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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 14 2017 11:59 GMT
#2381
Goal scoring seems to be an issue in the playoffs this year:

Results so far:
0-1
4-1 (Greece and Croatia ruining the list a bit here)
1-0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0-0

Since the remaining 3 games all had 0-0 in the first leg, some goals have to be scored there though.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2017 12:22 GMT
#2382
Oh wow yeah very close games then. Be funny if you kiss of death the remaining games and they all go 0-0 to penalties xD
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 12:25:50
November 14 2017 12:24 GMT
#2383
On November 14 2017 20:23 Pandemona wrote:
This is the worst Swedish team i can ever think of. There best player is Linedlof who doesn't even get on Yanited's bench now because he is actually awful. Other than its Forsberg who is average at best!

Italian team has Belotti/Immobile/ElSharaway and the best defenders consistancy wise in the last decade! To round it off they have Buffon who is just sheer class. Oh and Veratti plus DeRossi midfield isn't exactly medicore is it! Main issue is they played like trash in Sweden and lost 1-0 then at home they had like 27 shots! 27! Not one goal, that is madness. The manager is bad, he is the reason for this. Like said Conte had a weaker forward line (was literally just Eder!) in euro 2016 and beat Spain, and took world champions Germany to the brink. This guy Venture took Italy to being unable to score in a 2 legged tie vs Sweden who take away there 8-0 win were also poor in a group which has the worst Netherlands team in decades xD


Yeah that is why I am quite surprised Sweden made it if I'm honest. They weren't really good against us in either match, their home match we should have won (weird ref call aside, we had plenty of chances to win that game) and our second they obviously didn't try but we got past a wall of eleven men pretty easily nonetheless.

It's safe to say Venture is a worse coach than even Blind.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
November 14 2017 13:02 GMT
#2384
On November 14 2017 21:24 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 20:23 Pandemona wrote:
This is the worst Swedish team i can ever think of. There best player is Linedlof who doesn't even get on Yanited's bench now because he is actually awful. Other than its Forsberg who is average at best!

Italian team has Belotti/Immobile/ElSharaway and the best defenders consistancy wise in the last decade! To round it off they have Buffon who is just sheer class. Oh and Veratti plus DeRossi midfield isn't exactly medicore is it! Main issue is they played like trash in Sweden and lost 1-0 then at home they had like 27 shots! 27! Not one goal, that is madness. The manager is bad, he is the reason for this. Like said Conte had a weaker forward line (was literally just Eder!) in euro 2016 and beat Spain, and took world champions Germany to the brink. This guy Venture took Italy to being unable to score in a 2 legged tie vs Sweden who take away there 8-0 win were also poor in a group which has the worst Netherlands team in decades xD


Yeah that is why I am quite surprised Sweden made it if I'm honest. They weren't really good against us in either match, their home match we should have won (weird ref call aside, we had plenty of chances to win that game) and our second they obviously didn't try but we got past a wall of eleven men pretty easily nonetheless.

It's safe to say Venture is a worse coach than even Blind.

Ventura really only achievement is getting to Europa League with Torino,main reason he got that job is becuase he is close friend with Italian Football Federation president Tavecchio. I don't recall Blind having as ridiculous ideas as playing 4-2-4 with two holding midfielders.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
November 14 2017 13:28 GMT
#2385
On November 14 2017 22:02 lprk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 21:24 Ysellian wrote:
On November 14 2017 20:23 Pandemona wrote:
This is the worst Swedish team i can ever think of. There best player is Linedlof who doesn't even get on Yanited's bench now because he is actually awful. Other than its Forsberg who is average at best!

Italian team has Belotti/Immobile/ElSharaway and the best defenders consistancy wise in the last decade! To round it off they have Buffon who is just sheer class. Oh and Veratti plus DeRossi midfield isn't exactly medicore is it! Main issue is they played like trash in Sweden and lost 1-0 then at home they had like 27 shots! 27! Not one goal, that is madness. The manager is bad, he is the reason for this. Like said Conte had a weaker forward line (was literally just Eder!) in euro 2016 and beat Spain, and took world champions Germany to the brink. This guy Venture took Italy to being unable to score in a 2 legged tie vs Sweden who take away there 8-0 win were also poor in a group which has the worst Netherlands team in decades xD


Yeah that is why I am quite surprised Sweden made it if I'm honest. They weren't really good against us in either match, their home match we should have won (weird ref call aside, we had plenty of chances to win that game) and our second they obviously didn't try but we got past a wall of eleven men pretty easily nonetheless.

It's safe to say Venture is a worse coach than even Blind.

