I think that or because I believe that the world is flat and you think that the world is round. It created exactly that.”

“Absolutely. That was the intent behind it,” Irving said. “Like, do your own research.”

“At the end of the day, you’re going to feel and believe what you want to feel,” Irving said. “But don’t knock my life.”


TLDR: Dodge and weasel words and more obfuscation, while avoiding the claim that he is indeed a Flat Earth believer.

And listening to Kyrie, what he says and how he says it is obviously what and how a Flat-Earther would do it. (Add to this fact the lot of conspiracy-theoryish interviews he's had on topics outside basketball then you get a clear picture.) To me, this is a cut and dry issue. Conspiracy theorists always resort to distrust in authorities and evidence while at the same time introducing a storm of nonsense untenable illogical "evidence" of their own without subjecting it to the same level of skepticism. I agree with Kyrie and the lot of them that we should do our own research, but when the topic is mainstream and uncontroversial, and the majority (all?) of scientific community support the consensus, saying "do your own research" while distrusting authorities on the matter only reveals that he is an idiot.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 27 2017 14:57 GMT
#122
That's why you should not approach this as some sort of scientific literacy issue.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 27 2017 15:26 GMT
#123
On September 27 2017 23:57 Jerubaal wrote:
That's why you should not approach this as some sort of scientific literacy issue.

Expound
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 16:27:55
September 27 2017 16:14 GMT
#124
speaking of giant conspiracies....glad to see Pitino gone. Bye Rick.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rick-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out

Embiid spent 90 seconds yapping about his landings again. This is good for Philly fans. if they limit his minutes and reconstruct his mechanics he has got a chance. If Embiid keeps on doing what he has always done... he'll keep on getting what he has always got.

Raptors PR edited out every reference to the Trump debacle in their day 1 media interviews. That is a silly and unnecessary move. There will be 34598 hours of interviews this year and that day 1 stuff will just naturally be forgotten. Now, people will be wondering what controversial stuff got said and edited out.. even the edit cuts look stupid.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 27 2017 17:07 GMT
#125
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 19:40:28
September 27 2017 19:38 GMT
#126
and the Raptors did the right thing and re-uploaded to youtube.com the full unedited videos of day 1 media interviews including all the political stuff and the stuff about Trump. smart move by the Raptors PR team or MLSE or whoever at the top ordered this. now they can just call it a clerical error and no one will care either way.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 27 2017 19:55 GMT
#127
On September 28 2017 00:26 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 23:57 Jerubaal wrote:
That's why you should not approach this as some sort of scientific literacy issue.

Expound


Its a conspiracy theory. There are a bunch of smart people that think Bush planned 9/11, the moon landing was faked, or that there was a 2nd gunman in the Kennedy assassination. Ed Asner is a pretty smart guy, he was president of SAG for 2 terms, he believes all of those things. Even look at the Bigfoot or Alien TV series, there are always guys with Ph.Ds in Zoolology, Archaeology, etc that are part of the conspiracy.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
September 27 2017 20:29 GMT
#128
But kyrie is really stupid though. Its obvious when you hear him give interviews.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 27 2017 21:15 GMT
#129
It doesn't matter. Him being stupid just makes his flat eartherism funny instead of horrifying. It almost always comes from the same narcissistic idea that only you and a select few others hold this "secret knowledge". Its like being Tom Cruise in Scientology, except free, which is a benefit I guess.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 00:50:17
September 28 2017 00:39 GMT
#130
Got you cLutZ, thanks. Funny that biases are so strong that they can highjack even formal education and empirical evidence. At the same time, education/literacy is also a factor. All things being equal, tendency to biases/conspiracy theories notwithstanding, education will certainly influence the majority and especially those in the fringes to subscribe to the mainstream knowledge. Those that insist on conspiracy theories are those that would never be convinced otherwise or those that have not been subjected and exposed to formal education enough to adopt a level-headed appreciation of all evidence available. So it's a little bit of both, and many other factors.

