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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 02:35:19
February 07 2018 02:34 GMT
#2081
he spends his way out of the mistakes his FO makes. guy is the george steinbrenner of ohio.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10340 Posts
February 07 2018 02:34 GMT
#2082
On February 07 2018 11:12 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
I suppose he would have been a "better owner" if he just stuck by a "fuck lebron or anyone who does things I don't like" attitude, but then he still would have no rings and Lebron would have skipped town on the Heat to a different team with a young core and assets. His flaw is he is overcompensating to be Lebron's guy, but Lebron owns ESPN so if he pushed back at all he would instantly be slandered as a mega-Racist (they already have implied as much in numerous articles). Realistically, Lebron ostracized Boozer his first go round in CLE, then kept pushing for win-now moves that tanked the franchise. He left, then came back because they had the best assets in the East, and again began pushing for win-now moves (mostly signing 1 year deals with player options so as to control things), and again ostracized his #2 in Kyrie.

Sure, Gilbert could be better, but when Pat Fucking Riley made a few moves Lebron didn't like he complained to ESPN, ESPN slandered Riley and Erickson as cheapskates, then he booked it to CLE for greener pastures.

Maybe that's the difference between good FO's compared to bad ones. Heat is stable, Cavs is a cesspool. And now that you mention it, this is why LBJ's legacy as one of the greatest is tarnished. He is a diva with a posse of asskissers who do everything to protect his corporate image. Having said that, LBJ can do whatever he wants and Gilbert can do the same, they deserve each other.


Being a diva with a posse of asskissers should make him the perfect candidate to succeed Jordan
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 07 2018 02:35 GMT
#2083
On February 07 2018 11:29 BlackJack wrote:
It's hard to call Gilbert a shit owner considering how much he has spent on the Cavs roster over the last few years but not retaining David Griffin was a huge mistake

Maybe he wasn't wise with the spending
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 07 2018 02:41 GMT
#2084
On February 07 2018 11:34 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 11:12 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On February 07 2018 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
I suppose he would have been a "better owner" if he just stuck by a "fuck lebron or anyone who does things I don't like" attitude, but then he still would have no rings and Lebron would have skipped town on the Heat to a different team with a young core and assets. His flaw is he is overcompensating to be Lebron's guy, but Lebron owns ESPN so if he pushed back at all he would instantly be slandered as a mega-Racist (they already have implied as much in numerous articles). Realistically, Lebron ostracized Boozer his first go round in CLE, then kept pushing for win-now moves that tanked the franchise. He left, then came back because they had the best assets in the East, and again began pushing for win-now moves (mostly signing 1 year deals with player options so as to control things), and again ostracized his #2 in Kyrie.

Sure, Gilbert could be better, but when Pat Fucking Riley made a few moves Lebron didn't like he complained to ESPN, ESPN slandered Riley and Erickson as cheapskates, then he booked it to CLE for greener pastures.

Maybe that's the difference between good FO's compared to bad ones. Heat is stable, Cavs is a cesspool. And now that you mention it, this is why LBJ's legacy as one of the greatest is tarnished. He is a diva with a posse of asskissers who do everything to protect his corporate image. Having said that, LBJ can do whatever he wants and Gilbert can do the same, they deserve each other.


Being a diva with a posse of asskissers should make him the perfect candidate to succeed Jordan

Terrible comparison man. Not even in the same planet.

Jordan punched Kerr, bruised with Wellington, fought with almost the entire pre-1990s Bulls roster, battled with Magic for NBA Olympic supremacy, and all those nasty things... but please tell us when did Jordan act a diva for his brand's sake and not out of the killer instinct to win win the championship?

Name one.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
February 07 2018 02:41 GMT
#2085
i look at this situation as mostly lebron's fault. hey the team is shit? well u wanted these guys around u

u could blame the org for allowing him this much power, but lebron has all the leverage and theres nothing the cavs can do about that. i think any other team thats not spurs/warriors/houston would sign lebron even if u have to give him all this power over the roster etc.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 02:46:47
February 07 2018 02:44 GMT
#2086
Spencer Dinwiddie played great tonight.... again.
On February 07 2018 11:41 zev318 wrote:. i think any other team thats not spurs/warriors/houston would sign lebron even if u have to give him all this power over the roster etc.

i don't see Larry Tanenbaum and the MLSE board giving an aging LBJ any power.
if they wouldn't give it to Tim Lewieke who did an incredible job rebuilding the entire corp they won't give it to anyone.

MLSE is pretty much married to Ujiri and Casey. Those guys are basically god.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 02:51:09
February 07 2018 02:50 GMT
#2087
lebron would never come to toronto anyways.

who's the biggest FA that canada (i say canada cause lul vancouver) has ever gotten? i cant think of an answer.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 02:57:43
February 07 2018 02:52 GMT
#2088
so you can add TO to that list of teams that won't give LBJ power over roster decisions.

Fred Van Vleet got the most minutes tonight... the most assists.. and was the best player for toronto, again.
sry Kyle.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 07 2018 02:55 GMT
#2089
On February 07 2018 11:41 zev318 wrote:
i look at this situation as mostly lebron's fault. hey the team is shit? well u wanted these guys around u

u could blame the org for allowing him this much power, but lebron has all the leverage and theres nothing the cavs can do about that. i think any other team thats not spurs/warriors/houston would sign lebron even if u have to give him all this power over the roster etc.

And I still remember how James and his Maverick guys hounded Riley on ESPN and all tabloids in Miami when Riley won't give in to his demands.

