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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
December 12 2014 00:32 GMT
#1161
He's not a good fit at Houston. They need bench depth and a guy like Paul milsap.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-12 00:33:58
December 12 2014 00:33 GMT
#1162
With regards to the Harden vs Klay comparison, what do you all think of the whole scarcity of superstar players argument as reason for why Harden is more valuable/higher ranked/etc.?

I think most people would agree that Harden is a viable #1 player on a championship-contending team, or at least significantly more capable of filling that role than Klay, who I think most would agree is better as a #2 or #3 player. While there is certainly a lot of value in having a very good 2-way wing with good size and athleticism, does that outweigh the value of a wing that can carry a team's entire offense while not hurting you on defense? After all, the number of players that can actually carry an entire team is pretty small and that role is arguably more essential to winning a championship than a Klay-type player.

One example that comes to mind is Dirk. His skill on offense and ability to carry a team on any given night is what allowed the Mavs to achieve all of the postseason success the Mavs have had over the years. What eventually got the Mavs over the hump and got them their championship was finding the right pieces around Dirk and building a good enough team defense. Those role players were essential and are arguably hard to find, but the essential piece from which everything starts is the franchise player, i.e. Dirk. In that way, Dirk is more valuable than a very good 2-way PF, such as Horford or Aldridge.

I would say Harden is close to being a Dirk-level type of player, which would make him one of the most valuable and scarce players in the league. That would place him a tier above Klay, because Klay is likely not ever going to be the type of player that can carry a team on his own, or even have an offense run through him. Fortunately, the Warriors have Curry for that, which makes Klay very valuable to them in terms of fit. But if you're talking about objective, general value, I think Harden is a step above.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 12 2014 00:45 GMT
#1163
i don't think #1 option etc are straightforward strictly superior relations. question of value in real world trades has to involve looking at specific roster construction and team needs. with that said, harden is still more valuable as long as he can keep running to the basket and get 2 free throws without intending to shoot.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-12 01:16:25
December 12 2014 01:14 GMT
#1164
Talks of Ray Allen and the Dubs. Hmm

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/myers-warriors-reached-out-ray-allens-representation

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2124053-ray-allen-rumors-latest-buzz-and-speculation-surrounding-free-agent-guard?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 01:44 GMT
#1165
On December 12 2014 09:32 RowdierBob wrote:
He's not a good fit at Houston. They need bench depth and a guy like Paul milsap.


yep. but millsap is untouchable =[
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 12 2014 02:10 GMT
#1166
After all their injuries, the Thunder are not in bad shape for the playoffs at all. Between IT2's injury, the Suns struggling in general, Cousins getting meningitis and the Pelicans' horrible backcourt play, they are only 3 games out of the 8th spot in the west.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 03:57 GMT
#1167
Rockets not winning this game, look absolutely exhausted
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 12 2014 04:11 GMT
#1168
durant not playing like himself, but reggie jackson does create a lot of space for westgoat to drive. once durant is up to speed again OKC should be gud.

lebron knee though, a real problem.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
December 12 2014 05:56 GMT
#1169
On December 12 2014 12:57 Doraemon wrote:
Rockets not winning this game, look absolutely exhausted


Lets hope they win for my wallet's sake
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 06:32 GMT
#1170
james...harden...just wow...this guy is not the same guy as last year. so much heart
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
December 12 2014 06:38 GMT
#1171
those 3's lol
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
December 12 2014 06:39 GMT
#1172
the west is just so brutal....
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 06:40 GMT
#1173
wow...what the hell...
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 06:41 GMT
#1174
heart attack man...seriously.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
December 12 2014 06:43 GMT
#1175
If collison made that last 3pointer i woulda been out 1grand -_-
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
December 12 2014 06:44 GMT
#1176
14/32, 3/10 3ps, 13-15 fts, 4 rebs, 8 assists, 3 steals, 1 block, 2 TOs, 44pts
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 06:47 GMT
#1177
On December 12 2014 15:44 icystorage wrote:
14/32, 3/10 3ps, 13-15 fts, 4 rebs, 8 assists, 3 steals, 1 block, 2 TOs, 44pts


this is i think klay is not "close" to harden. klay fits really well in gs and good for him and the warriors, but this game shows why harden is a freaken beast.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
December 12 2014 07:18 GMT
#1178
inside the nba crew is on fire tonight jesus
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 12 2014 07:47 GMT
#1179
what happened?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
December 12 2014 07:57 GMT
#1180
normal hilarious banter taken to the next level, plus a ridiculous guest appearance by the rock. really glad i stayed up for this lol
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