EPTNBA 2013-14 Season - Page 162
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kidleaderr
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I absolutely do not think Gay is a top 10 player or an alpha dog or really even worth his contract, but I wonder how big a problem it is to judge players' efficiency (note: absolutely not talking about PER) on a linear curve like we sort of do now. If you think of him like machine equipment in a factory, production is actually based on a parabolic curve where its greatest efficiency might be at only 70-80% of maximum output, and not only do you lose efficiency by pushing to 90%+ but you can actually cause a breakdown. It's a lot easier to manage around a bottleneck in a factory system where machine B always follows machine A, but I'm not sure how you examine it in basketball, or how you can systematically determine player B is a great value at X shots per game, but a terrible value at Y shots per game. Also, we hear that shooters just need to keep shooting themselves out of a slump, but maybe they should aim for a standard amount instead. I'm curious to see the actual ranges and standard deviations for NBA players are like, maybe I'll make a stats project out of it (aka Carmelo might take 21 shots per game, but what % of the time is he shooting 19 to 23 shots, 17 to 25 shots, less than 15 or more than 27 shots and how does his shooting fair in each of those quantities.) Maybe we got volume shooters like Gay and Mayo all wrong, and they're actually great scorers, just when they take fewer shots. Now obviously you can say, "Of course Gay is shooting better, defenders are paying attention to Cousins and Thomas instead." The nice thing with SportsVU cameras is we can actually somewhat test whether that's true or not. What lineup he was in and how many defenders were actually within X feet. The next step would be to look at when Gay or Carmelo takes >=30 or <11 shots where is he actually taking them and under what condition. Cause if Carmelo's actually a 50% shooter when he takes 30 shots in a game and 20 are within 8ft, then you're able to say Carmelo gets a green light against the Heat and a red light against the Clippers. I want to describe with numbers under what conditions can you push their output beyond what's normally efficient. When you think about it, barring injuries, NFL teams already informally do this with their running backs. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
edit: derp didn't read the rest of your post lol | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:13 icystorage wrote: durant pulled some aomine daiki shit on that game lolol i thought i was the only one who read that manga. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:41 Whatson wrote: lolol i thought i was the only one who read that manga. I think a lot of basketball fans from Asia read that manga. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:44 MassHysteria wrote: Efficiency isn't an end-all statistic. It is just another tool to be used in the grand scheme of things. A lot of people seem (and will only grow) to misuse it in their analysis nowadays due to its popularity. I mean 'efficiency' as an abstract way of saying performance/time played or shots taken or w/e. I don't mean a singular statistic and I absolutely 100% do not mean PER. Also,  | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On January 23 2014 10:55 Jibba wrote: I mean 'efficiency' as an abstract way of saying performance/time played or shots taken or w/e. I don't mean a singular statistic and I absolutely 100% do not mean PER. Also, Oh, I didn't mean it as a shot towards you if that's the way you are taking it. Absolutely not. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 23 2014 07:57 Jibba wrote: I imagine there's very little practical application of the information right now since not enough coaches and players buy into it. But itd be interesting to see if players have star level efficiency, just at lower quantities than the superstars. a pretty good amount do if you mean scoring efficiency Lots of coaches buy into efficiency. In fact I would hope every single one of them are aware of it at the Team level. It's another thing altogether in figuring out how to get high efficient, high possession offense/defense. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
this season... | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Btw league pass is free till the 26th. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On January 23 2014 11:43 zulu_nation8 wrote: This Celtics game is hilarious. Jeff Green's best game of his career probably. Btw league pass is free till the 26th. Didn't he have a really good game last year against the Heat toward the end of the season? I think he went off for 40+ in that one, in a losing effort. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On January 22 2014 12:19 icystorage wrote: would it be good for his (durant) overall game if he bulks up? When he gets older and slows down for sure. He's actually quite strong now though. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On January 23 2014 10:47 rebdomine wrote: I think a lot of basketball fans from Asia read that manga. +1 to people reading that manga also what he do | ||
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