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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18481 Posts
August 30 2012 17:59 GMT
#1621
Yeah players have too much power in these regards.

Clubs have almost no ways to keep a player if the player wants to go.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 18:15:05
August 30 2012 18:11 GMT
#1622
On August 31 2012 02:59 sharkie wrote:
Yeah players have too much power in these regards.

Clubs have almost no ways to keep a player if the player wants to go.

Do you want lots and lots of unhappy players, lured into unfair contracts at a young age? Nah, the players should always have the upper hand.

I don't see a problem with the transfer, Martinez wanted to move on to a bigger club and Bilbao got 40 million €.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18481 Posts
August 30 2012 18:28 GMT
#1623
On August 31 2012 03:11 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 02:59 sharkie wrote:
Yeah players have too much power in these regards.

Clubs have almost no ways to keep a player if the player wants to go.

Do you want lots and lots of unhappy players, lured into unfair contracts at a young age? Nah, the players should always have the upper hand.

I don't see a problem with the transfer, Martinez wanted to move on to a bigger club and Bilbao got 40 million €.


I want players to honour their contracts THEY SIGNED THEMSELVES.

Is that too much to ask for?
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
August 30 2012 18:37 GMT
#1624
On August 31 2012 01:59 Mavkar wrote:
I'd like to write a short summary about every Bundesliga weekend in here if anyone is interested in it. But probably after I finished my thesis so maybe in a month from now. Only if there is interest of course.

Go for it, man. I'd read it.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Retric
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany284 Posts
August 30 2012 18:43 GMT
#1625
On August 31 2012 02:58 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 01:13 Fatta wrote:
Bayern finally anounce Martinez as new player. After this has been going on for weeks, the club just anounced they signed Marinez from Bilbao for 40 million euros.

http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/en/news/news/2012/36655.php

Edit: one second to slow.

I don't like the transfer.

It's not because of the player, I have only seen a few games and am not able to judge him. I think Bayern knows better than I do. It's not because of the price, everyone knows that he is not worth as much as Bayern paid under normal circumstances, but Bayern has more than enough cash for such a transfer, so I don't mind them spending it.

The thing that bugs me is there was no way Bilbao could have prevented the transfer, as far as I understood they were forced to include a buy-out clause in the contract Martinez signed not too long ago. If they don't want to sell him they should have the right to do so and that has to be respected in my opinion. The Bayern executives are talking so much about strengthening clubs rights(Rummenigge is the president of the ECA afterall :p), it's just silly that they are the ones brute-forcing such a transfer, especially considering that they already denied a player that wanted to go to another club a transfer(Ribery, even tho he is happy with the way it turned out in the end).

Additionally Sammer, Rummenigge and Heynckes made themselves look like idiots with the way they were behaving in the press during the whole story.


It's Bilbao's own fault if they agreed to the 40 million clause. If someone pays 40 million it is only the player's decision if he wants to leave or not. thats how it is. If Bilbao wanted to to keep the player indefinitely they should have given him 10 year contract without a buy-out clause. thats how it is. Bilbao weakened themselves by agreeing to a buy- out clause.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 19:05:45
August 30 2012 19:04 GMT
#1626
On August 31 2012 03:43 Retric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 02:58 clusen wrote:
On August 30 2012 01:13 Fatta wrote:
Bayern finally anounce Martinez as new player. After this has been going on for weeks, the club just anounced they signed Marinez from Bilbao for 40 million euros.

http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/en/news/news/2012/36655.php

Edit: one second to slow.

I don't like the transfer.

It's not because of the player, I have only seen a few games and am not able to judge him. I think Bayern knows better than I do. It's not because of the price, everyone knows that he is not worth as much as Bayern paid under normal circumstances, but Bayern has more than enough cash for such a transfer, so I don't mind them spending it.

The thing that bugs me is there was no way Bilbao could have prevented the transfer, as far as I understood they were forced to include a buy-out clause in the contract Martinez signed not too long ago. If they don't want to sell him they should have the right to do so and that has to be respected in my opinion. The Bayern executives are talking so much about strengthening clubs rights(Rummenigge is the president of the ECA afterall :p), it's just silly that they are the ones brute-forcing such a transfer, especially considering that they already denied a player that wanted to go to another club a transfer(Ribery, even tho he is happy with the way it turned out in the end).

Additionally Sammer, Rummenigge and Heynckes made themselves look like idiots with the way they were behaving in the press during the whole story.


It's Bilbao's own fault if they agreed to the 40 million clause. If someone pays 40 million it is only the player's decision if he wants to leave or not. thats how it is. If Bilbao wanted to to keep the player indefinitely they should have given him 10 year contract without a buy-out clause. thats how it is. Bilbao weakened themselves by agreeing to a buy- out clause.


