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On November 26 2017 04:16 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 03:56 Pr0wler wrote:On November 26 2017 03:43 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:41 Pr0wler wrote:
How the hell is the first goal for Dortmund legal ? I tought that they have VAR in Germany... Now I'm watching Bayern's game and BMG were awarded a penalty after obvious offside. Did the Bundesliga turn off the VAR or what ? VAR reviewed it, it just isn't an actionable handball. Hand is in a "natural" position, zero distance/time to react, no active movement toward the ball, just completely incidental contact. If his hand was not there that was not a goal. Doesn't matter whether its intentional or not. He is not allowed to score with hands. Also this "natural" position of the hand is really questionable... Saluting the crowd while sliding on the grass is not really common. edit: Just now I saw that the ref was Aytekin. That explains everything... You need to read the rules on what a handball is. Not every contact of the ball with the hand is automatically illegal, intent is required or negligence and neither was in play here. Aytekin called it this way, the VAR agreed, the refereeing experts agreed and all commentators agreed. I'll go with them and the laws of the game over your opinion.
No negligence there at all, he put his hand in the air "just in case". 100% not negligent, quite the opposite actually 
I will go with my eyes, rather than Aytekin's... His have really bad track record
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On November 26 2017 04:35 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 04:16 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:56 Pr0wler wrote:On November 26 2017 03:43 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:41 Pr0wler wrote:
How the hell is the first goal for Dortmund legal ? I tought that they have VAR in Germany... Now I'm watching Bayern's game and BMG were awarded a penalty after obvious offside. Did the Bundesliga turn off the VAR or what ? VAR reviewed it, it just isn't an actionable handball. Hand is in a "natural" position, zero distance/time to react, no active movement toward the ball, just completely incidental contact. If his hand was not there that was not a goal. Doesn't matter whether its intentional or not. He is not allowed to score with hands. Also this "natural" position of the hand is really questionable... Saluting the crowd while sliding on the grass is not really common. edit: Just now I saw that the ref was Aytekin. That explains everything... You need to read the rules on what a handball is. Not every contact of the ball with the hand is automatically illegal, intent is required or negligence and neither was in play here. Aytekin called it this way, the VAR agreed, the refereeing experts agreed and all commentators agreed. I'll go with them and the laws of the game over your opinion. No negligence there at all, he put his hand in the air "just in case". 100% not negligent, quite the opposite actually I will go with my eyes, rather than Aytekin's... His have really bad track record
Good thing that Aytekin was also the VAR for this game, and the refereeing expert and on all text/video commentary.
Just google pictures of sliding tackles and look if that arm was in an unusual position...
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On November 26 2017 04:51 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 04:35 Pr0wler wrote:On November 26 2017 04:16 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:56 Pr0wler wrote:On November 26 2017 03:43 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:41 Pr0wler wrote:
How the hell is the first goal for Dortmund legal ? I tought that they have VAR in Germany... Now I'm watching Bayern's game and BMG were awarded a penalty after obvious offside. Did the Bundesliga turn off the VAR or what ? VAR reviewed it, it just isn't an actionable handball. Hand is in a "natural" position, zero distance/time to react, no active movement toward the ball, just completely incidental contact. If his hand was not there that was not a goal. Doesn't matter whether its intentional or not. He is not allowed to score with hands. Also this "natural" position of the hand is really questionable... Saluting the crowd while sliding on the grass is not really common. edit: Just now I saw that the ref was Aytekin. That explains everything... You need to read the rules on what a handball is. Not every contact of the ball with the hand is automatically illegal, intent is required or negligence and neither was in play here. Aytekin called it this way, the VAR agreed, the refereeing experts agreed and all commentators agreed. I'll go with them and the laws of the game over your opinion. No negligence there at all, he put his hand in the air "just in case". 100% not negligent, quite the opposite actually I will go with my eyes, rather than Aytekin's... His have really bad track record Good thing that Aytekin was also the VAR for this game, and the refereeing expert and on all text/video commentary. Just google pictures of sliding tackles and look if that arm was in an unusual position...
First of all that is hardly a sliding tackle...
Anyways, I decided to humor you and did that just now. I didn't see an usual position. Usually the hands are all over the place depending on the situation. One thing I didn't see tough - a player with his arm extended forward with open hand in attempt to increase his volume.
Anyways, karma fixed everything at the end.
Lol, Liverpool choked again.
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Could only watch the first half. Just finished highlights. Damn Morata not taking his chances. Looked like a defensive masterclass by the team despite salah's goal.
Can anyone explain why we bought baka and sold chalobah again? Guy offers nothing offensively, and is prone to giving away possession cheaply with his poor touch. Some times he used his build well, but it appears I see the former more often. He has no place in a 3 man midfield with kante and Drinkwater selected. He was suppose to boss the midfield with his big frame, but his technique is lacking....
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Palace are only 3 points from safety now. Their performances have been getting better and better and they were unlucky to not get a win under their aging owl of a manager earlier. The bottom is going to be a right scrap this year. Literally anyone could go down.
