EPT2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 831
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Painmaker
Uruguay230 Posts
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Rokomish
United States68 Posts
Geiger (the ref) is arguably the best in the federation and actually reffed at the WC and acquitted himself pretty well. Mex vs Panama was always going to be impossible to get totally right with all the shenanigans they get into. Were all his calls spot on? Of course not. But were any totally inexcusable (taking into account he's seeing this all in real time)? I don't think so. Also, re: USA game, I really do think we played well enough to win, we just... didn't (derrrrr). Two mental errors got punished and we couldn't convert our chances. For 80 minutes the USA was by far the better team, just in those 10 minutes of derp, they gave up 2 goals, and Jamaica held their defensive shape well in the second half. You see games just like that one every week in the Prem (albeit with a much higher level of play). People are making a huge deal out of the loss, but Jam is a much improved team, and the USA isn't actually that good yet (maybe by WC 18 we'll get there). | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 24 2015 06:06 Rokomish wrote: All in all I dont think the reffing this Gold Cup has been any better or worse than usual CONCACAF standard. Just over the last year or so, it seems like the world has decided to embark on a "OMG ALL REFS ARE HORRIBAD" crusade, so it's getting an inordinate amount of scrutiny. Geiger (the ref) is arguably the best in the federation and actually reffed at the WC and acquitted himself pretty well. Mex vs Panama was always going to be impossible to get totally right with all the shenanigans they get into. Were all his calls spot on? Of course not. But were any totally inexcusable (taking into account he's seeing this all in real time)? I don't think so. Also, re: USA game, I really do think we played well enough to win, we just... didn't (derrrrr). Two mental errors got punished and we couldn't convert our chances. For 80 minutes the USA was by far the better team, just in those 10 minutes of derp, they gave up 2 goals, and Jamaica held their defensive shape well in the second half. You see games just like that one every week in the Prem (albeit with a much higher level of play). People are making a huge deal out of the loss, but Jam is a much improved team, and the USA isn't actually that good yet (maybe by WC 18 we'll get there). This is the only person in this discussion so far who sounds like he has actually seen the games and doesnt have an opinion based on video clips, vines and agenda driven game reporting. Thank you. I didnt watch the tournament personally so I honestly have like nothing to say about it, but the discussion has been quite entertaining from this particular perspective. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On July 24 2015 06:06 Rokomish wrote: All in all I dont think the reffing this Gold Cup has been any better or worse than usual CONCACAF standard. Just over the last century or so, it seems like the world has decided to embark on a "OMG ALL REFS ARE HORRIBAD" crusade, so it's getting an inordinate amount of scrutiny. + Show Spoiler + Geiger (the ref) is arguably the best in the federation and actually reffed at the WC and acquitted himself pretty well. Mex vs Panama was always going to be impossible to get totally right with all the shenanigans they get into. Were all his calls spot on? Of course not. But were any totally inexcusable (taking into account he's seeing this all in real time)? I don't think so. Also, re: USA game, I really do think we played well enough to win, we just... didn't (derrrrr). Two mental errors got punished and we couldn't convert our chances. For 80 minutes the USA was by far the better team, just in those 10 minutes of derp, they gave up 2 goals, and Jamaica held their defensive shape well in the second half. You see games just like that one every week in the Prem (albeit with a much higher level of play). People are making a huge deal out of the loss, but Jam is a much improved team, and the USA isn't actually that good yet (maybe by WC 18 we'll get there). ftfy. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Also the red card was neither violent nor excessive force. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Already getting the next 30k ready to show them "en masse" in San Siro :D Big fuck you to UEFA. | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On July 24 2015 17:02 Salteador Neo wrote: Barça was fined with 30.000€ for the independentist flags in the CL finals. UEFA got into politics or someone wanted to repaint his ship before the holidays? You can actually see illegal flags like the fascist spanish or the nazi ones in the Bernabeu week in and out. Already getting the next 30k ready to show them "en masse" in San Siro :D Big fuck you to UEFA. Polish teams were regularly fined in the last 2 decades for nationalistic fines by UEFA so it's really nothing new. Legia was even fined with spectator ban for a flag that Vilnius belongs to Poland few years ago. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On July 24 2015 17:30 lprk wrote: Polish teams were regularly fined in the last 2 decades for nationalistic fines by UEFA so it's really nothing new. Legia was even fined with spectator ban for a flag that Vilnius belongs to Poland few years ago. I thought this was the first case in a CL game? So it is new. Anyway, repeating bs moves doesn't make them right. Uefa mafia is a shame to the football world. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18383 Posts