I appreciate players taking control over their financial and career decisions, in contrast to the 70s 80s and 90s era when players were nothing but pure workers for the owners. But there must be a balance to this. Players' interest and well-being do not always align with the teams' and the league's. These guys earn millions (players and owners alike). There's just too much greed and ego getting in the way of good basketball spectatorship for the fans. Oh actually I take that back, maybe the Cavs are good soap opera tv for now.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
February 07 2018 02:56 GMT
#2090
On February 07 2018 11:55 Twinkle Toes wrote:
There's just too much greed and ego getting in the way of good basketball spectatorship for the fans. Oh actually I take that back, maybe the Cavs are good soap opera tv for now.

i think it makes for a great contrast of styles. and it makes for interesting basketball.
you have true teams run by Popovich and you have Frankenstein teams slammed together by player agreements.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
February 07 2018 02:58 GMT
#2091
On February 07 2018 11:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
so you can add TO to that list of teams that won't give LBJ power over roster decisions.

Fred Van Vleet go the most minutes tonight... the most assists.. and was the best player for toronto, again.
sry Kyle.


actually thinking about teams, i think there's more teams that i could add to that list. teams with strong FOs/owners. lakers/magic johnson i think wouldnt do it. mavs with cuban probably not, heat with riley
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
February 07 2018 03:08 GMT
#2092
The national media is obsessing over the Cavs getting hammered by the Rockets. Giving up 120 to the Rockets ain't that big a deal. Rockets score 120+ a lot.

The problem is they got destroyed by Detroit when the Pistons roster was depleted due to the Griffin trade. Minnesota destroyed them without 2 rotation players and 1 starter. Toronto destroyed them without 2 starters in their lineup. The Spurs smashed the Cavs with half their team hurt. and everyone's favourite defensive juggernaut ,Orlando, just held the Cavs to 31 points in the 2nd half. All this stuff is way more ominous than giving up 120 to the Rockets.

If Philly wins tonight the Cavs are only 3.5 games ahead of the 8th place team.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 03:11:26
February 07 2018 03:10 GMT
#2093
The Los Angeles Lakers (via Magic Johnson) have been fined $50,000 by NBA for violating the league’s anti-tampering rule regarding the Milwaukee Bucks’ Giannis Antetokounmpo.



Johnson's full quote:
"With his ball-handling skills and his passing ability. He plays above the rim I never could do that. But in his understanding of the game, his basketball IQ, his creativity of shots for his teammates. That's where we [have the] same thing. Can bring it down, make a pass, make a play. I'm just happy he's starting in the All-Star game because he deserves that. And he's going to be like an MVP, a champion, this dude he's going to put Milwaukee on the map. And I think he's going to bring them a championship one day."


Per NBA rules, any talk about a player on another team outside of press conferences and interviews before, during, and after the games against the team of the player in question constitutes a fine. Recruiting attempt: $500k (like PG), non-recruiting attempt: $50k (like this one).
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 07 2018 03:25 GMT
#2094
The freefall continues:

ORL 116 - 98 CLE

At least we got this beautiful 360 no scope 3 from JR Smith
https://streamable.com/pn9ex
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10340 Posts
February 07 2018 04:01 GMT
#2095
On February 07 2018 11:41 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 11:34 BlackJack wrote:
On February 07 2018 11:12 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On February 07 2018 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
I suppose he would have been a "better owner" if he just stuck by a "fuck lebron or anyone who does things I don't like" attitude, but then he still would have no rings and Lebron would have skipped town on the Heat to a different team with a young core and assets. His flaw is he is overcompensating to be Lebron's guy, but Lebron owns ESPN so if he pushed back at all he would instantly be slandered as a mega-Racist (they already have implied as much in numerous articles). Realistically, Lebron ostracized Boozer his first go round in CLE, then kept pushing for win-now moves that tanked the franchise. He left, then came back because they had the best assets in the East, and again began pushing for win-now moves (mostly signing 1 year deals with player options so as to control things), and again ostracized his #2 in Kyrie.

Sure, Gilbert could be better, but when Pat Fucking Riley made a few moves Lebron didn't like he complained to ESPN, ESPN slandered Riley and Erickson as cheapskates, then he booked it to CLE for greener pastures.

Maybe that's the difference between good FO's compared to bad ones. Heat is stable, Cavs is a cesspool. And now that you mention it, this is why LBJ's legacy as one of the greatest is tarnished. He is a diva with a posse of asskissers who do everything to protect his corporate image. Having said that, LBJ can do whatever he wants and Gilbert can do the same, they deserve each other.


Being a diva with a posse of asskissers should make him the perfect candidate to succeed Jordan

Terrible comparison man. Not even in the same planet.

Jordan punched Kerr, bruised with Wellington, fought with almost the entire pre-1990s Bulls roster, battled with Magic for NBA Olympic supremacy, and all those nasty things... but please tell us when did Jordan act a diva for his brand's sake and not out of the killer instinct to win win the championship?

Name one.


HOF speech. Blackballing Isaiah.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 07 2018 04:05 GMT
#2096
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 07 2018 04:11 GMT
#2097
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
February 07 2018 04:59 GMT
#2098
Porzingas: Torn ACL.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22350160/mri-reveals-torn-ligament-left-knee-knicks-kristaps-porzingis
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 05:14:52
February 07 2018 05:13 GMT
#2099
Fuck man, the unicorn is down!
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 07 2018 05:15 GMT
#2100
On February 07 2018 13:05 JimmiC wrote:
Biggest advantage every athlete had pre 2000 was no social media or cell phone cameras. Imagine charles barkley with that shit. Hed be more likely in jail then on tnt

Yeah so true.
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