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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 18 2018 08:47 GMT
#3401
What a farce that was last night. Chelsea had two penalties, one 100% nailed on and the ref booked both players for diving? Didn't consult the VAR at all and the VAR didn't chip in to say "oh you got that wrong / go look at a replay" absolutely awful use of VAR, complete failure!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2123 Posts
January 18 2018 10:17 GMT
#3402
On January 18 2018 11:10 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2018 10:55 zev318 wrote:
so u guys think that lukaku, at this point, was a better signing?


I think both have underperformed, but it's not entirely their fault. Manchester united lack creators for lukaku, especially when pogba is absent. He can't really do much without the supply.

Conte's style doesn't suit Morata. He is not strong/aggressive enough to play a lone striker tasked to chase stray balls. Thing is Costa was a good fit for conte system, but clearly the coach thinks otherwise. Lukaku is probably a better fit too, but he chose man u.

I think Morata would suit arsenal or liverpool more. These teams don't leave their offence so isolated.

Any idea why Chelsea signed Morata considering how their game plan works?

Was he simply the best left in the market after Lukaku was gone? Was there some attempt at different style until the reverted to a more familiar system?

I can see United's issues stemming from Mkhitaryan not performing as expected and Pogba being injured and all that. Meanwhile based on what you said, Morata seemed like a player that simply didn't all the way fit into the system in the first place.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 18 2018 10:33 GMT
#3403
Conte wanted Morata, Chelsea got him Morata. He is a good player, he has potential to be able to do the hold up side of the game, he is only 25, playing in England for the first time. Lukaku has been playing in this league since he was 20, there is alot to learn for Morata. Next season is his proper test, if he doesn't perform then, then there is an issue.

Right now i see just a few issues in his game where he isn't being as strong as he should be, but that is because he has come from Real Madrid and the Spanish league in which you get touched in a Real or Barca shirt > instant freekick. He will learn, he has scored goals with his head and feet proving he can deal with the league just needs more consistency.

I am sure when we get in another striker or two to help compete we will be ok but as of now we are very poor in front of goal because both our strikers are in a bad run and Hazard doesn't score anyway.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
January 18 2018 17:33 GMT
#3404
So Benfica just sold a 16 year old to RB Leipzig for a fee between 15 and 20 million Euros. Is he the next Renato Sanches or the next Gonçalo Guedes? Nobody knows.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28918 Posts
January 18 2018 20:41 GMT
#3405
Renato Sanches almost ended up in Rosenborg. I love Rosenborg but that's not how 'best young player in the EC' careers are supposed to pan out.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 03:41:05
January 19 2018 03:39 GMT
#3406
On January 19 2018 02:33 warding wrote:
So Benfica just sold a 16 year old to RB Leipzig for a fee between 15 and 20 million Euros. Is he the next Renato Sanches or the next Gonçalo Guedes? Nobody knows.

Any more information? Who are you talking about?

Also usually Rangnick knows what he is doing.
Off-season = best season
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 05:32:20
January 19 2018 05:25 GMT
#3407
Once again send our youth to Germany to train, it's cheaper, and gives Germany free scouting opportunities never mind the fact that they can establish potential breakouts for their own domestic leagues, and also millions of $ in helping coach developing players for the US. Meanwhile we will get the best technical training on earth for international matches.

PHILADELPHIA -- Outgoing U.S. Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati described the ideas of some of the candidates hoping to succeed him as "nonsensical," though he admitted some other ideas could be implemented over time.

Speaking at a public forum at the United Soccer Coaches convention -- one hosted by Fox Soccer broadcaster Alexi Lalas -- Gulati also took aim at the assertion that the sport was broken, even in the wake of the failure by the U.S. men's team to qualify for the World Cup.

"I have found a lot of the discourse depressing and disgusting, frankly," Gulati said. "I've been to the last 34 U.S. Soccer AGMs and the last 30 out of 31 conventions. At all those AGMs the mood was really good -- the finances, teams, everything else across the board -- then it seems the world fell apart in the last 30 days.

"It's about everything. It's about transparency, it's about on-field performance, it's about decision-making, it's about the failure of everyone in the room. On top of that, because the sport is completely broken, and nothing good is going on? That's all nonsense."

Gulati admitted that improvements could be made in all of the areas that he mentioned, but when it came hot-button issues like pay-to-play in youth soccer, promotion/relegation, or changing the calendar to match that of Europe, there were no easy fixes.

"We have $150 million in the bank. That's from 10-15 years of savings," said Gulati.
"To end pay-to-play, to do a little back-of-the-envelope analysis, without knowing what every kid pays, would mean paying $150 million a month, every month to end it. There's nowhere in the world that has no pay-to-play. What you want to make sure of is that anybody can afford it. But you have millions of kids playing, and the thought that we're going to end play-to-play is nonsensical.

"That we're going to have promotion/relegation the day after tomorrow is nonsensical. The thought that we're going to change the calendar to a European season is nonsensical."

