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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On February 02 2019 03:57 mordek wrote: Is there any downside to regularly squatting with sleeves? Similar to the logic to only use belt for heavy reps so you keep training your core/bracing? https://www.strongerbyscience.com/the-belt-bible/ Training with a belt likely results in as much if not more core activation as training without one. There are reasons for powerlifters and other athletes to do beltless variations, but to build a stronger core is not one of them. That said, I can't think of any good reason not to wear sleeves. Wraps, sure, but not sleeves. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
I wouldn't worry about squat sleeves, especially for someone already pretty strong. It's not like there's some real world situation where you need to be able to squat over 400 lbs without sleeves and not being able to use them will throw you off. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
Dr. Stuart McGill, a (or the) foremost expert on spinal biomechanics, recommends against the use of a belt in most cases, even for lifters. He states that to get the maximum effect out of a belt, it requires spinal flexion to take advantage of “elastic recoil of a bent torso that is stiffened with a belt. However, if a neutral spine is preserved throughout the lift, this effect is minimal. In other words, to obtain the maximal effect from a belt, the lifter must lift poorly and in a way that exposed the back to a much higher risk of injury!” If you are a person who is pretty strong, and wants to get stronger, you are going to take advantage of the belt, whether you know that you are deliberately doing that or not. You just want to get the weight up when you have 500+ lbs on your back. You aren't concerned with whether your spine is neutral no matter how much of a form perfectionist you think you are. So if you are a low-bar squatter, with a lot of torque on your spine (compared to say, an olympic level, upright, high-bar squat), the belt reduces your proprioception of your spine, and helps cope with what becomes routine spinal flexion during these near-max lift attempts. This is fine until it's not. Until you feel something slip and tweak your back. The author dismisses this argument, despite very nearly validating it in his linking of the Long De Cheng video. In my personal experience, belts definitely let you lift more weight, and do increase IAP, but they emphasize core muscles that push out against the belt, and lead you to neglect muscles critical for spinal stability, like the TVA. Belts tend to overload these outer muscles (straining the QLs or the rectus abdominus when deadlifting or squatting is an indicator this is happening). Or to put it another way. Belts are probably positive on any single lift attempt. But over the long run I think they lead to greater injury risk, depending on lift. This is another way of saying that the more you push your limits, the greater the injury risk. Any powerlifter knows this and accepts this. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4728 Posts
Though I am still really not good at this sport. Saturday I went 7/9 with 212.5kg / 132.5kg and 230kg @112.9kg. I really hope the state championships in May are gonna be better... just keep on grinding away at those lifts. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20063 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4728 Posts
And dude, if you could Bench more, that would like, dude, totally help your C&J. On a more serious note, I Hope you get Healthy again and get a PR down the Road. | ||
zatic
Zurich15353 Posts
I am yearning to get strong again. After years of playing along my insured knee is not cooperating with squatting anymore  It feels like my left one is working mechanically different that my right one, resulting in a sideways S-shape movement up and down the squat. Haven't figured out how to fix this | ||
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decafchicken
United States20063 Posts
On February 12 2019 15:42 Malinor wrote: But you have the Most gorgeous squats on the planet. Next stop is definitely the 500Squat. And dude, if you could Bench more, that would like, dude, totally help your C&J. On a more serious note, I Hope you get Healthy again and get a PR down the Road. haha quit trying to trick me into benching! Finally getting a bit more functional, squatting and pulling around 170kg now and mostly pain free. Starting to work the Sn/CJ back in as well. Competing at the Arnold in a few weeks but am only shooting for an ~80% total and just doin it for fun | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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CoupdeBoule
73 Posts
Perfectly well-hydrated, well-rest and didnt take more than 2 x 1.5 times BW deadlifts with 20 seconds between them Im very pleased with form on both lifts - first one felt amazingly easy; second one left me dizzy Anyway just felt like sharing; none of my real life friends or family members would get it Have a nice day everyone  | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On March 02 2019 12:36 infinity21 wrote: Been working out on and off for years. My squat and DL are back to beginner levels (235x6 and 305x6) but at least I'm benching 210x6 and chin ups at bw+45x6. Started eating really unhealthy and got up to 180 lbs but lost a few since then. Glad to see you're still at it infinity. I'm also trying to regain my previous lifts | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On March 08 2019 06:29 mordek wrote: Glad to see you're still at it infinity. I'm also trying to regain my previous lifts Come back to Fitocracy! Don't see any TL peeps anymore | ||
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decafchicken
United States20063 Posts
On March 02 2019 12:36 infinity21 wrote: Been working out on and off for years. My squat and DL are back to beginner levels (235x6 and 305x6) but at least I'm benching 210x6 and chin ups at bw+45x6. Started eating really unhealthy and got up to 180 lbs but lost a few since then. My snatch and CJ are back up to beginner numbers too! woohoo | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On March 08 2019 11:40 infinity21 wrote: Come back to Fitocracy! Don't see any TL peeps anymore I like seeing the history and the achievements are kinda cool but it's hard to muster the effort to record workouts multiple places. I did a hypertrophy program through BodySpace which was my first time doing something like that and I did get some results. I started Smolov last month and that's going pretty well. I ended up threading upper body hypertrophy in between my squat days and despite that sounding stupid it's been working pretty well for me. Obviously my Smolov % must be lower than they could be but that's fine, the numbers are going back to where they used to be and I'm getting swole. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdXt9IHXH16khzT5sBVzntLLWHNua0SZL | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On March 16 2019 04:05 IgnE wrote: What was frustrating about it? Looks good to me I had a lot more trouble unracking and walking out than I expected. I'd been feeling pretty tight and braced the whole cycle but I know max weights is where things break down so that's ok. Felt like I lost all my cues which again is expected but I was hoping to be more locked in if that makes sense. Is that an acceptable amount of valgus on set 1? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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