Ventura really only achievement is getting to Europa League with Torino,main reason he got that job is becuase he is close friend with Italian Football Federation president Tavecchio. I don't recall Blind having as ridiculous ideas as playing 4-2-4 with two holding midfielders.


is this 4-2-4 they ended up shaping up like yesterday after half time ? Because that one seemed quite justified at the time..
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2017 14:02 GMT
#2386
Haha Chelsea played 4-2-4 a few times chasing games last season too. It defo an Italian thing xD

But yeah ventura is defo the problem. De Rossi was telling the coach how to manage and who to sub on.

http://www.sportbible.com/football/news-reactions-legends-what-daniele-de-rossi-said-when-he-was-asked-to-warm-up-is-brilliant-20171113

Article that is in sport bible sums it up, which ofc is written like i would write it so it justifies my point :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
November 14 2017 14:35 GMT
#2387
And after he listened to De Rossi, Italy totally scored and qualified. Who knows, maybe De Rossi was the right choice after all. He has pretty good long shot.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
November 14 2017 14:35 GMT
#2388
On November 14 2017 22:28 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 22:02 lprk wrote:
On November 14 2017 21:24 Ysellian wrote:
On November 14 2017 20:23 Pandemona wrote:
This is the worst Swedish team i can ever think of. There best player is Linedlof who doesn't even get on Yanited's bench now because he is actually awful. Other than its Forsberg who is average at best!

Italian team has Belotti/Immobile/ElSharaway and the best defenders consistancy wise in the last decade! To round it off they have Buffon who is just sheer class. Oh and Veratti plus DeRossi midfield isn't exactly medicore is it! Main issue is they played like trash in Sweden and lost 1-0 then at home they had like 27 shots! 27! Not one goal, that is madness. The manager is bad, he is the reason for this. Like said Conte had a weaker forward line (was literally just Eder!) in euro 2016 and beat Spain, and took world champions Germany to the brink. This guy Venture took Italy to being unable to score in a 2 legged tie vs Sweden who take away there 8-0 win were also poor in a group which has the worst Netherlands team in decades xD


Yeah that is why I am quite surprised Sweden made it if I'm honest. They weren't really good against us in either match, their home match we should have won (weird ref call aside, we had plenty of chances to win that game) and our second they obviously didn't try but we got past a wall of eleven men pretty easily nonetheless.

It's safe to say Venture is a worse coach than even Blind.

Ventura really only achievement is getting to Europa League with Torino,main reason he got that job is becuase he is close friend with Italian Football Federation president Tavecchio. I don't recall Blind having as ridiculous ideas as playing 4-2-4 with two holding midfielders.


is this 4-2-4 they ended up shaping up like yesterday after half time ? Because that one seemed quite justified at the time..

Nah it was against Spain and Italy was completly overrun in miefield and forwards barely touched the ball.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 14:44:21
November 14 2017 14:43 GMT
#2389
On November 14 2017 23:35 lprk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 22:28 Rebs wrote:
On November 14 2017 22:02 lprk wrote:
On November 14 2017 21:24 Ysellian wrote:
On November 14 2017 20:23 Pandemona wrote:
This is the worst Swedish team i can ever think of. There best player is Linedlof who doesn't even get on Yanited's bench now because he is actually awful. Other than its Forsberg who is average at best!

Italian team has Belotti/Immobile/ElSharaway and the best defenders consistancy wise in the last decade! To round it off they have Buffon who is just sheer class. Oh and Veratti plus DeRossi midfield isn't exactly medicore is it! Main issue is they played like trash in Sweden and lost 1-0 then at home they had like 27 shots! 27! Not one goal, that is madness. The manager is bad, he is the reason for this. Like said Conte had a weaker forward line (was literally just Eder!) in euro 2016 and beat Spain, and took world champions Germany to the brink. This guy Venture took Italy to being unable to score in a 2 legged tie vs Sweden who take away there 8-0 win were also poor in a group which has the worst Netherlands team in decades xD


Yeah that is why I am quite surprised Sweden made it if I'm honest. They weren't really good against us in either match, their home match we should have won (weird ref call aside, we had plenty of chances to win that game) and our second they obviously didn't try but we got past a wall of eleven men pretty easily nonetheless.

It's safe to say Venture is a worse coach than even Blind.

Ventura really only achievement is getting to Europa League with Torino,main reason he got that job is becuase he is close friend with Italian Football Federation president Tavecchio. I don't recall Blind having as ridiculous ideas as playing 4-2-4 with two holding midfielders.


is this 4-2-4 they ended up shaping up like yesterday after half time ? Because that one seemed quite justified at the time..

Nah it was against Spain and Italy was completly overrun in miefield and forwards barely touched the ball.


oh yeah that game.. haha yes I remember now. That was pretty lol. Shit I forgot about that. In fairness that was their first qualifying loss since like forever.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18767 Posts
November 14 2017 15:00 GMT
#2390
On November 14 2017 23:02 Pandemona wrote:
Haha Chelsea played 4-2-4 a few times chasing games last season too. It defo an Italian thing xD

But yeah ventura is defo the problem. De Rossi was telling the coach how to manage and who to sub on.

http://www.sportbible.com/football/news-reactions-legends-what-daniele-de-rossi-said-when-he-was-asked-to-warm-up-is-brilliant-20171113

Article that is in sport bible sums it up, which ofc is written like i would write it so it justifies my point :D


Tbh subbing in De Rossi is never a mistake imo
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 15:28:40
November 14 2017 15:25 GMT
#2391
Apocalypse, how? The Italian Football Federation’s president, Carlo Tavecchio, had defined the prospect of missing out on the 2018 World Cup as a disaster of biblical proportions. Now the worst has come to pass, the Azzurri failing to qualify for the first time in 60 years after losing their playoff with Sweden. All that remains for a proud football nation is to analyse where it went wrong.

