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On September 24 2014 02:04 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 04:16 Twisted wrote:
Did the biggest running event in the Netherlands today (Dam tot dam loop). It's a 16.09 km (10 miles) run from Amsterdam to Zaandam. I'm not that experienced of a runner but I'm very satisfied with my result! Finished in 1:24:18 for an average speed of 11,454 km/h.
That's a solid pace for a not experienced runner and 10 miles hurt if you don't run a lot. Congrats. Next stop Half Marathon or a sub 50min 10k?
Hah probably not looking to become a more advanced runner. I also like my time in the gym and the two don't mix that well if you overdo one or the other. I'm fine with just being able to do that run. It goes right by my house and it's a really fun run with loads of public and music stands along the way. I was just happy with my result and figured I'd share.
Hell maybe if I keep it up I'll even start enjoying it more, who knows  . Being able to run really well is nice anyway. I'll definitely do more events though! It was a lot of fun. But it will be a long spell before I do a half-marathon  . Probably do 10km's instead. Maybe that sub 50 minutes 10km is a nice goal then.
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Well, the last bit of hay is in the barn. Just back from my final workout before Portland: 3x1600m at 5k race pace with 3:20 jogging in between. Went 5:06, 5:03, 5:04. (I'm pretty confident I could get below 16 in the 5k right now, which would be cool because my current PR is 16 even, but that is beside the point at the moment I suppose.) The rest of the training contains nothing challenging, so it's really all in my head from this point.
I feel a mix of excitement and nerves that I'm sure will only increase as October 5 gets closer.
Nerves: (1) some of the marathon pace workouts have not been great, (2) two of my three tuneup races have been disappointing, and (3) I fly in the day before the race, not two days before, so there's a chance that airport entropy will make the day more stressful than I'd want.
Excitement: (1) the half marathon tuneup, which is the most important one I think, went very well, (2) once or twice a week, for the last 17 weeks, I've been doing medium-long and long runs with the last 10 miles within spitting distance of race pace, so I know what it will feel like when the going gets tough, and (3) I'll be going from 671m above sea level to 15m.
I'll post a race report in here as soon as I'm able, but as that might not be until the Monday after the race. The results should be on portlandmarathon.org not too long after Sunday Oct. 5 if anyone cares. (My bib number is 2370.) You're also supposed to be able to track a runner through the race somehow, but I can't find it on their site at the moment.
2:40 or nothing. Ready or not, here I come!
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On September 26 2014 09:55 Bonham wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, the last bit of hay is in the barn. Just back from my final workout before Portland: 3x1600m at 5k race pace with 3:20 jogging in between. Went 5:06, 5:03, 5:04. (I'm pretty confident I could get below 16 in the 5k right now, which would be cool because my current PR is 16 even, but that is beside the point at the moment I suppose.) The rest of the training contains nothing challenging, so it's really all in my head from this point.
I feel a mix of excitement and nerves that I'm sure will only increase as October 5 gets closer.
Nerves: (1) some of the marathon pace workouts have not been great, (2) two of my three tuneup races have been disappointing, and (3) I fly in the day before the race, not two days before, so there's a chance that airport entropy will make the day more stressful than I'd want.
Excitement: (1) the half marathon tuneup, which is the most important one I think, went very well, (2) once or twice a week, for the last 17 weeks, I've been doing medium-long and long runs with the last 10 miles within spitting distance of race pace, so I know what it will feel like when the going gets tough, and (3) I'll be going from 671m above sea level to 15m.
I'll post a race report in here as soon as I'm able, but as that might not be until the Monday after the race. The results should be on portlandmarathon.org not too long after Sunday Oct. 5 if anyone cares. (My bib number is 2370.) You're also supposed to be able to track a runner through the race somehow, but I can't find it on their site at the moment.
2:40 or nothing. Ready or not, here I come!
I wish you the best of luck. Make it happen.
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Tomorrow is the Berlin Marathon. The women's field is a little underwhelming. It's basically Shalane Flannigan trying to break the National Record (which is almost two minutes faster than her PR) and a few of the many East African runners trying to follow her to pass her at the last 3km.
The men's field is stacked though: Dennis Kimetto who holds the record at Chicago (2:03:45) might break the World Record. Emmanuel Mutai who was a close second at Chicago last year has a realistic shot at beating Kimetto this time. Tsegaye Kebede is starting (2:04:38) and 22 yo Geoffrey Kamworor (2:06:12) is getting a lot of hype by the organizers.