I fell asleep again. I must be getting old. I managed to watch the games just fine living in Korea. In China the games are a whole hour earlier and I can't even remember the last time I made it to the end of a 3 o’clock kick off.
edit: Pulis is demonstrably a good manager whoever was arguing otherwise. Maybe not popular. But he gets the job done. More than can be said for a lot of managers.
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Pretty good cross from Wiliian..
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On November 26 2017 10:48 DucK- wrote:
Could only watch the first half. Just finished highlights. Damn Morata not taking his chances. Looked like a defensive masterclass by the team despite salah's goal.
Can anyone explain why we bought baka and sold chalobah again? Guy offers nothing offensively, and is prone to giving away possession cheaply with his poor touch. Some times he used his build well, but it appears I see the former more often. He has no place in a 3 man midfield with kante and Drinkwater selected. He was suppose to boss the midfield with his big frame, but his technique is lacking....
To be honest with ya I think Fellaini could have done a better job than Baka already is.
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Just 11 goals conceded this week by Everton.
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On November 26 2017 04:35 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 04:16 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:56 Pr0wler wrote:On November 26 2017 03:43 sneirac wrote:On November 26 2017 03:41 Pr0wler wrote:
How the hell is the first goal for Dortmund legal ? I tought that they have VAR in Germany... Now I'm watching Bayern's game and BMG were awarded a penalty after obvious offside. Did the Bundesliga turn off the VAR or what ? VAR reviewed it, it just isn't an actionable handball. Hand is in a "natural" position, zero distance/time to react, no active movement toward the ball, just completely incidental contact. If his hand was not there that was not a goal. Doesn't matter whether its intentional or not. He is not allowed to score with hands. Also this "natural" position of the hand is really questionable... Saluting the crowd while sliding on the grass is not really common. edit: Just now I saw that the ref was Aytekin. That explains everything... You need to read the rules on what a handball is. Not every contact of the ball with the hand is automatically illegal, intent is required or negligence and neither was in play here. Aytekin called it this way, the VAR agreed, the refereeing experts agreed and all commentators agreed. I'll go with them and the laws of the game over your opinion. No negligence there at all, he put his hand in the air "just in case". 100% not negligent, quite the opposite actually I will go with my eyes, rather than Aytekin's... His have really bad track record
I am with you on that. That goal was debated a bit but the referee and the video ref had the same opinion on it, so I guess it was correct according to rules.
I mean I get that you shouldn't punish an unintentional handball with a penalty, but it's different when a goal is scored by hand. the ball wouldn't have gone in without the hand and goals shouldn't allowed to be scored like that, no matter if intentional or not.
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I transferred out Bertrand for Otamendi....
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Hahahahah Skynx my man! My friend also transfered bertrand out but not for oatemendi xd
Also Arsenal robbed Burnley for the 3rd? i think consecutive fixture between them with a 90th minute plus wrong penalty call!
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Right then, wouldve been nice to have VAR in this Barca Valencia game eh...
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On November 27 2017 05:20 Rebs wrote:
Right then, wouldve been nice to have VAR in this Barca Valencia game eh...
Incredibly poor decision! Valencia should have scored immediately after as well, but Zaza was selfish.
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gif of what two above are talking about
https://imgtc.com/w/jqntYGo
Would have served time right tho to concede on counter, 4 players ignoring the game to yell at linesman
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Was hilarious indeed. Good game though, Valencia very solid team this season nice to see. Their stadium always had a special vibe to it, glad they get to be back fighting at the top.
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On November 27 2017 05:21 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2017 05:20 Rebs wrote:
Right then, wouldve been nice to have VAR in this Barca Valencia game eh... Incredibly poor decision! Valencia should have scored immediately after as well, but Zaza was selfish.
It was huge because the normally very engaging and free scoring team this season went full on Jose, and that goal woudve opened the game up.
Insead it was a cagey piece of garbage of a game from what are the two best attacking teams in the league this season. for the first half.
Second half was better because Valencia actually decided to give their wingers (the two best in the league this season Imo, the ball for once).
When this Valencia team plays with belief they are cracking.
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Valencia was so close to be 1 point below barça...
But anyway, I think Luiz Suarez is finished. He has not speed anymore and he is always offside. And I will not comment the blind refere, maybe VAR will fix this next season.
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On November 27 2017 07:32 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2017 05:21 city42 wrote:On November 27 2017 05:20 Rebs wrote:
Right then, wouldve been nice to have VAR in this Barca Valencia game eh... Incredibly poor decision! Valencia should have scored immediately after as well, but Zaza was selfish. It was huge because the normally very engaging and free scoring team this season went full on Jose, and that goal woudve opened the game up. Insead it was a cagey piece of garbage of a game from what are the two best attacking teams in the league this season. for the first half. Second half was better because Valencia actually decided to give their wingers (the two best in the league this season Imo, the ball for once). When this Valencia team plays with belief they are cracking.
Yeah Guedes and Soler have been great so far this season. Refs are human I suppose, but it was such an obvious goal...shades of Roy Carroll.
Had Zaza scored with that volley in the last seconds of stoppage time, the Mestalla might have caved in. Incredible atmosphere in the second half.
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Don't they have goal line technology in Spain? Anyway can't really blame the players for complaining that ball was way over the line lol.
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