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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
However... La Liga are planning on taking FIFA to court to stop the World Cup expanding to 48 teams. A senior source at the Spanish League says they will do everything possible to reverse the FIFA Council's decision to increase the size of the tournament from 32 to 48 teams. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:44 Pandemona wrote: Ok so i miss read the new format, it 16 groups of 3 into 32 team knock out single elimination ok :D However... They also threatened to sue/block/tantrum the winter world cup. Same tactic now, they just want a sizable slice of the projected 500 million more this is supposed to net. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4025 Posts
![[image loading]](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1yy9ExXEAAxrbX.jpg) Note it's not final yet, but close. But this looks terrible. Only 3 more for Europe? In the FIFA World Ranking (yes I know those suck) you'll find 18 European countries before you get to the first Asian country and 20 European countries before the first African. Realistically #17 in Europe is on par with the best from those continents too. I'm all in favor of making this a global event, but the way it is currently is more than enough. Free qualification for Japan, Korea, Australia and USA every 4 years...while Africa is just a lottery since none of them have any tactics. /rant | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On January 11 2017 03:15 aseq wrote: Just read this is going to be the new way the spots are distributed amongst the continents: Note it's not final yet, but close. But this looks terrible. Only 3 more for Europe? In the FIFA World Ranking (yes I know those suck) you'll find 18 European countries before you get to the first Asian country and 20 European countries before the first African. Realistically #17 in Europe is on par with the best from those continents too. I'm all in favor of making this a global event, but the way it is currently is more than enough. Free qualification for Japan, Korea, Australia and USA every 4 years...while Africa is just a lottery since none of them have any tactics. /rant At least Asia and Africa actually have lots of football-playing nations. The +3 for Concacaf is what boggles my mind. Mexico, USA +2 seemed like a pretty fair deal so far. Costa Rica did surprisingly well, but Trinidad and Tobago and Panama are the only other two I can remember qualifying, and they were pretty awful. I guess they really really really want to give Canada a shot at participating, but do we really want 3 more of those teams? At least African teams are usually entertaining. 6 for South America. Just let the whole continent participate already :D | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:39 Pandemona wrote: Yeah Asia get 8.5 so that is just giving them enough spots so China can qualify or what? African teams are annoying in World Cup due to they are normally so insanely fit and used to playing in intense heat that they end up giving any team a good game due to being able to play 10 behind the ball and work so hard for the whole game. Are you kidding? African teams are the most disappointing ones in each world cup. Asian teams usually surprise/upset at least one European country. African teams get more hype than England each WC and crasher harder than them. That's a massive feat. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On January 11 2017 03:42 Acrofales wrote: At least Asia and Africa actually have lots of football-playing nations. The +3 for Concacaf is what boggles my mind. Mexico, USA +2 seemed like a pretty fair deal so far. Costa Rica did surprisingly well, but Trinidad and Tobago and Panama are the only other two I can remember qualifying, and they were pretty awful. I guess they really really really want to give Canada a shot at participating, but do we really want 3 more of those teams? At least African teams are usually entertaining. 6 for South America. Just let the whole continent participate already :D There are some rumours I read about a potentail unification of CONCAF and CONMEBOL (I'm hoping the new federation will be called CON-FUSION). What I really would like to see is that (some of) the additional spots will not be given to any particular confederation, but that they are decided by intercontinental playoffs. Of course, that's probably never going to happen, but it could greatly reduce people whining that some continents get more spots than they should. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:24 sharkie wrote: Are you kidding? African teams are the most disappointing ones in each world cup. Asian teams usually surprise/upset at least one European country. African teams get more hype than England each WC and crasher harder than them. That's a massive feat. Im quite confident that the last two world cups, group stage games taken into account as well that African teams have at least out performed the Asian side. 2014 Ghana drew 2-2 with Germany and then proceeded to not even make it out of the group lol. I just think they are always super fit and give tough game because they are not good technically but a decent coach can get them into 2 banks of 4 rather easily. Like Japan could do that too, but they don't because they want and like to play football and move the ball quickly and are much better technically. However Ghana have been further than Japan in the last two World Cups for example. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
I get it from the spectator's point of view you want a quality tournament but same argument could be made for the Olympics where the rest of the world should just fuck off and let the United States and China, Russia and a handful of countries to battle it out. I mean I personally don't mind more teams, if that's going to promote football as a whole. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
Also what happens if multiple countries host the WC? They were implying that WC would not have just one host anymore, to spread the risks of hosting. Then all the countries are invited? Then they have to change the number of qualified teams for each region? Canada/US/Mexico in 2016, then who qualifies in CONCACAF? xD | ||
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On January 11 2017 16:58 Espers wrote: Stupid. They already ruined the Euros this way by letting weak nations have a free ride. Just curious: define weak nations please | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On January 11 2017 09:43 nayumi wrote: Ehm... so correct me if i'm wrong but the new format won't necessarily increase the number of games to reach the final right? (7 games if I recall correctly?). If so what's going to be Spain or any other football federation main counter argument against (possibly) a shit load of more money from sponsorship (imagine if China goes to the W.C, the amount of money FIFA will generate from this market alone)? I get it from the spectator's point of view you want a quality tournament but same argument could be made for the Olympics where the rest of the world should just fuck off and let the United States and China, Russia and a handful of countries to battle it out. I mean I personally don't mind more teams, if that's going to promote football as a whole. FA's consist of their countries clubs right? Why would clubs care about FIFA making money? All they see is the players they're paying a shit ton of money go to a tournament for a.month and get back overworked / injured. I can see some associations being against this. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On January 11 2017 18:13 Pandemona wrote: Yeah but like he said there is no extra games which i thought there was but there isn't. So how can you complain it is hard, the only complaint i have seen so far is "there is nothing wrong with the 32 team tournament, why change it" but how can Europe complain of that when we just changed the Euros to 24 teams and soon to be 32. Really? The biggest complaint is that they got rid of the group stage in Ro32. The best part of all big tournaments | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On January 11 2017 07:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: I hope this gets repealed if only because China doesn't deserve to get a free trip to WC. I imagine it's the same for a lot of other countries in competitive regions. We already have vastly outclassed teams in the WC every year. Unless china improves a lot, even at 8.5 spots they probably wont qualify. On January 11 2017 11:29 WillyWanker wrote: I heard Perez and Bartomeu are all for the new format, so I don't know what weight La Liga will have in this anyway... Also what happens if multiple countries host the WC? They were implying that WC would not have just one host anymore, to spread the risks of hosting. Then all the countries are invited? Then they have to change the number of qualified teams for each region? Canada/US/Mexico in 2016, then who qualifies in CONCACAF? xD Remember costa rica in 2014? Same as china, canada probably wont make it even with the increased number of spots available. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On January 11 2017 18:11 RvB wrote: FA's consist of their countries clubs right? Why would clubs care about FIFA making money? All they see is the players they're paying a shit ton of money go to a tournament for a.month and get back overworked / injured. I can see some associations being against this. Well I think you missed my point  I get if if clubs are against the World Cup, or any other tournament of similar kind for that matter. But I don't get why clubs would be against the new format (48 vs 32 teams) since they number of games will be exactly the same. One thing I can see is that perhaps a 48-team tournament would drag on longer, which would result in less rest time for players before a new tournament (though is this confirmed or will they make it work so that more games will be played in a day to not extend the overall duration?).Quality wise though, the last round of the group stage is now replaced with a knock-out Ro32. That and the fact there are only 2 games during the group stages will definitely make teams play more seriously in all of their games (less chance to overcome their initial fuck-up). I personally find it more entertaining this way. | ||
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