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bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 14:07:14
October 05 2014 14:06 GMT
#5181
Chambers should have been sent off with a second yellow in this charge over schurle

Really difficult game for the referee.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 05 2014 14:07 GMT
#5182
On October 05 2014 23:01 Larkin wrote:
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On October 05 2014 22:58 NuclearJudas wrote:
On October 05 2014 22:54 Larkin wrote:
On October 05 2014 22:49 NuclearJudas wrote:
Fucking damn it, Kosc... Why do you make so many stupid tackles like that? Can't fault Hazard for going down there, as it's just invited.

And I'm of the opinion now that Cahill should have been sent off. Look at the tackle.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/AB507097C21130542002627575808_212ad566fd9.5.1.7195489688785602737.mp4?versionId=N5oV3t52tHtl2xNFWDL3DPVgHe.FnXcK

The ball's right there, but he studs Alexis instead. I love Cahill, but that's a disgraceful tackle.


Hmm I think it doesn't look like there's intent to do harm - it looks like an accident. And since it's only one footed, I think a red is harsh there.

Saying we should judge everything on intent is just straight up wrong. Obviously Cahill doesn't want to hurt Alexis. But it's a straightened leg with all of Cahill's weight (so 80-90 kg?) behind it. Alexis' ankle would have quite possibly snapped under that. It's a clear red. That said, I can see that being hard for the ref to adjudge and why it's been given a yellow.


I didn't say we SHOULD judge everything on intent.

But maliciousness is a factor - it's in the rules - for determining whether something is a red card or not.

It isn't a clear red because it very obviously looks like a mistimed tackle, missing the ball, rather than a deliberate attempt to do Alexis in. What Cahill meant only he knows - but to the referee, in a split second decision, it doesn't look malicious enough to warrant a red card.

I did say that I can see why Cahill's not been given a red. I even bolded the first part of that statement to make it clear.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
October 05 2014 14:08 GMT
#5183
On October 05 2014 23:07 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 23:01 Larkin wrote:
On October 05 2014 22:58 NuclearJudas wrote:
On October 05 2014 22:54 Larkin wrote:
On October 05 2014 22:49 NuclearJudas wrote:
Fucking damn it, Kosc... Why do you make so many stupid tackles like that? Can't fault Hazard for going down there, as it's just invited.

And I'm of the opinion now that Cahill should have been sent off. Look at the tackle.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/AB507097C21130542002627575808_212ad566fd9.5.1.7195489688785602737.mp4?versionId=N5oV3t52tHtl2xNFWDL3DPVgHe.FnXcK

The ball's right there, but he studs Alexis instead. I love Cahill, but that's a disgraceful tackle.


Hmm I think it doesn't look like there's intent to do harm - it looks like an accident. And since it's only one footed, I think a red is harsh there.

Saying we should judge everything on intent is just straight up wrong. Obviously Cahill doesn't want to hurt Alexis. But it's a straightened leg with all of Cahill's weight (so 80-90 kg?) behind it. Alexis' ankle would have quite possibly snapped under that. It's a clear red. That said, I can see that being hard for the ref to adjudge and why it's been given a yellow.


I didn't say we SHOULD judge everything on intent.

But maliciousness is a factor - it's in the rules - for determining whether something is a red card or not.

It isn't a clear red because it very obviously looks like a mistimed tackle, missing the ball, rather than a deliberate attempt to do Alexis in. What Cahill meant only he knows - but to the referee, in a split second decision, it doesn't look malicious enough to warrant a red card.

I did say that I can see why Cahill's not been given a red. I even bolded the first part of that statement to make it clear.


Yes. You also said 'it's a clear red.'
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
October 05 2014 14:08 GMT
#5184
Wenger's pretty mad lol...

Really tough game for the ref for sure
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
October 05 2014 14:09 GMT
#5185
On October 05 2014 23:08 malcram wrote:
Wenger's pretty mad lol...

Really tough game for the ref for sure

Its gonna be fun watching the press conference after the match
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
October 05 2014 14:10 GMT
#5186
[image loading]

He is the special one
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
October 05 2014 14:11 GMT
#5187
Mourinho is going to be absolutely disgusting after the game no matter what happens in the second half
Forward
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
October 05 2014 14:11 GMT
#5188
I love how even the half time and after-match show is something to look forward to when you've got someone like Gary Neville breaking down a game. I wish Austrian channels would start learning from that.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
October 05 2014 14:14 GMT
#5189
On October 05 2014 23:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I love how even the half time and after-match show is something to look forward to when you've got someone like Gary Neville breaking down a game. I wish Austrian channels would start learning from that.