On July 24 2015 18:07 Salteador Neo wrote: I thought this was the first case in a CL game? So it is new. Anyway, repeating bs moves doesn't make them right. Uefa mafia is a shame to the football world. No, it is consistent with the other federations  | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Pretty sure protesting inside a stadium in what Barcelona people are doing right? Is not allowed on football as it draws attention to a debate via football which football doesn't want to get involved with xD | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On July 24 2015 18:37 Pandemona wrote: Government issues not allowed in football has been rule 1 since dawn of FIFA/UEFA no? If Government ever gets involved with football the country is instantly suspended from football. Pretty sure protesting inside a stadium in what Barcelona people are doing right? Is not allowed on football as it draws attention to a debate via football which football doesn't want to get involved with xD Surely you are just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it, and/or maybe because you hate Barça. Can't possibly agree with UEFA here. Otherwise I'll just be sad that you are the "football guru" here and then move on with life lol. This weekend most Barcelona people will be enjoying sweet beach, me included :3 | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On July 24 2015 18:37 Pandemona wrote: Government issues not allowed in football has been rule 1 since dawn of FIFA/UEFA no? If Government ever gets involved with football the country is instantly suspended from football. Pretty sure protesting inside a stadium in what Barcelona people are doing right? Is not allowed on football as it draws attention to a debate via football which football doesn't want to get involved with xD That is a basic rule and I know that it applies to banners that have been prominently hung up, but how do you realistically want to stop people from displaying flags? Way to easy to hide them. I did think they would fine Barca/Pique for planting the Catalan flag though, did that happen already? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Why hasn't Real Madrid got fined for there shit? Simple, because it wasn't in an UEFA match, when it happens in domestic league it is a problem for the Spanish FA who we already know are corrupt and crap due to the huge ass support for the idiot that is Sepp Blatter from the main man in charge. If you cannot see what is wrong with this then you never will but everyone else can see the justified fine. You realize if Barcelona went independent it would be years before the club would get its UEFA membership? Probably would get kicked from LA Liga and have to find another domestic league to play in as well. Also just reading the report Barcelona were lucky not to get partial stadium closure ban and bigger fine, so if anything they got off "luckily" in this case lol. On July 24 2015 19:06 sneirac wrote: That is a basic rule and I know that it applies to banners that have been prominently hung up, but how do you realistically want to stop people from displaying flags? Way to easy to hide them. I did think they would fine Barca/Pique for planting the Catalan flag though, did that happen already? Same way you stop flares etc, you make the fans we all aware they are not allowed to bring these in, if they bring them in they get banned/removed/punished. Like i said domestically it seems Spanish FA doesn't care what happens in the league so they are free to do what they want there, but in UEFA they have rules so there should be special measure for champions league games where they stop them. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On July 24 2015 19:19 sneirac wrote: Eh you'*re right, they have punished for fascist cheers so banning for flags is okay if they are consistent. And from the stuff about Poland it seems they are. I bet there is a lot more of those cases but those are only found in the local media and usually as a small note on the bottom of the page, because seriously not many people care about small club getting fined few thousands euro for a flag in an early round Europa League match, especially if the club is foreign. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Benzema Ronaldo Pepe Yaya Pen (after Sterling dribbling bounced up and hand ball from Ramos) Lets see what happens 2nd half  GO RAFA!!! haha | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On July 24 2015 20:04 Pandemona wrote: Also, Real Madrid vs Man City is on right now. 2nd half just starting, 3-1 Real Madrid so far, Benzema Ronaldo Pepe Yaya Pen (after Sterling dribbling bounced up and hand ball from Ramos) Lets see what happens 2nd half GO RAFA!!! hahaYou haven't give the justice to the penalty call since Sterling handballed first and both players were outside of the box. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Clearly not as you say it is outside the box and appears maybe Sterling handballs it first (might be shoulder though?) | ||
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