No player/agent in their right mind would sign a contract of that kind of length without a buy out clause these days. Either he was going out of the door free of charge or they would get 40 million for him. Bilbao could not prevent him from leaving in any possible way if someone was willing enough to pay the clause.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 19:59:11
August 30 2012 19:12 GMT
#1627
On August 31 2012 01:59 Mavkar wrote:
I'd like to write a short summary about every Bundesliga weekend in here if anyone is interested in it. But probably after I finished my thesis so maybe in a month from now. Only if there is interest of course.



I'd happily put it in the OP if you want

News

Carroll Joins West Ham on Loan!
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 20:03:47
August 30 2012 20:01 GMT
#1628
On August 31 2012 03:28 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 03:11 Maenander wrote:
On August 31 2012 02:59 sharkie wrote:
Yeah players have too much power in these regards.

Clubs have almost no ways to keep a player if the player wants to go.

Do you want lots and lots of unhappy players, lured into unfair contracts at a young age? Nah, the players should always have the upper hand.

I don't see a problem with the transfer, Martinez wanted to move on to a bigger club and Bilbao got 40 million €.


I want players to honour their contracts THEY SIGNED THEMSELVES.

Is that too much to ask for?


They do honour their contracts. Fact is however that free agency after your final year means if a club wants to keep you, then the leverage is with you to negotiate an extension. Additionally if there is a buyout clause then they are usually unalterable.

I dont see the problem. It was much worse before when clubs had the power, granted its not perfect now but its much better. Any issues such as inflated transfer tags arent down to player power as much as clubs being willing to splash the cash.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
August 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#1629
On August 31 2012 03:28 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 03:11 Maenander wrote:
On August 31 2012 02:59 sharkie wrote:
Yeah players have too much power in these regards.

Clubs have almost no ways to keep a player if the player wants to go.

Do you want lots and lots of unhappy players, lured into unfair contracts at a young age? Nah, the players should always have the upper hand.

I don't see a problem with the transfer, Martinez wanted to move on to a bigger club and Bilbao got 40 million €.


I want players to honour their contracts THEY SIGNED THEMSELVES.

Is that too much to ask for?

Martinez did honour his contract.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
August 30 2012 20:21 GMT
#1630
carroll is such a west ham player, really. he is literally the embodiment of what west ham and sam allardyce stand for.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
August 30 2012 20:27 GMT
#1631
On August 31 2012 04:12 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 01:59 Mavkar wrote:
I'd like to write a short summary about every Bundesliga weekend in here if anyone is interested in it. But probably after I finished my thesis so maybe in a month from now. Only if there is interest of course.



I'd happily put it in the OP if you want

News

Carroll Joins West Ham on Loan!
Source


rofl, hope he does well there and bags the winner against Pool, although there is probably something in the deal where he can't play against them . . .
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
August 30 2012 21:20 GMT
#1632
On August 31 2012 05:21 greggy wrote:
carroll is such a west ham player, really. he is literally the embodiment of what west ham and sam allardyce stand for.


Definitely, it should have been a good fit with Liverpool with players like Downing and Johnson but Downing was retarded and the team just wasn't able to give him the supply + he was shit most of the season, probably partly due to buckling under the pressure and attention that the 35 million tag garnered him, at a young age. In West Ham he will have much less pressure, and will have a team that can definitely give him supply.
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
August 31 2012 02:10 GMT
#1633
Iniesta is a great great player, but did not deserve that award..
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 31 2012 02:56 GMT
#1634
Sad with Carroll, but I guess it was all down to change to a system, Rodgers felt he didn't suit well into. Had too few games even under Kenny.
LiangHao
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
August 31 2012 09:08 GMT
#1635
Ibrahim Afellay is going to Schalke04 for 1 year on loan, this has just been confirmed by Schalke on their homepage.
But does it djent?
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
August 31 2012 09:15 GMT
#1636
rumour has it that van der Vaart is on his way to Hamburg
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
August 31 2012 09:19 GMT
#1637
I dunno why Clint Dempsey is joining Villa, I'd rather play for Fulham
tekos44
Profile Joined June 2011
France280 Posts
August 31 2012 09:36 GMT
#1638
What is Tottenham doing exactly ? Who did they pick up to replace Modric and VdV ?
Latty
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany567 Posts
August 31 2012 09:36 GMT
#1639
Good deal for Schalke, they needed some creative player in their midfield imo

Martinez to Bayern is kind of sad. bayern has so much talented players already that its pretty sure some of them wont even play this season... could give one of them to frankfurt
"Nice, *claps* gogo kill kill, yeah bane speed, nice EU Power" Dimaga
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 31 2012 09:43 GMT
#1640
Few

More good news for Chelsea fans as Roman Abramovich has won his Court Case. (was being sued for half his money, 3billion)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
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