When I can't watch sky I watch US TV streams and they're so hilariously bad
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
October 05 2014 14:16 GMT
#5190
Jeez, Courtois being treated by paramedics, and is at hospital, hope he's okay. Looked like bad concussion but with bleeding from the ears could be a lot of bad things.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
October 05 2014 14:17 GMT
#5191
On October 05 2014 23:16 Larkin wrote:
Jeez, Courtois being treated by paramedics, and is at hospital, hope he's okay. Looked like bad concussion but with bleeding from the ears could be a lot of bad things.

Chelsea keepers and head injuries

Hope he is ok
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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 14:18:34
October 05 2014 14:17 GMT
#5192
Upon looking at the replay, Kosc should also have been sent off. Oh, well.

On October 05 2014 23:16 Larkin wrote:
Jeez, Courtois being treated by paramedics, and is at hospital, hope he's okay. Looked like bad concussion but with bleeding from the ears could be a lot of bad things.

Pretty sure that's for precaution, and I hope he's fine.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 14:20:14
October 05 2014 14:18 GMT
#5193
On October 05 2014 23:17 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 23:16 Larkin wrote:
Jeez, Courtois being treated by paramedics, and is at hospital, hope he's okay. Looked like bad concussion but with bleeding from the ears could be a lot of bad things.

Chelsea keepers and head injuries

Hope he is ok


It's a weird compulsion not to treat players with head injuries and it can be life threatening. Courtois should have been subbed immediately.

It is just for precaution to take him to hospital, but still.
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Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
October 05 2014 14:20 GMT
#5194
Listen, the ref sent a precedent with the cahill challenge. It should have been straight red but chelsea get away with those top of the field play stopping fouls without getting yellows and arsenal don't. Shit refereeing going on. The cahill challenge changed the game completely. Chelsea realised they can get away with anything and btw the shuurle freekick? The guy dived.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 14:22:00
October 05 2014 14:21 GMT
#5195
Courtois looked like he was completely blacked out for a few moments. I almost feel like, in scenarios like that, it should be possible to change players without it counting as a change. Because that's dangerous, life threatening at times. The team shouldn't be punished for it by having to make a change, and they'll always be opting to keep the player on if possible at all because otherwise they're "wasting" a change. That shouldn't be the case.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
October 05 2014 14:22 GMT
#5196
Gary Neville believes Cahill was very lucky not to be sent off for a nasty foul on Sanchez.

"The game changed after that. It came alive and became a lot more difficult for Martin Atkinson to referee after that and he is finding it difficult.""
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
October 05 2014 14:22 GMT
#5197
Darklord... that's too easy to fake I'm sorry, people dive and cheat all over the place and you expect them not to cheat on this ? Please let's not be naive.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 14:24:23
October 05 2014 14:23 GMT
#5198
On October 05 2014 23:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Courtois looked like he was completely blacked out for a few moments. I almost feel like, in scenarios like that, it should be possible to change players without it counting as a change. Because that's dangerous, life threatening at times. The team shouldn't be punished for it by having to make a change, and they'll always be opting to keep the player on if possible at all because otherwise they're "wasting" a change. That shouldn't be the case.


I'm inclined to agree. I would like a system of one 'free' injury sub. Players' wellbeing shouldn't be second to tactics.

You could have a retrospective punishment if they fake it to grant another sub or something. Like a 3 game ban.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
October 05 2014 14:25 GMT
#5199
On October 05 2014 23:22 Freaky[x] wrote:
Darklord... that's too easy to fake I'm sorry, people dive and cheat all over the place and you expect them not to cheat on this ? Please let's not be naive.


There are medical staff on the pitch, they should be able to deduce if someone is injured. And I'm only talking about obvious injuries. Like, if someone's bleeding or passed out or something like that.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 14:27:15
October 05 2014 14:25 GMT
#5200
On October 05 2014 23:23 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 23:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Courtois looked like he was completely blacked out for a few moments. I almost feel like, in scenarios like that, it should be possible to change players without it counting as a change. Because that's dangerous, life threatening at times. The team shouldn't be punished for it by having to make a change, and they'll always be opting to keep the player on if possible at all because otherwise they're "wasting" a change. That shouldn't be the case.


I'm inclined to agree. I would like a system of one 'free' injury sub. Players' wellbeing shouldn't be second to tactics.

You could have a retrospective punishment if they fake it to grant another sub or something. Like a 3 game ban.

How long before every game you have players faking head injuries? My money is on 2nd game

edit: Nobody is going to care about retrospective punishment, like they don't care about it now.
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