Race starts at 8:45am local time. I'm gonna watch it at TV to get motivated for my long run. http://universalsports.com/ is broadcasting live for the US.
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Running is so weird. I had such a great/strong week of training, (every run felt awesome and strong) but totally felt like trash my entire long run this morning. And I also had some random cramping/ache on my left foot (which I am attributing to worn out shoes, 350+ miles on them, bought new shoes this afternoon)
Some days it's just not there! Still a solid week, I'll probably put a few miles in tomorrow and end up with 45 miles or so this week. Probably will push 50+ next week with one more crazy long run on Saturday (before starting to cut back and begin taper two weeks out from marathon day)
still shooting for somewhere in the 3:40 range for a goal time, hopefully next week long run goes better.
best of luck to you Bonham! Hope everything goes well and you nail your goal. 2:40 would be an amazing time.
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On September 28 2014 05:16 LuckyFool wrote:
Running is so weird. I had such a great/strong week of training, (every run felt awesome and strong) but totally felt like trash my entire long run this morning. And I also had some random cramping/ache on my left foot (which I am attributing to worn out shoes, 350+ miles on them, bought new shoes this afternoon)
Some days it's just not there! Still a solid week, I'll probably put a few miles in tomorrow and end up with 45 miles or so this week. Probably will push 50+ next week with one more crazy long run on Saturday (before starting to cut back and begin taper two weeks out from marathon day)
still shooting for somewhere in the 3:40 range for a goal time, hopefully next week long run goes better.
Yep, this is pretty common. That's why it's important never to stress on one particular workout, just think of it as hay in the barn and look at the overall picture.
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Berlin is ahead of the WR by 24s right now at 30k. Pacemakers are gone now and it finally gets interesting. I'm shocked that Kebede couldn't follow longer than 20k. Three runnes have the lead: Mutai, Kimetto and Kamworor.
Oh they are passing "Wilder Eber". I ran there a few weeks ago. =)
*Kamworor has lost contact at about 34k. Kimetto and Mutai both looking strong. -49s to WR pace.
*Kimetto attacks at 38k and tries to decide the race.
*Dennis Kimetto wins with a new WR of 1:02:57
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You missed an hour. 
Great result nonetheless.
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Kimetto! First run under 2:03 ever. Totally amazing.
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On September 28 2014 17:16 Don_Julio wrote:
Berlin is ahead of the WR by 24s right now at 30k. Pacemakers are gone now and it finally gets interesting. I'm shocked that Kebede couldn't follow longer than 20k. Three runnes have the lead: Mutai, Kimetto and Kamworor.
Oh they are passing "Wilder Eber". I ran there a few weeks ago. =)
*Kamworor has lost contact at about 34k. Kimetto and Mutai both looking strong. -49s to WR pace.
*Kimetto attacks at 38k and tries to decide the race.
*Dennis Kimetto wins with a new WR of 1:02:57
Dang, 1:02 is so legit. Pretty worried about the drugs though, that's really an absurd amount that he just lopped off the old record, nearly holding on to Usain's top end pace for the full race!
Was actually a great race to watch. They just chilled through 30k, nice even splits just a hair slower than record pace and then Mutai really got the race rolling and made sub 2:03 possible, even if he just fell off. Incredible racing by both E. Mutai and Kimetto, Kimetto was just that much more incredible.
Talk about silver king too...Mutai now has 6 silvers in WMM. Unrelated but equally absurd is the fact that Kimetto only started running 4 years ago...
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Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2.
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On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2.
I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out.
Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half.
12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace.
For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required.
Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen
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On September 29 2014 04:21 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2. I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out. Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half. 12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace. For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required. Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen
ok I'll prove you wrong challenge accepted
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On September 29 2014 02:20 L_Master wrote:
Unrelated but equally absurd is the fact that Kimetto only started running 4 years ago...
Hey, that's around the same time I started! Looks like I'll need to reassess my goals a bit. :p
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On September 29 2014 04:24 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 04:21 L_Master wrote:On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2. I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out. Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half. 12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace. For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required. Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen ok I'll prove you wrong challenge accepted
Regarding your argument about the mental barrier. Look at the women's marathon record by Paula Radcliffe 2:15:25. Nobody has broken the 2:20h this year yet. One last year. Knowing that there's a super fast record won't make you run faster.
