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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 13:21:27
May 22 2013 13:21 GMT
#8621
Yeah i think Pellegrini to city and Mourinho to Chelsea were done deals months ago xD
Bookies are never wrong let alone every newspaper xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 13:23:50
May 22 2013 13:21 GMT
#8622
There was talk about Bruno Martins Indi last year and maybe earlier this year. We have been looking into the Dutch market recently, there were reports about Jordy Clasie, Van Ginkel, Rasmus Bengtsson, Leroy Fer... but I think we're only hiring Serbians.

We also signed Nemanja Matic's brother, Uros Matic. Maybe the strategy is based around the idea that Nemanja Matic will be one of the best players in the world in the coming years and we have to do everything to make him as happy as possible staying in Benfica? I don't understand what's happening, it's like we just signed a Serbian manager all of a sudden.

N Matic, U Matic, Djuricic, Sulejmani and Markovic. Who's next?
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 22 2013 13:22 GMT
#8623
Rumor is Barca looking at Lucho to replace Tito.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
May 22 2013 13:44 GMT
#8624
On May 22 2013 22:21 warding wrote:
There was talk about Bruno Martins Indi last year and maybe earlier this year. We have been looking into the Dutch market recently, there were reports about Jordy Clasie, Van Ginkel, Rasmus Bengtsson, Leroy Fer... but I think we're only hiring Serbians.

We also signed Nemanja Matic's brother, Uros Matic. Maybe the strategy is based around the idea that Nemanja Matic will be one of the best players in the world in the coming years and we have to do everything to make him as happy as possible staying in Benfica? I don't understand what's happening, it's like we just signed a Serbian manager all of a sudden.

N Matic, U Matic, Djuricic, Sulejmani and Markovic. Who's next?

The biggest clubs in our league are saying everybody is for sale. Get them while they are cheap!
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Purpose88
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany137 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 13:55:08
May 22 2013 13:54 GMT
#8625
On May 22 2013 20:28 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:26 Purpose88 wrote:
So Rodriguez not to Dortmund? Looks like we get Dzeko then :o


That one is Jackson. (Martinez -> Not Rodriguez as i've said before sorry)

But I highly doubt that he will end up in Dortmund, because he's too pricy. Porto will want 30M€ + for him


We could spend 35M+ no problem, but only if he is worth it. You probably get more for your money if you buy Dzeko who speaks German and dominated in the Bundesliga already.

If we get Dzeko and Eriksen I would be very happy. Then maybe Jetro Willems as Prospect and a young new CB.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 22 2013 14:00 GMT
#8626
Dzeko is rumoured to be in a "swap deal" for Cavani of Napoli as it will lower the price.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 22 2013 14:01 GMT
#8627
On May 22 2013 22:14 bObaZ wrote:
And Ysellian, i've never hear about that player... And there's no mention to him in Benfica Foruns so it might be the dutch media.


Thanks, I guess it was nothing news worthy in Portugal.

On May 22 2013 22:21 warding wrote:
There was talk about Bruno Martins Indi last year and maybe earlier this year. We have been looking into the Dutch market recently, there were reports about Jordy Clasie, Van Ginkel, Rasmus Bengtsson, Leroy Fer... but I think we're only hiring Serbians.


So which is which? I'm bit confused now, haha. But it probably was a minor rumour if the Benfica Forums didn't catch up on it.
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
May 22 2013 14:02 GMT
#8628
On May 22 2013 22:54 Purpose88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:28 bObaZ wrote:
On May 22 2013 20:26 Purpose88 wrote:
So Rodriguez not to Dortmund? Looks like we get Dzeko then :o


That one is Jackson. (Martinez -> Not Rodriguez as i've said before sorry)

But I highly doubt that he will end up in Dortmund, because he's too pricy. Porto will want 30M€ + for him


We could spend 35M+ no problem, but only if he is worth it. You probably get more for your money if you buy Dzeko who speaks German and dominated in the Bundesliga already.

