MAJOR AWARDS KIA Sixth Man of the Year Eric Gordon NBA Cares Community Assist Award Isaiah Thomas Twyman-Stokes Teammate of the Year Dirk Nowitzki Sportsmanship Award Kemba Walker KIA Most Improved Player of the Year Giannis Antetokounmpo Executive of the Year Bob Myers Coach of the Year Mike D'Antoni KIA Defensive Player of the Year Draymond Green KIA Most Valuable Player Russell Westbrook
FAN AWARDS Assist of the Year Stephen Curry and Draymond Green Block of the Year Kawhi Leonard Best Style Award Russell Westbrook Dunk of the Year Victor Oladipo Game Winner of the Year Russell Westbrook Performance of the Year Klay Thompson Best Playoff Moment Kevin Durant
SPECIAL AWARDS Lifetime Achievement Award Bill Russell Sager Strong Award Monty Williams
On June 27 2017 10:00 xwoGworwaTsx wrote: "Its been 10 years. Other people do it. You misunderstand me. Here read the website. Im not sure if its X, Y or Z. Here is a name, so believe me. Its just a hobby. " TROLLOLOLLOLOL.
here is ur question.
On June 27 2017 08:57 xwoGworwaTsx wrote: 3. Why is your version of APM better than all the other variations?
i never said my APM stat i made in 2007 ( by using someone else's published work) was better than guys that have been paid for the last 15 years from 2002 to 20017 to create improvements on APM. its a ridiculous claim. and i never made that claim.
u think something i made in 2007 would be better than licensed product Engelmann sells to ESPN?
Most Valuable Player G: Russell Westbrook (OKC) Runner-Ups: James Harden (HOU), Kawhi Leonard (SAS), LeBron James (CLE), Stephen Curry (GSW), Isaiah Thomas (BOS)
Rookie of the Year F: Dario Saric (PHI) Runner-Ups: Joel Embiid (PHI), Malcolm Brogdon (MIL), Buddy Hield (SAC), Jaylen Brown (BOS)
Coach of the Year Mike D'Antoni (HOU) Runner-Ups: Brad Stevens (BOS), Erik Spoelstra (MIA), Gregg Popovich (SAS)
Most Improved Player F: Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) Runner-Ups: Nikola Jokic (DEN), Rudy Gobert (UTA), Isaiah Thomas (BOS)
Sixth Man of the Year G: Eric Gordon (HOU) Runner-Ups: Lou Williams (HOU), Andre Iguodala (GSW), Enes Kanter (OKC)
Defensive Player of the Year C: Rudy Gobert (UTA) Runner-Ups: Draymond Green (GSW), Kawhi Leonard (SAS)
What is this?? Brogdon just won RotY. Pretty sure the complete award voting results won't be released until the winners are announced.
Arbitrary stat-line achieved through padding and a meh record apparently gets MVP. Really thought media voters would have more integrity but I guess hype and Trump america doesn't value precedence, efficiency or defense.
On June 27 2017 08:54 ZenithM wrote: I did called him out on that one :D.
If you take away that faux pas, his point is still reasonable. Kawhi is great and Green is pretty good, but they are not filled with amazing defensive players. It's their team D that makes them strong.
I can see why Silver NBA would deem an awards show necessary. Their most prestigious awards indeed deserve a posh and special evening, in contrast to the traditional method of being just announced in the middle of a game with the MVP profusely sweltering while receiving the award. The problem is that it is far too removed from the regular season that all the drama and thunder is already stale.
Maybe they can move it somewhere between rounds 1 and 2 next year, Surely a couple of weeks is enough to prepare for the event. All in all, solid 8/10.
On June 27 2017 12:20 Scarecrow wrote: Arbitrary stat-line achieved through padding and a meh record apparently gets MVP. Really thought media voters would have more integrity but I guess hype and Trump america doesn't value precedence, efficiency or defense.
The RW MVP vote makes sense in the present sports zeitgeist. When you have an anomaly year of Lebron breaking stats no matter how arbitrary or padded, and players breaking the mold like Giannis and KD, it's hard to deny a historically statistical anomaly of a season that RW just had, regardless of context.