A partial answer could be found on the pitch at San Siro. Italy dominated Sweden with more than 75% of possession, yet lacked the subtlety to unpick a packed defence: pumping endless crosses into a penalty area where their opponents held a clear height advantage. A lack of nuance in the final third has been an ongoing problem for a team that has scored just three times in its last six competitive fixtures.

More revealing scenes, though, were playing out on the bench. Midway through the second half, a member of Italy’s coaching staff asked Daniele De Rossi to warm up. The midfielder reacted angrily, appearing to reply: “Why should I go on? We don’t need a draw, we need a win.”

His words were accompanied by a gesture in the direction of Lorenzo Insigne. De Rossi would later explain that he was making a broader point about the need for attackers, rather than seeking to single any individual out, yet many will wonder how the Napoli forward could be overlooked by manager Gian Piero Ventura.

Insigne is a man in the prime of his career, one who scored 18 league goals from the left wing for Napoli last season and almost reached double-digits for assists as well. He is the only Italian valued at over €100m by the CIES football observatory, and yet never made it onto the pitch on Monday – after making only the briefest of cameos in the first leg.

Nobody who has followed Ventura’s career could even be all that surprised. It is not that he underrates Insigne so much as that the manager is extraordinarily rigid in his selection process: a man fixated on square pegs and square holes. Insigne is a wide forward, and Italy were lined up in a 3-5-2. Therefore, there was no space available.

Ventura had sought to make room earlier in the qualifying campaign, sending his team out in a 4-2-4 and later a 3-4-3. The first formation was made to look wildly naive during a 3-0 thrashing by Spain in Madrid, while the latter yielded only a 1-1 draw at home to Macedonia.

It might actually have been player power that provoked a retreat, with veteran stars arranging a team meeting independent of the coaching staff after the latter result. Reports at the time suggested they were agitating for a return to the more familiar 3-5-2.

That formation had been used to great effect by Antonio Conte at Euro 2016, but the truth is that all these numbers become meaningless without a coherent plan. Italy were fluid under the now Chelsea manager, a dynamic shape-shifting collective. Under Ventura, the connections between defence, midfield and attack have all but disappeared.

The fact that players felt compelled to meet without him might itself offer evidence – supplemented by De Rossi’s pitchside rebellion – of a lack of faith in his ability to lead them. Ventura’s coaching CV was always a modest one, when compared to his predecessors in the role. The biggest club he ever coached was Torino, whom he took to the Europa League in 2014.

In some sense, that was a part of his appeal. Prior to Euro 2016, Conte had always seemed restless as Italy manager – too young and too brilliant not to miss the week-to-week intensity of club football. Ventura was 68 when he took the job, and knew it was likely to be the greatest he ever held. He was perceived to have the right temperament to hang around and bring through the next generation of talent, and for a substantially lower salary, too.


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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2017 16:39 GMT
#2392
On November 15 2017 00:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 23:02 Pandemona wrote:
Haha Chelsea played 4-2-4 a few times chasing games last season too. It defo an Italian thing xD

But yeah ventura is defo the problem. De Rossi was telling the coach how to manage and who to sub on.

http://www.sportbible.com/football/news-reactions-legends-what-daniele-de-rossi-said-when-he-was-asked-to-warm-up-is-brilliant-20171113

Article that is in sport bible sums it up, which ofc is written like i would write it so it justifies my point :D


Tbh subbing in De Rossi is never a mistake imo

It is when you are having 27 shots in the game and one of the most informed players is on the bench not playing! Insignie is part of that great Napoli team that is topping Serie A and caused Man City a few problems when playing them in which Pep showered praise on the team. Surely a fast paced, in form winger who has 6 goals this term already is a good shout to put in to help score.
Other than De Rossi who is a defensive midfielder who is better at winning the ball back and laying it off short XD
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
November 14 2017 17:04 GMT
#2393
whether or not wanting to sub on de rossi was a smart choice or not, I think the concept of a benched player going 'why the fuck are you subbing on me???' is hilarious.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
November 14 2017 21:13 GMT
#2394
And Denmark gonna make it too! hooray!
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
November 14 2017 21:38 GMT
#2395
Should have thrown my money on 1-5. Who could have known? lol
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
November 14 2017 23:10 GMT
#2396
Lord Bendtner is going to Russia! Truly the greatest player ever...

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In all seriousness: what a game by Eriksen -
sorry about that Ireland
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
November 14 2017 23:10 GMT
#2397
Awesome winning 1-5 against Irland. Crazy to watch Eriksen hattrick with three such super goals and making 11 goals total in the qualifier. Think he is going to Russia afterwards to Barca.
GO OG
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 15 2017 02:07 GMT
#2398
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 15 2017 02:33 GMT
#2399
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
November 15 2017 02:48 GMT
#2400
not familiar with the bribery charges but suicide seems like a pretty drastic way to deal with it
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