If we get Dzeko and Eriksen I would be very happy. Then maybe Jetro Willems as Prospect and a young new CB.


Dortmund certainly also needs better RB/LB backup. Still agree with you on Dzeko, who I think would fit very well too.
ZerO, Action, Neo.G_Soulkey & FlaSh fanboy~~
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 14:05:43
May 22 2013 14:03 GMT
#8629
On May 22 2013 23:01 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 22:14 bObaZ wrote:
And Ysellian, i've never hear about that player... And there's no mention to him in Benfica Foruns so it might be the dutch media.


Thanks, I guess it was nothing news worthy in Portugal.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 22:21 warding wrote:
There was talk about Bruno Martins Indi last year and maybe earlier this year. We have been looking into the Dutch market recently, there were reports about Jordy Clasie, Van Ginkel, Rasmus Bengtsson, Leroy Fer... but I think we're only hiring Serbians.


So which is which? I'm bit confused now, haha. But it probably was a minor rumour if the Benfica Forums didn't catch up on it.


Sorry he's in the forum but the page was really in the back because it was in the beggining of the season

It was some misinformation on my part. But in terms of Dutch teams, as warding said, there are stronger reports about Jordy Clasie. But i think if he's not serbian he won't come to Benfica. We'll only get Serbians this year!
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 14:12:22
May 22 2013 14:03 GMT
#8630
On May 22 2013 23:02 hns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 22:54 Purpose88 wrote:
On May 22 2013 20:28 bObaZ wrote:
On May 22 2013 20:26 Purpose88 wrote:
So Rodriguez not to Dortmund? Looks like we get Dzeko then :o


That one is Jackson. (Martinez -> Not Rodriguez as i've said before sorry)

But I highly doubt that he will end up in Dortmund, because he's too pricy. Porto will want 30M€ + for him


We could spend 35M+ no problem, but only if he is worth it. You probably get more for your money if you buy Dzeko who speaks German and dominated in the Bundesliga already.

If we get Dzeko and Eriksen I would be very happy. Then maybe Jetro Willems as Prospect and a young new CB.


Dortmund certainly also needs better RB/LB backup. Still agree with you on Dzeko, who I think would fit very well too.


Jetro Willems is LB and not a CB.

edit: What I mean is that he would be your LB backup.

On May 22 2013 23:03 bObaZ wrote:
Sorry he's in the forum but the page was really in the back because it was in the beggining of the season


Ah ok I guess it didn't mount to much as there are no recent messages.

I believe Jordy Clasie is staying until the world cup as he just got a contract extension at the club, at least I hope so. He's the most important player in the Feyenoord midfield. At least he doesn't have Serbian heritage
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 14:13:42
May 22 2013 14:12 GMT
#8631
About indi: But, is he that good that you're afraid that he'll leave? The last comment about him in the foruns was because Koeman said something about him being ready for transfer, "ready for the next step", according to some dutch media, voetbalzone.nl.

About Clasie: I think he's too pricy for Benfica. Feyenord probably want something in the likes of 15M+ and Benfica price range only goes to 10M (usually)
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 14:24:53
May 22 2013 14:24 GMT
#8632
Bruno Martens Indi is a starter in the national squad as central defender. We don't have a lot of depth in our defence so that doesn't say *that* much, but it shouldn't be understated. Also, Feyenoord is still struggling with finances a bit so if they can sell Indi for a big amount they'll get financially healthy very soon which is also worth a lot. Clasie isn't leaving. He just signed a contract extension for another year until 2016 (iirc) and he wants to guarantee that he plays a lot. Our national coach doesn't select players that sit on the bench except in special cases like Robben or Sneijder. He will probably transfer after the World Cup if he does really well there.