Kawhi is a transcendental 2-way powerhouse, but we had that already in Jordan and Kobe. Harden is a lethal scoring genius who serves as the grand conductor of his entire teams offense. That is not unique as well. What Westbrook did this season is historical, and has only happened once before in the league, and it happened so long ago when the game was so young still that the it was easier to accomplish then. But no one remembers that. All that matters is that is was a historical triple-double season. The same is true for Westbrook. Ten or twenty years from now, no one will remember the details - that he bankrupted his teams defense, he semi-blocked a teammate to get his 10th rebound, he drained any offensive energy away from his teammates, his stat chasing practically destroyed his team, all in the pursuit of a season triple double average.
I'm not saying it is the correct vote. But the Westbrook MVP is representative of where NBA is right now.
I dont like the mvp award to RW. I understand MVP has something to do with the team youre playing on and that there is some kind of inconsistency in how it is decided (you cant get it more than three times, you have to stay healthy the whole season etc.). But I'm positive there is not a single coach in the NBA who would rather have RW play for him than LeBron, KD, Kawhi Leonard or maybe even Paul George, James Harden or Kyrie Irving.
On another note. I saw CP3 got voted into the all defensive first team. Is he that good on defense? I know hes got good hands and fights hard but he is so small! Hard to believe he is a + player on defence in the NBA.
On the one hand, I find it kind of funny that Harden and Westbrook aren't even top 4 best players in the league. On the other hand, I like that this is a "best season" award, or, at least, best story award. I don't like the idea that we just give the award to whoever is "the best player" regardless of how they played that year.
On June 27 2017 16:39 Elroi wrote: [...] On another note. I saw CP3 got voted into the all defensive first team. Is he that good on defense? I know hes got good hands and fights hard but he is so small! Hard to believe he is a + player on defence in the NBA.
For what it's worth, CP3 is the number 1 guard in term of DRPM (which JimmyJ said is just the defensive oriented xRAPM?), and by quite a huge margin. For me the eye test confirms that he's still an amazing defender (I watch a lot of Portland's games, I always feel bad for Lillard when he plays vs CP3). He's one of the very few players who combines constant elite 1on1 defense, with the amount of effort it requires, and great team defense IQ.
But I'll say this. If you're constantly playing with the same set of dudes, and those dudes are not playing with anyone else themselves, it's quite easy to fool APM/RPM/xAPM/whatever. And my feeling is that CP3 shares a lot of his minutes with DeAndre Jordan and Luc Mbah-a-Moute and it's boosting that number (those are also coincidentally 2 players that woudn't do anything offensively if CP3 wasn't on the court). When 3 players all share the court exactly at the same time, they become essentially the same 3 guys in the face of this type of lineup-adjusted metrics. That being said, CP3 is also number 3 in steals per game. The All-Defensive First is legit.
As for MVP I think Westbrook deserves it. "A for Effort" kind of thing :D. I would have been also fine with Harden as the other stat-sheet stuffing storyline MVP. But as Jerubaal said, especially after the off-season it's quite clear these 2 don't belong at the very top.
Yeah, I've been trying to think about APM and I don't see how you can get past the niggle that there's only so much info. If every player did play with every other player it would be one thing, but players only play with whoever's on their team.
Myself I don't really understand the craze for advanced analytics. If you're just a fan, I don't see a near-future where these numbers matter. They aren't going to become barber-shop talk material anytime soon (imagine that: "Kobe is outside my top 20 all-time because of that VORP dawg!"). And awards are not decided on their basis (case in point, these awards). If you're a professional, a scout or a coach, then this would obviously seem like a good set of extra tools to use to prepare better. But what good are aggregate numbers like WS/VORP/whateverPM? JimmyJ says it's good at identifying the very best and very worst players, and I think that's fair. Problem is, we don't really need metrics for that :D. You can make some mistakes, but overall the top players are quite clearly identified. And for all the other players, what you need is understand WHY they bring some value or not when they're on the court, you don't really need that single number.
On June 27 2017 16:39 Elroi wrote: I dont like the mvp award to RW. I understand MVP has something to do with the team youre playing on and that there is some kind of inconsistency in how it is decided (you cant get it more than three times, you have to stay healthy the whole season etc.). But I'm positive there is not a single coach in the NBA who would rather have RW play for him than LeBron, KD, Kawhi Leonard or maybe even Paul George, James Harden or Kyrie Irving.
On another note. I saw CP3 got voted into the all defensive first team. Is he that good on defense? I know hes got good hands and fights hard but he is so small! Hard to believe he is a + player on defence in the NBA.
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