Gulati did believe that some of the ideas could happen over time, but remained adamant that it couldn't be forced upon MLS by the USSF.

"[In MLS], there's a whole bunch of people that came in under one set of rules, and some have paid $150 million and built a stadium for another $250 million under a certain set of rules," Gulati said. "If they sit down and start this other league and say, 'We want to do promotion/relegation,' for all the reasons that people think are positive, fantastic. We as a federation aren't going to legislate that. Anyone who thinks they can without everyone's agreement is going to end up with nine judges in Washington [the U.S. Supreme Court] for sure."

When asked if FIFA could force it, Gulati said: "Then they're going to end up with nine judges in Washington."

Gulati also hit back at the notion that a system of promotion/relegation is something that is required by FIFA. Article 9 of FIFA's Regulations for the Applications of Statutes reads: "A Club's entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit. A Club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season."

But Gulati insists that FIFA didn't make the statute's implementation mandatory.

"There's a reason FIFA didn't make it mandatory when they passed the rule a decade ago. And by the way, it wasn't about the sporting merit. FIFA's rule came into play because what happened in Spain and some other places was the team that got relegated, the owner of that team quickly bought the team that went up, changed all the uniforms, changed all the players, and then went back to the first division. That isn't sporting merit."

Gulati also said the sports culture in the United States is different, and that given the task of starting a league from scratch -- something he took part in when MLS was started in 1996 -- it's not clear that a system of promotion/relegation would work best.

"Few leagues in the world that have split seasons, there's very few leagues in the world that have playoffs, there's very few leagues in the world that have a salary cap. There's very few leagues in the world that have drafts. Our professional sports work pretty well.

"Now, the other side of that is there's no sport other than soccer where we have the same level of competition as we do abroad so you need different things. That may be true. In general terms, whether it's as an economist or president of the federation, I'm agnostic on promotion/relegation.

"There are some pros, and there are some negatives. I've read and looked at and talked to people about all of those things. I've read about as much as there is on it. In a salary cap world, when you don't have 60 teams in three divisions and you're starting from scratch, should this be the way to go? There's no evidence of that."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
January 19 2018 11:00 GMT
#3408
On January 19 2018 12:39 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 02:33 warding wrote:
So Benfica just sold a 16 year old to RB Leipzig for a fee between 15 and 20 million Euros. Is he the next Renato Sanches or the next Gonçalo Guedes? Nobody knows.

Any more information? Who are you talking about?

Also usually Rangnick knows what he is doing.


There are rumours about Umaro Embalo moving to Leipzig.
But nothing confirmed.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
January 19 2018 18:59 GMT
#3409
Portuguese news claims the deal is done, pending are the medicals. Photos of Benfica's president in Germany and his agent is talking to the media as if the deal is practically done. Umaro Embaló is the player.

No matter how experienced and talented the scouts, it's always a crapshoot at that age.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 19 2018 21:36 GMT
#3410
Bild said that Barca and Manu are also trying to get him but that Leipzig is now favorite because he has chances to play there right now. Which seems pretty crazy to get play time at a top Bundesliga club at 16 although it is not unprecedented.
Off-season = best season
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 20 2018 12:39 GMT
#3411
What a FANTASTIC team goal from Chelsea just to make it 2-0, fantastic!!!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11449 Posts
January 20 2018 13:28 GMT
#3412
Great goal!

Ay with this bench if Musonda doesn't come on, then he's never gonna get a chance.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11449 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-20 14:10:32
January 20 2018 14:04 GMT
#3413
GG Musonda. Zappacosta coming on. And barkley probably after. Well can't say its unexpected given how Alonso is struggling

[Edit]

Hazard!!! Batshuayi was in a similar situation earlier but could only give away the ball. Difference in quality

[Edit2]

MUSONDA!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 20 2018 14:32 GMT
#3414
Nice game, some goals and most important some confidence for the next game! Musonda nice pass for Moses goal, next up Arsenal!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 21 2018 13:43 GMT
#3415


THIS IS MADNESS
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10024 Posts
January 21 2018 13:58 GMT
#3416
On January 20 2018 23:32 Pandemona wrote:
Nice game, some goals and most important some confidence for the next game! Musonda nice pass for Moses goal, next up Arsenal!




That goal :o
RIP Meatloaf <3
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 21 2018 14:01 GMT
#3417
meh i like this one more

https://streamable.com/awr5a
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28918 Posts
January 21 2018 14:43 GMT
#3418
I thought both were amazing!
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11449 Posts
January 21 2018 15:07 GMT
#3419
On January 21 2018 23:01 sneirac wrote:
meh i like this one more

https://streamable.com/awr5a


Definitely intentional!
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
January 21 2018 15:13 GMT
#3420
On January 21 2018 23:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I thought both were amazing!

Yup, nearly as good as City's third goal :p
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