Jetro Willems is a terrible player btw. No-one has any clue why v. Marwijk used him as a starter in the last Eurocup while he was 18 years old. He can't defend if his life depended on it and when he goes forward he goes on a blind run and eventually runs into a few defenders or delivers a superpoor cross.
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 14:31:56
May 22 2013 14:29 GMT
#8633
On May 20 2013 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
I would say Chelsea will start favorites, then United, then City, then Arsenal.

You are quick to make Chelsea favourites :D

It looks like ManCity will get Pellegrini and some new players (maybe Isco), and ManU have just won the PL quite easily and might add some more players as well. So I wouldn't proclaim Chelsea favourites just because Mou arrives and brings Essien with him

In my opinion Mourinho will have a tougher task this time around, and he might even have declined as a manager over the past years. His tactics seemingly aren't up to date and his lauded man management skills didn't really shine during his time at Real.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 14:36:48
May 22 2013 14:35 GMT
#8634
Well the Indi situation is a bit complicated. He is a very good player, but our technical director signed an experienced left central defender at the beginning of the season who is currently standing in the way of Indi´s development as a central defender. Indi played well as a LB, but he is most comfortable in the central position. Van Gaal also added some fuel to the fire by making Indi the central defender of the Dutch national team, many dutch analysts even advised Indi to leave Feyenoord.

The situation really sucks as I'm a big fan of Indi, the guy has all the qualities to scare attackers. But it's almost certain that Indi will be leaving in the summer. I was hoping Benfica would be more interested because Indi was born in Portugal and actually speaks Portuguese and Benfica feels like a great step for talented players to get even better.

edit: And as Twisted mentioned. Feyenoord can't really say no to a good offer because the finances aren't great yet.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 15:16:01
May 22 2013 14:38 GMT
#8635
On May 22 2013 23:29 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
I would say Chelsea will start favorites, then United, then City, then Arsenal.

You are quick to make Chelsea favourites :D

It looks like ManCity will get Pellegrini and some new players (maybe Isco), and ManU have just won the PL quite easily and might add some more players as well. So I wouldn't proclaim Chelsea favourites just because Mou arrives and brings Essien with him

In my opinion Mourinho will have a tougher task this time around, and he might even have declined as a manager over the past years. His tactics seemingly aren't up to date and his lauded man management skills didn't really shine during his time at Real.


Lol Essien with him...ahah no he will be sold/whatever he has no place at Chelsea now i don't think. Too many injuries.

Why i say Chelsea are favorites or will start out bookmakers favorites is because;

1. Mourinho knows the premier league and his 2 full seasons, won it easily (10+ points league and 1 record points tally)
2. Pellegrinni doesn't know English football, = instant u lose value, he is an unknown quantity for that
3. Moyes at United is going to be a HUGE transition period, don't forget that united squad WAS SHIT, as proven in the games vs West Brom (5-5) and Reading 3-2 (all goals in under 40minutes). Fergie some how got his team to win that title last season, HOW i do not know, but there is no chance Moyes can do that with that squad.
4. Chelsea will arguably by the least players out of the 3 clubs, BUT the players we have (should) only get better and better as they are growing up. Don't forget these Chelsea players did all the last end of the season on empty (clearly shown) and they still managed to win a Europa League and finish 2 points clear in 3rd(somehow)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
May 22 2013 15:07 GMT
#8636
Hehe, we'll see about that. It will be an interesting season, no doubt
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
May 22 2013 15:07 GMT
#8637
Some more PSG rumours (yay!):
- Rooney is priority #1 and Rooney is said to be very interested. Not to replace Ibra, mind you. Ibra stays.
- Leonardo would take over as a coach for one year until Wenger's end of contract. Top two candidates are still Capello and Benitez
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
May 22 2013 15:15 GMT
#8638
On May 22 2013 22:14 bObaZ wrote:
Silva, I don't want to start a war here. And i'm not a melonhead. Being sad is different that having a melon for a head... But i understand the comment. I didn't even said anything offensive on my comment and i underlined the fact that i'm a Benfica Fan... I didn't even said that porto had doping i only said that reports exist... Don't be so dramatic!

