EPT2013 - 2014 Football Thread - Page 542
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
Regarding the argument about his games versus Barca: Those games are made for central defenders, they almost never leave their comfort zone. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On January 17 2014 19:25 Twisted wrote: Actually, Barça don't play with a true striker, so no, it's not actually easy to defend against their style. The constant runs from midfield are actually quite hard to defend. Central defenders usually have a man to defend, with Barça they don't know who they have to pick up. Zone defending is harder. I think this is mainly because Barca play a style that is less common because it's so technically hard to do. Players aren't as used to coming up against it and they aren't selected on their ability to defend and perform it. If everyone played like Barca, then teams who play long and physical would be the hard ones to defend. Kind of a swings and roundabouts thing. And Bayern last year showed us how to absolutely decimate a team like that, just play the defence game with discipline and then break on the counter with pace and control and you make Barca pay for their heavy bias towards attack. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On January 17 2014 18:44 kyllinghest wrote: I guess this Thiago Silva chap could put and end to this debate by going to a better and faster league, the money in France is probably more tempting though. I wished Barça would have invested on him instead of Neymar (Rosell paid like 30% or more of the transfer the year before Neymar came) in 2012 before he joined Paris  Him + Mascherano would have been amazing x) Perfect mix!They bet on Puyol's recovery and they lost big. If they had a defender like Silva as CB, I would be a lot more confident in their chances in the CL :O | ||
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3point14
Germany890 Posts
isnt that offside? the keeper was certainly influenced by the player in the offside position. i dont have detailed knowledge of offsiderules though | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On January 17 2014 20:48 sc4k wrote: I think this is mainly because Barca play a style that is less common because it's so technically hard to do. Players aren't as used to coming up against it and they aren't selected on their ability to defend and perform it. If everyone played like Barca, then teams who play long and physical would be the hard ones to defend. Kind of a swings and roundabouts thing. And Bayern last year showed us how to absolutely decimate a team like that, just play the defence game with discipline and then break on the counter with pace and control and you make Barca pay for their heavy bias towards attack. I don't think we should put too much emphasis on those matches tbh. Yes Bayern won quite convincingly, but Barça was not doing well (consistently dependent on Messi), Messi was injured and in the 4-0 trashing they weren't as dominated as the scoreline would indicate. I think 2 of the 4 goals could be contested in that match and Barça was pretty unlucky in some spots. If they play again this year, I'd say Bayern is a favorite but not a 7-0 favorite at all. I still count Barça as one of the favorites to win the CL this year. | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On January 17 2014 23:00 3point14 wrote: isnt that offside? the keeper was certainly influenced by the player in the offside position. i dont have detailed knowledge of offsiderules though i think it's hard to tell if this goal was legit even if you have detailed knowledge of the offside rules lol if i were referee i wouldn't deny it Maybe Higuain's run affected goalkeepers reaction and it defiantely did defender's one. On the other hand, he didn't touch the ball and keeper saw the direction of ball movement clearly. Anyway Atalanta deserved to concede in this situation because of what their defender did. Play till the fucking whistle insteadd of raising your hand and moaning to the ref. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On January 17 2014 21:07 WillyWanker wrote: I wished Barça would have invested on him instead of Neymar (Rosell paid like 30% or more of the transfer the year before Neymar came) in 2012 before he joined Paris Him + Mascherano would have been amazing x) Perfect mix!They bet on Puyol's recovery and they lost big. If they had a defender like Silva as CB, I would be a lot more confident in their chances in the CL :O Yeah Barça need a CB a lot more than Neymar but I still think he's a good addition to the team. It makes barça less dependant on Messi and he's so young he can play for the team for years to come. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28929 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 17 2014 23:53 Twisted wrote: I don't think we should put too much emphasis on those matches tbh. Yes Bayern won quite convincingly, but Barça was not doing well (consistently dependent on Messi), Messi was injured and in the 4-0 trashing they weren't as dominated as the scoreline would indicate. I think 2 of the 4 goals could be contested in that match and Barça was pretty unlucky in some spots. If they play again this year, I'd say Bayern is a favorite but not a 7-0 favorite at all. I still count Barça as one of the favorites to win the CL this year. Something that always gets overlooked in this 1st match, is the 2 ez chances facing neyer that barca had, which for some reason both ended up on bartra who proceeded to send the ball towards the corner flag, lol. Barca wasn't good last season but many things went wrong in this specific game. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On January 18 2014 00:13 Liquid`Drone wrote: Obviously bayern isn't expected to thrash barcelona 7-0 if they meet again, but deciding to kinda ignore those matches is the other extreme. Not that it in any way indicates that barcelona is "figured out", but what I got from last year was that bayern was better at everything. And then tactics don't really matter all that much. And while I think the timing of last year's match was prolly the worst possible for barcelona as they were totally dependant on messi yet couldn't depend on him for those matches, I haven't seen anything to indicate that the pendulum has swung back in their favor. Bayern if anything look even better than last year, and barcelona look about the same cept neymar makes them miss messi slightly less if he's not fit.. Well I didn't say ignore, I meant to say that the importance of those results don't really reflect a decent prediction on what would happen if they meet again in say.. 2-3 months. I do also think Bayern is still the favorite to win the CL, just there's a couple more teams that could win it and Barça is one of them. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
February will be so awesome, xD. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28929 Posts
hoping the proper city shows up tho, not that I really care which team wins, but I'd love for city's peak form to be properly tested. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ermmm, i can't remember but i think was in this thread i not sure. Was probably around October time i think. I have been doing alot of Pro League and GSL work though so you can imagine the post count going up alot XD Average Posts Per Week 108.08 Average Posts Per Day 15.44 Posts made in the last week 340 Yeah i need a life yo XD I take pride in the fact im not as active as Shellbot though - Posts made in the last week 509 | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Since I don't watch sc2 anymore I was wondering where you post so much. We will all get +2k posts to our counts during june-july though, dat world cup! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
And when Champions league comes back we all post loads as well as so many great games. Especially the RO8 is going be so good! | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On January 18 2014 00:23 Twisted wrote: Well I didn't say ignore, I meant to say that the importance of those results don't really reflect a decent prediction on what would happen if they meet again in say.. 2-3 months. I do also think Bayern is still the favorite to win the CL, just there's a couple more teams that could win it and Barça is one of them. The thing with the 7-0 is that it wasn´t random. 1 or 2 goals too high maybe but it was a familiar game. Look who beated Barca in CL in a 2 game leg the past years, it was Chelsea, Bayern and Inter, all these teams basically with the same methode by making the field small, be physical and disciplined in defending. If you can do this 3 things and still be able to apply pressure and be dangerous you have a pretty good chance of beating barca. Thats why i think ManCity can be very dangerous because they have a team that is very similar to the other three. Also Barca is still too one dimensional with his roster. | ||
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