I remember when this came out late Jan or Feb, Adam Silver was hesitant to respond until very late and he did so only with a mild "I went to Duke to, wonder what science classes Kyrie attended" (I paraphrase). Then some reported asked if he would conduct a survey among players to see who the other flat earthers were, Silver brushed it aside. I don't want to go deep into politics, but this episode exposes the delicate underbelly of our body politic, culminating to who was elected as president.

Anyway, it would be funny and interesting if reporters would ask Kyrie about evolution next time.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 28 2017 01:09 GMT
#131
As you say, it's an attitude of distrust towards authority. I hate to say it's explicitly Po-Mo, but it's definitely a cousin. As near as I can tell, it's a reaction to the over confidence in man's ability to dominate nature and ourselves that's been chugging along since the enlightenment, along with the accompanying disenchantment. In a nutshell, people are told that the technocrats are omniscient and omnipotent, the people look around and notice that's not the case and the result is they are disenchanted.

The solution is to promote a reasonable epistemology and limits for natural science and technology.

Come at me.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 01:39:27
September 28 2017 01:36 GMT
#132
Lol Jerubaal. I'm tempted to bite but you sound exactly like sophomore philo student me (I mean this endearingly) after tearing through Gauchet, Coelho, Redfield, and even Castaneda on the new age side, and Guattari, Feyerabend, Lyotard, and Zizek on the philo side.

I think there is a more direct way of communicating your ideas.

On the topic though, I think all this conspiracy theory thing we are experiencing right now is a direct unintended obverse result of the age of information - one the one hand, it is direct misinformation with malicious manipulative intent, and on the other, it is simply that idiots and miseducated people who fifty years ago would have been limited to their group of friends, now have a soapbox from which to spread misinformation.

I don't know what sources Kyrie have, but listening to him seems that he is deep into this whole conspiracy-theory thing, and it would serve most of our perverse morbid curiosity if he could be asked about such other topics as alien abduction, evolution, cryptozoology, etc.

And to go back once again to flat Earth, what's up with it? For there to be a conspiracy, there has to be people with hidden agenda for some sort of gain. Who are these people and what is being protected by hiding the truth of the flat Earth from the masses?
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 28 2017 01:57 GMT
#133
That is one thing I do love about flat eartherism, it is the most confusing of the conspiracy theories.

Also, IDK what yall are even talking about, but I did read this book a few years ago, and Kyrie is right out of the playbook. https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Paranoia-Conspiracy-Theory/dp/0062135554
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 28 2017 02:32 GMT
#134
@TwinkleToes- Sounds like you wasted a lot of time reading shit.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1845 Posts
September 28 2017 02:57 GMT
#135
On September 28 2017 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
I Wonder how different Pitno's legacy and pops for that matter, would be if lottery balls bounced different and duncan was a celtic?


Not sure if it matters. Pitino's system, which revolves around pressing and zone defenses at the college level, just doesn't work in the NBA. + Show Spoiler +


As a pretty diehard college basketball fan (I've had Wichita State season tickets for 16 years) it's all pretty sickening. We lost to Louisville in the Final Four in 2013 and it really pisses you off to know they were cheating the entire time. Being caught and having their national title taken away doesn't mean much when they still robbed other teams of opportunities.

As far as the whole FBI deal, I expect to hear a lot more within the next few weeks as the people from Adidas and Nike are going to bring everyone down with them
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 28 2017 03:09 GMT
#136
On September 28 2017 11:32 Jerubaal wrote:
@TwinkleToes- Sounds like you wasted a lot of time reading shit.

Your tone aside, very true, but that was ages ago when I was young and naive and impressionable. Right now, I hesitate, cringe even, to introduce such words as "epistemology" into the discussion unless the general exchange has already reached that level. It just sounds childish to me.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 28 2017 03:13 GMT
#137
On September 28 2017 10:57 cLutZ wrote:
That is one thing I do love about flat eartherism, it is the most confusing of the conspiracy theories.