On Topic, I think Enzo have probably a 25-30M clause (i'm not sure) and the problem with Benfica Strikers is that they're Old... Cardozo os 28 or 29 and Lima is 30...

And Ysellian, i've never hear about that player... And there's no mention to him in Benfica Foruns so it might be the dutch media.

If u didnt want to flame Porto then u would have talked about ur own club, wich evidence is quite stronger that ours in that regard, but obviously its easier to talk about us like all benfica supporters do...we are the worst of the worst, the devil himself pales before our power and benfica is the sweetest angel in heaven....spare me please
And dont be too ofended regarding the mellonhead, its just a funny way to make fun of u guys
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 15:24:46
May 22 2013 15:20 GMT
#8639
I also think Chelsea are favorites next season. Not a good description of United's team this year though.

Those two games prove Lindegaard is shit, little more. De Gea has been the main keeper for most of the season so this is not an issue. Also let's not forget City lost to Norwich the same weekend United drew West Brom, league was already over and had been over for weeks. Chelsea was still playing for the 3rd spot.

United won the league because, for most of the season while the team was healthy, they won their matches. The losses started coming after Cleverley and almost every winger on the team all went down at the same time. This does bring up an actual issue, which is that Carrick and Cleverley is the only reliable midfield partnership on the team. That needs to be fixed. We lost games where Giggs had to play CM just like we lost those games last season. This season SAF was just smart enough to not do that when it wasn't necessary [edit - nothing wrong with playing Scholes and Giggs however much they like once the title was clinched. Like SAF they are legends who have built the team from mediocrity to dominance]

Other factors for the title win:
* De Gea, both his improvement and securing the regular starting spot
* RVP consistent goal scoring, particularly in the early season when Utd established a lead
* Rafael's overall improvement
* return of Vidic
* Carrick improving his play, and the development of a consistent partnership with Cleverley who provides the energy/mobility he lacks
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 15:43:27
May 22 2013 15:43 GMT
#8640
On May 23 2013 00:15 daSilvaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 22:14 bObaZ wrote:
Silva, I don't want to start a war here. And i'm not a melonhead. Being sad is different that having a melon for a head... But i understand the comment. I didn't even said anything offensive on my comment and i underlined the fact that i'm a Benfica Fan... I didn't even said that porto had doping i only said that reports exist... Don't be so dramatic!

On Topic, I think Enzo have probably a 25-30M clause (i'm not sure) and the problem with Benfica Strikers is that they're Old... Cardozo os 28 or 29 and Lima is 30...

And Ysellian, i've never hear about that player... And there's no mention to him in Benfica Foruns so it might be the dutch media.

If u didnt want to flame Porto then u would have talked about ur own club, wich evidence is quite stronger that ours in that regard, but obviously its easier to talk about us like all benfica supporters do...we are the worst of the worst, the devil himself pales before our power and benfica is the sweetest angel in heaven....spare me please
And dont be too ofended regarding the mellonhead, its just a funny way to make fun of u guys

There was the Nuno Assis case in 2006, yes. I don't know of any evidence beyond that about doping in Benfica in football.

About Porto being evil, yes it is. There's just undeniable and overwhelming evidence about Porto buying out referees and picking the referees for the games. There's undeniable and overwhelming evidence about Porto management running prostitution rings. There's undeniable evidence that the corruption extends to the police and judicial system in the north of Portugal. Hell, Porto players can run over people and kill people, escape the scene, be proven guilty in court, but get away without a sentence.

No doubt from a results perspective, Porto is an extraordinary success from 1985-now, whereas Benfica is a case study of incompetence up until recently. However, if there arises any evidence for corruption at the level described above involving Benfica's current management, the only moral and right thing for me to do would be to boycott the club until it's clean.

Sorry for other people in the thread with no interest in Portuguese clubs.
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