The men could break the 2h in L_Master's lifetime because I'm predicting some serious genetic engineering which dominating professional sports at some point.
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On September 29 2014 05:39 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 04:24 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:On September 29 2014 04:21 L_Master wrote:On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2. I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out. Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half. 12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace. For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required. Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen ok I'll prove you wrong challenge accepted Regarding your argument about the mental barrier. Look at the women's marathon record by Paula Radcliffe 2:15:25. Nobody has broken the 2:20h this year yet. One last year. Knowing that there's a super fast record won't make you run faster. The men could break the 2h in L_Master's lifetime because I'm predicting some serious genetic engineering which dominating professional sports at some point.
Who says the men and women's brains work the same way? Who says there isn't a conspiracy going on not not allow anyone to improve Paula's time, etc etc. Lots of explanations.
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What I mean to say is that scientifically speaking the human physiology allows for quicker times - or at least that is the scientific consensus, of course it is impossible to rule out that science is overlooking a factor which we don't know about now which makes it impossible to run faster.
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On September 29 2014 06:32 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 05:39 Don_Julio wrote:On September 29 2014 04:24 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:On September 29 2014 04:21 L_Master wrote:On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2. I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out. Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half. 12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace. For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required. Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen ok I'll prove you wrong challenge accepted Regarding your argument about the mental barrier. Look at the women's marathon record by Paula Radcliffe 2:15:25. Nobody has broken the 2:20h this year yet. One last year. Knowing that there's a super fast record won't make you run faster. The men could break the 2h in L_Master's lifetime because I'm predicting some serious genetic engineering which dominating professional sports at some point. Who says the men and women's brains work the same way? Who says there isn't a conspiracy going on not not allow anyone to improve Paula's time, etc etc. Lots of explanations.
Can't tell if sarcastic or serious...
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On September 29 2014 04:24 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 04:21 L_Master wrote:On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2. I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out. Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half. 12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace. For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required. Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen ok I'll prove you wrong challenge accepted
Wait, since you said "I'll prove you wrong" does this mean you are going to personally run sub 2? That would be pretty badass!
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On September 29 2014 06:37 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 06:32 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:On September 29 2014 05:39 Don_Julio wrote:On September 29 2014 04:24 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:On September 29 2014 04:21 L_Master wrote:On September 29 2014 04:05 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
Mental barriers are a funny thing. I would bet my life that if they thought the world record was say 1:55, a lot of these guys would be running sub 2. I promise you they would not. I'd put a million dollars down that we won't see sub 2 within my lifetime, provided some new super drug doesn't come out. Sub 2 is equivalent to roughly 12:15 for 5k, 25:30 for 10k, and 57 flat for the half. 12:15 for 5k is 3:56 pace for a 5k. So far only one person in the world has ever done that for two miles, and that was only 3:59 pace. For the 10k you're talking about having the fitness to run a 10k at a pace that has only been run a handful of times for 5k since the days of Haile and Kenenisa. It just isn't happening anytime soon, as no athlete is anywhere near the level required. Low 2:02 looks like the current "limit" until we start such athletes superior to guys like Hicham, Kenenisa, Haile, and Komen ok I'll prove you wrong challenge accepted Regarding your argument about the mental barrier. Look at the women's marathon record by Paula Radcliffe 2:15:25. Nobody has broken the 2:20h this year yet. One last year. Knowing that there's a super fast record won't make you run faster. The men could break the 2h in L_Master's lifetime because I'm predicting some serious genetic engineering which dominating professional sports at some point. Who says the men and women's brains work the same way? Who says there isn't a conspiracy going on not not allow anyone to improve Paula's time, etc etc. Lots of explanations. Can't tell if sarcastic or serious...
It's neither! It's an open-minded approach to perceiving the world.
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Until we see people running like 57:xx or low 58 in a half (only a couple guys have ever run low 58's), nobody is going to run sub 2 in a full. I don't think I'd go as far to say we won't see it in our lifetime though. You never know what the future holds in terms of talent, training and potential. (or drugs lol)
sick run though, 2:02:57 is insane. Sometime next week I need to go run a lap at that pace to appreciate the absurdity of that, 4:41/mile pace. Just under 70 second lap required...that's basically my 400M PR lol.
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