Also, IDK what yall are even talking about, but I did read this book a few years ago, and Kyrie is right out of the playbook. https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Paranoia-Conspiracy-Theory/dp/0062135554

Hey cLutZ, since Jerubal would rather resort to childish fallacy instead of replying, would you like to answer my question? I dont know much about the politics behind flat Earthers other than the belief itself, but who do they think is behind the conspiracy (government? scientific community?) and what are those hiding about flat earth such that they need to promote the spherical Earth idea?
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 28 2017 03:21 GMT
#138
On September 28 2017 12:13 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 10:57 cLutZ wrote:
That is one thing I do love about flat eartherism, it is the most confusing of the conspiracy theories.

Also, IDK what yall are even talking about, but I did read this book a few years ago, and Kyrie is right out of the playbook. https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Paranoia-Conspiracy-Theory/dp/0062135554

Hey cLutZ, since Jerubal would rather resort to childish fallacy instead of replying, would you like to answer my question? I dont know much about the politics behind flat Earthers other than the belief itself, but who do they think is behind the conspiracy (government? scientific community?) and what are those hiding about flat earth such that they need to promote the spherical Earth idea?


I don't know/understand it, which is why its my favorite conspiracy theory. I once met such a person (who was in law school!) and asked the "who benefits" question, and they did not give a straight answer. Like, other conspiracy theories I at least kind of get: Aliens came to Earth and its hidden so the government/big companies can profit by slowly releasing alien tech to the public; the moon landing was faked because of propaganda; the CIA killed JFK because of Bay of Pigs; Bush did 9/11 to cover up his loss of the popular vote; etc. Flat earth is the one that is the most nebulous of them all.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 28 2017 03:28 GMT
#139
On September 28 2017 12:21 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 12:13 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On September 28 2017 10:57 cLutZ wrote:
That is one thing I do love about flat eartherism, it is the most confusing of the conspiracy theories.

Also, IDK what yall are even talking about, but I did read this book a few years ago, and Kyrie is right out of the playbook. https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Paranoia-Conspiracy-Theory/dp/0062135554

Hey cLutZ, since Jerubal would rather resort to childish fallacy instead of replying, would you like to answer my question? I dont know much about the politics behind flat Earthers other than the belief itself, but who do they think is behind the conspiracy (government? scientific community?) and what are those hiding about flat earth such that they need to promote the spherical Earth idea?


I don't know/understand it, which is why its my favorite conspiracy theory. I once met such a person (who was in law school!) and asked the "who benefits" question, and they did not give a straight answer. Like, other conspiracy theories I at least kind of get: Aliens came to Earth and its hidden so the government/big companies can profit by slowly releasing alien tech to the public; the moon landing was faked because of propaganda; the CIA killed JFK because of Bay of Pigs; Bush did 9/11 to cover up his loss of the popular vote; etc. Flat earth is the one that is the most nebulous of them all.

So true. And so weird. Thanks. Time to dig this matter up, lol. I'll be back, woke.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 28 2017 03:40 GMT
#140
On September 28 2017 11:57 GoShox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
I Wonder how different Pitno's legacy and pops for that matter, would be if lottery balls bounced different and duncan was a celtic?


Not sure if it matters. Pitino's system, which revolves around pressing and zone defenses at the college level, just doesn't work in the NBA. + Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/wjMMui8CUyY?t=43


As a pretty diehard college basketball fan (I've had Wichita State season tickets for 16 years) it's all pretty sickening. We lost to Louisville in the Final Four in 2013 and it really pisses you off to know they were cheating the entire time. Being caught and having their national title taken away doesn't mean much when they still robbed other teams of opportunities.

As far as the whole FBI deal, I expect to hear a lot more within the next few weeks as the people from Adidas and Nike are going to bring everyone down with them

What's the deal and why is Nike and Adidas involved?
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